Thailand's sex workers petition to decriminalise prostitution

[fredwiggy]

16 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

They're gone for good matey, when you give women choices they never choose family values.

Don't get out much eh? In all fairness, my wife herself doesn't understand family values , as she's been taught by a narcissist how to be one. If you understand the disease, it's far more prevalent than you or anyone can imagine, unless you've both been the victim of it and study it. Yet there are still men and women that believe in family values. I know this because I'm one of them, and have quite a few family members and friends that are also.

Edited September 24, 2020 by fredwiggy

[micmichd]

1 hour ago, fredwiggy said:

Funny how the weirdos stick together and assume they know what others are doing in their lives. Hypocritical to admit paying for most of the women in your life, and all of those here, and then say someone has bought a Thai wife just because they pay for everything. And labeling someone religious because they believe in God. Speaking out against prostitution because it's a degrading, objectifying, disease carrying occupation is necessary to start the elimination of it, and getting people back to family values, the loss of which is the slow destruction of our planet. Sex is a God given pleasure, to be shared between two people that love each other and are faithful. It isn't prudish to suggest that sex has been degraded to a slimy act for usually a man's pleasure, and that millions of unwanted children are created from the act. Even if you aren't a believer in God, anyone with any sense can see it's the cause of the main problem on earth. Overpopulation. Sex is a beautiful thing, but those that lower it to an act where someone is used, abused, degraded, or seen as an object for their pleasure are very disturbed individuals. Consensual sex outside of marriage isn't the problem. And instead of being a coward, come out and say to whom you are referring. There are quite a few "foreign religious guys" here, but you and a few others are the only ones that are buying women wholesale.

Say, you never understood Kamasutra, did you? 

[BritManToo]

51 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

Yet there are still men and women that believe in family values. I know this because I'm one of them, and have quite a few family members and friends that are also.

I also believe in family values, but sadly NO women believe in them.

It doesn't matter what we males think or want, because the women won't play ball.

Traditional family is finished, it doesn't matter what we (white men) want, we have no say in the matter, and if we try to have a say our governments will stamp on us with the full force of the law, strip us of all our assets, and possibly our freedom.

 

So as I can't have what I want, I'll just settle for banging hookers and getting drunk every night.

And use my financial advantage to leverage a poor young farm girl into my bed every night.

Edited September 24, 2020 by BritManToo

[micmichd]

59 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

Don't get out much eh? In all fairness, my wife herself doesn't understand family values , as she's been taught by a narcissist how to be one. If you understand the disease, it's far more prevalent than you or anyone can imagine, unless you've both been the victim of it and study it. Yet there are still men and women that believe in family values. I know this because I'm one of them, and have quite a few family members and friends that are also.

Thai men and women believe in family values, even if they're utterly poor. I live in one, and now they're getting richer. 

One thing is embarrassing : you talk about Thai women all the time. Did it ever come to your mind there's Thai men in this country? 

[Lacessit]

1 hour ago, BritManToo said:

They're gone for good matey, when you give women choices they never choose family values.

I also long for the good old days, where you could marry a woman and impregnate her until she died.

Saw a Mormon family at immigration of Friday, Young guy, his wife, and their 6 kids, a year between them, I'd be up for that. 

Unfortunately, you'd also have to be up for believing in something you can't see, feel or hear. The pagans have it all over the Christians in that respect. Although many Christians would  indignantly deny a considerable proportion of their rituals are borrowed from pagans.

[fredwiggy]

Just now, micmichd said:

Thai men and women believe in family values, even if they're utterly poor. I live in one, and now they're getting richer. 

One thing is embarrassing : you talk about Thai women all the time. Did it ever come to your mind there's Thai men in this country? 

Of course, and I've met some good ones. Ones that work hard for their families and don't cheat or abuse. Sadly, that's a minority.

[micmichd]

4 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

Of course, and I've met some good ones. Ones that work hard for their families and don't cheat or abuse. Sadly, that's a minority.

But they're getting more and more. Here in the Dark Side of Pattaya they are. The EEC in Chonburi empowers them. The once poor Issan farmers now get paid jobs, too. 

[fredwiggy]

2 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

I also believe in family values, but sadly NO women believe in them.

It doesn't matter what we males think or want, because the women won't play ball.

Traditional family is finished, it doesn't matter what we (white men) want, we have no say in the matter, and if we try to have a say our governments will stamp on us with the full force of the law, strip us of all our assets, and possibly our freedom.

 

So as I can't have what I want, I'll just settle for banging hookers and getting drunk every night.

