1 hour ago, animalmagic said:

The EU, albeit in a German controlled fascist form, would have come into existence approximately 80 years ago were it not for America's intervention; and Britain standing alone against the subjugation and control of Europe by one nation.

So, then something else than The EU, would have come into existence approx. 80 years ago. Because you just posted that fact, the rest of your reply just lost it´s foundation.

Edited September 23, 20205 yr by Matzzon

It's the EU that needs to stop playing games. All this level playing field nonsense. First it was "pay 38 Billion or No Deal". Now it's "fishing and level playing field or No Deal". If we agree to that, next it will be "10 Billion a year or No Deal".

 

Well guess what. Fool me (Theresa May) once shame on you. Fool me twice shame on me. We've played your games long enough and it's clear you don't want a fair balanced FTA. So No Deal it is. Hopefully we'll be withholding the remaining divorce payments as well since they've made no real effort to reach a deal since that was agreed.   

 

Let's just go WTO and keep fishing, remove the ECJ jurisdiction once and for all, make our own state aid rules as we see fit, do trade deals with whomever we want. We'll be collecting a lot more in tariffs on EU goods than the EU will on UK goods. As RookieScot said, that's "free money" ????, and we'll be free to spend it as we see fit, never having to ask the EU for permission again. That's what I voted for, before anyone asks. 

1 hour ago, Tippaporn said:

I'm German but rooting for the U.K. in this game.  Is that O.K.?  The match has already been won so it's perfectly good strategy to let the clock wind down.

 

 

Nice quote from Herberger. Certainly applies to dealing with the EU on just about anything.

Trolling meme removed.  

 

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2020/09/11/brexit-deal-standoff-could-happen-next-20-days/

Brexit deal standoff: What could happen before the end of the month? 
With UK-EU relations at an all-time-low, the stakes are high 

By James Crisp, Brussels Correspondent 
23 September 2020 • 1:52am 

 

 

 

The European Union has imposed a deadline of the end of the month for Boris Johnson to withdraw provisions in the Internal Markets Bill that renege on the Withdrawal Agreement and break international law - or face the consequences. 

The British Government is adamant it will do nothing to change the provisions, which disapply parts of the Brexit divorce treaty relating to subsidies and export checks on goods travelling from Britain to Northern Ireland if there is a no deal. 

Meanwhile, the UK-EU trade negotiations will continue - but show no signs of finding a way to bridge the divides between the two entrenched sides. The trade deal must be finished by the end of October,  according to the EU, and by October 15, according to the Prime Minister. 
With UK-EU relations at an all-time-low what could happen next?

Edited September 23, 20205 yr by david555

5 minutes ago, david555 said:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2020/09/11/brexit-deal-standoff-could-happen-next-20-days/

Brexit deal standoff: What could happen before the end of the month? 
With UK-EU relations at an all-time-low, the stakes are high 

By James Crisp, Brussels Correspondent 
23 September 2020 • 1:52am 

 

 

 

The European Union has imposed a deadline of the end of the month for Boris Johnson to withdraw provisions in the Internal Markets Bill that renege on the Withdrawal Agreement and break international law - or face the consequences. 

The British Government is adamant it will do nothing to change the provisions, which disapply parts of the Brexit divorce treaty relating to subsidies and export checks on goods travelling from Britain to Northern Ireland if there is a no deal. 

Meanwhile, the UK-EU trade negotiations will continue - but show no signs of finding a way to bridge the divides between the two entrenched sides. The trade deal must be finished by the end of October,  according to the EU, and by October 15, according to the Prime Minister. 
With UK-EU relations at an all-time-low what could happen next?

Divorces.  Such messy affairs.

 

The European Union has imposed a deadline of the end of the month for Boris Johnson to withdraw provisions in the Internal Markets Bill that renege on the Withdrawal Agreement and break international law - or face the consequences.

 

You'll never see the kids again.

7 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

Divorces.  Such messy affairs.

 

The European Union has imposed a deadline of the end of the month for Boris Johnson to withdraw provisions in the Internal Markets Bill that renege on the Withdrawal Agreement and break international law - or face the consequences.

 

You'll never see the kids again.

So at last the pool stays clean ….. always pi%#ing in the water ….???? pesky little critters ….!