And use my financial advantage to leverage a poor young farm girl into my bed every night.

As I've said, I know quite a few that do believe in family values. Hundreds over the course of my lifetime. On average ,7 out of 10 American males cheat on their mates, and here it's probably 8 or more. Women 5 out of 10 and here 6 or more. Pretty sad excuses for human beings. When you've been hurt by women, thinking is they all are bad, but our bad choices make us think that way, and it's not like that at all. There are some good wives here as well as in every other country, but things are getting worse every year, with more and more narcissists coming out and more greed. I still have hope though, even though my own choices have hurt both me and my children. I'm still alive, and maybe yet it will come to me. You give up and you always lose. Taking the easy way out isn't for me, as I have a little one that needs me for at least 15 more years. My ex wife was horrendous, yet my daughter is doing very well as a mother to two daughters, and her husband is a man I'm proud of. They are doing well. My ex didn't teach my children much besides lying, deception and hurt, and one daughter is paying the price for that because she lives close to my ex, and the mojo rubbed off. Sad state of affairs our world is at, and to me, as a believer, see this as the beginning of the end. That's another reason I have faith, because this sh*t world isn't getting any better. but I still believe there are good men and women out there.

[BritManToo]

Just now, fredwiggy said:

but I still believe there are good men and women out there.

You keep saying 'men and women', but I've never really believed men are the problem.

And you openly admit in 2 of your 3 marriages it was 'mentally ill' women that were the problem.

[fredwiggy]

Just now, BritManToo said:

You keep saying 'men and women', but I've never really believed men are the problem.

And you openly admit in 2 of your 3 marriages it was 'mentally ill' women that were the problem.

Fact. And not embarrassed in the least. Bad choices but children made. Men and women ,ones that are taught to hate and deceive, are the problem.

[BritManToo]

Just now, fredwiggy said:

Fact. And not embarrassed in the least. Bad choices but children made. Men and women ,ones that are taught to hate and deceive, are the problem.

But what if, they weren't your 'bad choices' and most women are like that, so any choice you made would have been 'bad'?

[Andy from Kent]

On 9/22/2020 at 9:07 PM, elliss said:

Sadly , i am tarred with the same brush ,

as you sex pats who visited Thailand for sex with lady , younger more .

My wife , is 5 years my elder ..

What do we have in common ?, 

No sex , no conversation ...

Thx , TV forum , and Kindle ..555

 

 

 

Clearly a marriage made in heaven.    Heavy readers.

 

[elliss]

2 hours ago, BritManToo said:

They're gone for good matey, when you give women choices they never choose family values.

I also long for the good old days, where you could marry a woman and impregnate her until she died.

 

 

 Wow , what a man ..

    You still on porns movies ?,  or have you been banned, again ...555

[Raphael Hythlodaeus]

Why do we have to "legalize" or "regulate" a normal activity (like it or not)? We don't need a licence to breath air (yet). Just get the illegal code off the statute book. Less government is better government.

[Raphael Hythlodaeus]

5 hours ago, Acharn said:

sixty-year-old woman with an eye patch and a wooden leg you could find her in the Thermae

Is she still there? Remember the old Thermae vividly -- you had to walk past disgusting toilets to get to the basement -- the new Thermae was invaded by the Japs (is it still open?). But I don't recollect a hassle with the military in the 60s, except for the curfew when the cheapskates like me went to the Grace "coffee shop."

[bristolgeoff]

Pattaya is empty no tourist allowed.short time hotel in the village will be busy for thais.The bar workers would like it to be legal but i think that will never happen.They don,t worry about illegal or legal they just get on with it doing what have they done for decades

[Raphael Hythlodaeus]

8 hours ago, Raphael Hythlodaeus said:

hassle with the military in the 60s

I should have said 70s-- not that old (quite).

[BritManToo]

9 hours ago, elliss said:

Wow , what a man ..

    You still on porns movies ?,  or have you been banned, again ...555

Never seen the point of porn, when you can hire a girl to do all that stuff with you.

Porn is for guys without options.

[fredwiggy]

10 hours ago, BritManToo said:

But what if, they weren't your 'bad choices' and most women are like that, so any choice you made would have been 'bad'?

Falling in love too fast, before you really get to know someone, is a bad choice, because you can't spot mental illnesses or a narcissist unless you spend time with them. A narcissist looks for good people, love bombs them at the beginning, letting you think you have found your soulmate, the best thing in your life, and over time, after they have taken everything from you they need, they then begin to devalue you, and go on to other supplies they think they can use. I have been with many women over the years, leaving because things just weren't right, or values, morals, or future plans weren't the same. Sometimes, children are born from a relationship, and you do what you think is right and stay with the mother, but nothing will change a narcissist. Some mental illnesses can be treated, like bipolar and depression, and things can improve. A narcissist isn't a brain chemical disorder but a learned behavior. They are abused and/or neglected as children by their primary caretakers, leaving them to believe that they don't matter, that no one loves them. They take that hurt and anger into adulthood, and use it against the people they need the most. But not every woman is like this. They all get moody because of hormones and are usually more emotional thinkers than men, but they still are stable. Not every choice you can make is bad.

[BritManToo]

Just now, fredwiggy said:

But not every woman is like this.

Not every choice you can make is bad.

Yes, they are.

Choosing to marry is always a mistake.

[fredwiggy]

Just now, BritManToo said:

Yes, they are.

Choosing to marry is always a mistake.

Then having two parents that love and are loyal to each other isn't the best choice for the children? Or should they all grow up in broken homes, letting them believe that it would be normal and a good choice? Not understanding that the breakdown of the family and it's values are the reason the world is falling down. I thought you said you were for family values. How can this be if you don't get married?

[BritManToo]

1 minute ago, fredwiggy said:

Then having two parents that love and are loyal to each other isn't the best choice for the children? Or should they all grow up in broken homes, letting them believe that it would be normal and a good choice? Not understanding that the breakdown of the family and it's values are the reason the world is falling down. I thought you said you were for family values. How can this be if you don't get married?

I understand the difference between 'how the world is', and 'how I would like to world to be'.

And how no amount of begging an imaginary 'higher being' will change anything.

 

I'm making the best out of it.

Edited September 25, 2020 by BritManToo

[fredwiggy]

2 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

I understand the difference between 'how the world is', and 'how I would like to world to be'.

And how no amount of begging an imaginary 'higher being' will change anything.

 

I'm making the best out of it.

God gave us this world and free will. Man has chosen to hurt, destroy and neglect the world and each other. We didn't follow his rules and we are paying the price. I know you aren't a believer but maybe it's just the right time to adjust your thinking, because it's not getting any better. Begging God to fix the problems we've made isn't going to work. He left it up to us. Man can fix this world but the only way that will happen is making family values a priority so we can teach the next generation the right way, and to eliminate those that are destroying the earth's resources for greed. Off topic but then again, this is a part of the problems we have.

Edited September 25, 2020 by fredwiggy

[BritManToo]

4 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

maybe it's just the right time to adjust your thinking, because it's not getting any better.

This is why prostitution should be legal ............ not originally written by me, but I'm in total agreement.

 

First - relationships with today's women, under today's conditions, are not worth it. Relationships have always taken up huge amounts of time and money, but now they cost more: legal liability, alimony and CS (how many guys do you now who have been through the wringer?); and deliver less: women can't keep house, can't raise a family, are self-centred and entitled. Sure, today's women make a living, but so what? So do I. Sure they're "strong and independent" - how is that a benefit to a long term relationship? Today's women doesn't know how to wife and wouldn't do it even if she did. The only thing, the sole, singular, only thing today's man needs, wants, or can realistically get from today's woman is sex. Buying the cow is a worse deal now than it ever was.

Second - once you get realistic and opt out of relationships, or at least marriage, suddenly you need so much less money and have so much more time. You don't need a house. You don't need a pussy-magnet car. You don't need holidays at resorts. And with that need done away with, all of the things that you needed in your life to get more money become redundant. You don't need a suit. You don't need to spend hours a day commuting to two jobs. You don't need to socialise with people you despise.

There's domino effect once you give up on the now-unattainable dream of marrying up a good woman and living in a loving, lifelong family household. It's not that these things aren't great, it's that they are not in the offing anymore.

Let's be realistic. The sensible thing is to admit "defeat", and Go Your Own Way.

[micmichd]

7 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

This is why prostitution should be legal ............ not originally written by me, but I'm in total agreement.

 

First - relationships with today's women, under today's conditions, are not worth it. Relationships have always taken up huge amounts of time and money, but now they cost more: legal liability, alimony and CS (how many guys do you now who have been through the wringer?); and deliver less: women can't keep house, can't raise a family, are self-centred and entitled. Sure, today's women make a living, but so what? So do I. Sure they're "strong and independent" - how is that a benefit to a long term relationship? Today's women doesn't know how to wife and wouldn't do it even if she did. The only thing, the sole, singular, only thing today's man needs, wants, or can realistically get from today's woman is sex. Buying the cow is a worse deal now than it ever was.