Edited September 23, 20205 yr by david555

Better to leave wit no deal and then in a year or so have a deal that can be negotiated properly,

17 hours ago, Loiner said:

The whole family is leaving you. We’re like that, blood is thicker than water and family comes first. Unruly kids sulking again but what else is new?

And as a proud nationalist of Little Britain´s family, you´ll be riding it out in - wait, Thailand?

I guess it´s all worth it as long as the Polish nurses and plumbers no longer take away jobs from all the English family members who don´t want these jobs.

35 minutes ago, maqui said:

And as a proud nationalist of Little Britain´s family, you´ll be riding it out in - wait, Thailand?

I guess it´s all worth it as long as the Polish nurses and plumbers no longer take away jobs from all the English family members who don´t want these jobs.

As a proud British patriot my given locale at any particular point in time has no influence on my opinion.

 

English family members who don't want jobs as nurses and plumbers??? Surely you jest, or have never been to the UK because you obviously have no idea. At least our departure will ensure there is no second wave of EU job thieves and freeloaders, as their own economies disintegrate under additional covid and EU support costs. 

9 hours ago, Matzzon said:

Yes, and everything you UK is getting more expensive. One country lose many other, or many other lose one country. Easy to see where the hurt is going to be.

However, What taxes= I live in Thailand since over 20 years back in time. How do you figure my taxes will increase?

 

Last but not least. Even if the pound is still worth a quid in your little world that is shrinking everytime Boris take a breath, why would I want to but a currency that has lost about 50% of it´s value?

I'm afraid your interpretation of currency economics is not proven by the UK's case over the past four years. Despite the Remainer histrionics about the pound, there was very little impact on the economic growth. You would have been hard pressed to find your hurt in the UK. Maybe you have a touch of referred pain?

 

If you have lived in Thailand over 20 years and don't pay EU taxes, why are you even vaguely interested in the Brexit out come? Simply Brit bashing? That you personally don't pay tax is neither here nor there, but many EU citizens will have to from now on. 

 

You are not a currency trader who works on the Warren Buffet principle then? Buy low, sell high. I think that's where most of the fluctuations originate from.  

12 minutes ago, Loiner said:

As a proud British patriot my given locale at any particular point in time has no influence on my opinion.

 

English family members who don't want jobs as nurses and plumbers??? Surely you jest, or have never been to the UK because you obviously have no idea. At least our departure will ensure there is no second wave of EU job thieves and freeloaders, as their own economies disintegrate under additional covid and EU support costs. 

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/if-all-the-immigrants-go-back-who-will-work-in-the-meat-factories-and-do-the-<deleted>-jobs-1.4178908

 

You mean: other British patriots are waiting in line to happily take low-wage jobs for low-skilled workers, but unpatriotic employers prefer foreigners?

 

Additional covid costs? I´m not sure any countries will have a reason to gloat during the fall and winter season. But Trump-of- the-Thames´s covid crisis management seems to be on a par with Trump-of-Mar-a-Lago's.

 

7 minutes ago, maqui said:

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/if-all-the-immigrants-go-back-who-will-work-in-the-meat-factories-and-do-the-<deleted>-jobs-1.4178908

 

You mean: other British patriots are waiting in line to happily take low-wage jobs for low-skilled workers, but unpatriotic employers prefer foreigners?

 

Additional covid costs? I´m not sure any countries will have a reason to gloat during the fall and winter season. But Trump-of- the-Thames´s covid crisis management seems to be on a par with Trump-of-Mar-a-Lago's.

 

You said nurses and plumbers, which you have now twisted to meat packers or something. There's a big difference there. Low wage jobs? Well why are they still low waged - is it because of the low skilled EU wage slaves?

 

Covid? Can you find a bigger graphic, cos I can't read that one. Does it mean that the EU payouts to 27 countries won't increase the burden on a few contributing nations, or will the EU make them all pay back their own country costs plus plus? The UK won't be subsidizing them all this time.

7 minutes ago, Loiner said:

You said nurses and plumbers, which you have now twisted to meat packers or something. There's a big difference there.

Can you explain the big difference?