Second - once you get realistic and opt out of relationships, or at least marriage, suddenly you need so much less money and have so much more time. You don't need a house. You don't need a pussy-magnet car. You don't need holidays at resorts. And with that need done away with, all of the things that you needed in your life to get more money become redundant. You don't need a suit. You don't need to spend hours a day commuting to two jobs. You don't need to socialise with people you despise.

There's domino effect once you give up on the now-unattainable dream of marrying up a good woman and living in a loving, lifelong family household. It's not that these things aren't great, it's that they are not in the offing anymore.

Let's be realistic. The sensible thing is to admit "defeat", and Go Your Own Way.

I would never marry a woman who cannot stand on her own feet by working. Workers make contracts, you know. And even bargirls or sex workers are workers. All Empower Foundation wants is respect as workers. That's why I support them. 

Because I was a poor worker once, and then all of a sudden made career in bank IT. At the age of 50, until I retired. 

Besides that I 'm an orphan, with no bondages to Germany whatsoever, expect the money that I already worked for.

I never had a real family in Germany, only scroungers around. Fortunately my Thai family aren't scroungers but workers who all can stand on their own feet now and are not dependent on me. And that's a good base to marry the (female) boss of my new family now - also on a contractual base.  

And my Thai lady is everything else but an alimony scrounger like so many German women are. She was even faithful when she worked in a bar occasionally, and was bashed as a "lesbian" when she refused to go to bed with any Farang that wanted her. <deleted>, she was simply faithful. 

 

But, what can I say? 

Everybody is different. 

[brewsterbudgen]

6 hours ago, micmichd said:

I would never marry a woman who cannot stand on her own feet by working. Workers make contracts, you know. And even bargirls or sex workers are workers. All Empower Foundation wants is respect as workers. That's why I support them. 

Because I was a poor worker once, and then all of a sudden made career in bank IT. At the age of 50, until I retired. 

Besides that I 'm an orphan, with no bondages to Germany whatsoever, expect the money that I already worked for.

I never had a real family in Germany, only scroungers around. Fortunately my Thai family aren't scroungers but workers who all can stand on their own feet now and are not dependent on me. And that's a good base to marry the (female) boss of my new family now - also on a contractual base.  

And my Thai lady is everything else but an alimony scrounger like so many German women are. She was even faithful when she worked in a bar occasionally, and was bashed as a "lesbian" when she refused to go to bed with any Farang that wanted her. <deleted>, she was simply faithful. 

 

But, what can I say? 

Everybody is different. 

Yes.  Everyone's lady is "different" ????

[micmichd]

1 hour ago, brewsterbudgen said:

Yes.  Everyone's lady is "different" ????

Yes, and I'm different, too. Together we are a good team. 

[elliss]

13 hours ago, BritManToo said:

Never seen the point of porn, when you can hire a girl to do all that stuff with you.

Porn is for guys without options.

Absolutely Correct , Sir ..

 May , i  humbly add a  ride her. 

Porn , is for guys , not living in Thailand ..

 

[elliss]

12 hours ago, micmichd said:

I would never marry a woman who cannot stand on her own feet by working. Workers make contracts, you know. And even bargirls or sex workers are workers. All Empower Foundation wants is respect as workers. That's why I support them. 

Because I was a poor worker once, and then all of a sudden made career in bank IT. At the age of 50, until I retired. 

Besides that I 'm an orphan, with no bondages to Germany whatsoever, expect the money that I already worked for.

I never had a real family in Germany, only scroungers around. Fortunately my Thai family aren't scroungers but workers who all can stand on their own feet now and are not dependent on me. And that's a good base to marry the (female) boss of my new family now - also on a contractual base.  

And my Thai lady is everything else but an alimony scrounger like so many German women are. She was even faithful when she worked in a bar occasionally, and was bashed as a "lesbian" when she refused to go to bed with any Farang that wanted her. <deleted>, she was simply faithful. 

 

But, what can I say? 

Everybody is different. 

 

 However that said .

  I do prefer the Lady , who is  more comfortable , in the Horizontal position ..

 

 

[CANSIAM]

On 9/22/2020 at 5:03 PM, ChipButty said:

Does that mean all the office workers have to register as being on the game?

 

On 9/22/2020 at 5:32 PM, BritManToo said:

Almost all women worldwide have other boyfriends these days, it's just the way life has become.

I don't mind because now I've learned to have other girlfriends as well.

You'll survive Thailand....lol