Meatpackers and farm workers will still be welcome in the Little Britain you envision? So there are low-paying jobs which British patriots would prefer to leave to immigrants, just not nurses and plumbers? Is there a comprehensive patriotic list of sh*t jobs for which foreigners may apply and pay taxes?

Meanwhile, do you pay taxes, as a patriot, to support Boris' government in its effort to free Britain from EU subjugation, from your chosen country of residence? Or you leave it to the tax-paying foreign nurses, plumbers and meatpackers? 

20 hours ago, Matzzon said:

Yes, of course. Naturally a group like EU is shaking because one country is making problems. ???? Time to stop live on old war stories. Oh, by the way, you would never had made it without America anyway.

Well the main war was in Russia

19 hours ago, 86Tiger said:

Also, there would be a great number of nations speaking german today if not for "America."

more  like  Russian Id  wager

17 hours ago, Matzzon said:

Yeah, bye bye. Good Luck with the pound by the way...... 

Outlasted the Franc Lira  Mark Peseta etc etc????

13 minutes ago, bodga said:

Outlasted the Franc Lira  Mark Peseta etc etc????

"Yes, and today we even get more Pounds for 1 Euro than 5 years ago. We showed it to them EU foreigners and the economic serfdom from which Boris will liberate us!"

20 minutes ago, maqui said:

Can you explain the big difference?

Meatpackers and farm workers will still be welcome in the Little Britain you envision? So there are low-paying jobs which British patriots would prefer to leave to immigrants, just not nurses and plumbers? Is there a comprehensive patriotic list of sh*t jobs for which foreigners may apply and pay taxes?

Meanwhile, do you pay taxes, as a patriot, to support Boris' government in its effort to free Britain from EU subjugation, from your chosen country of residence? Or you leave it to the tax-paying foreign nurses, plumbers and meatpackers? 

If you don't know the difference between plumbers & nurses to meat packers, you should not be trying to engage in this type of conversation.

As a foreigner you could probably apply for as many sh*t jobs as you like. There's not going to be the same opportunities for you now in the UK.

Yes, I happily pay my taxes to free Britain from the EU. I hate the parts that are hived off to the EU and frittered away. Would you like to know about my Conservative party donations too?

3 minutes ago, Loiner said:

If you don't know the difference between plumbers & nurses to meat packers, you should not be trying to engage in this type of conversation.

Please enlighten me

13 minutes ago, maqui said:

Please enlighten me

Then get back to me.

5 minutes ago, Loiner said:

As a foreigner you could probably apply for as many sh*t jobs as you like. There's not going to be the same opportunities for you now in the UK.

That´s the main purpose? Not the same opportunities for dirty farangs, uh, foreigners?

If this is based on some blood-and-soil ideology of true British-born citizens, will liberal (as opposed to conservative) Brits still be welcome in your Britain? Whereas conservative foreigners must stay away?

I´m trying to understand the little tribal compartments that define your Us vs. Them.  Not political leanings, but a birth certificate stamped by a government bureaucrat in some country or other? The dividing line can´t be "cultural similarity to Us" because liberal Brits support EU subjugation of Britain's economic freedom, so, unlike you, they are unpatriotic.

Just now, maqui said:

That´s the main purpose? Not the same opportunities for dirty farangs, uh, foreigners?

If this is based on some blood-and-soil ideology of true British-born citizens, will liberal (as opposed to conservative) Brits still be welcome in your Britain? Whereas conservative foreigners must stay away?

I´m trying to understand the little tribal compartments that define your Us vs. Them.  Not political leanings, but a birth certificate stamped by a government bureaucrat in some country or other? The dividing line can´t be "cultural similarity to Us" because liberal Brits support EU subjugation of Britain's economic freedom, so, unlike you, they are unpatriotic.

Yeah, something like that.

The next to leave will be Italy ,just wait and see

6 minutes ago, Loiner said:

Yeah, something like that.

Yeah, it´s always the dirty foreigners who hide around the corner of patriotic free enterprise vs economic serfdom

21 hours ago, Matzzon said:

Yes, of course. Naturally a group like EU is shaking because one country is making problems. ???? Time to stop live on old war stories. Oh, by the way, you would never had made it without America anyway.

What an absolute load of <deleted> we would never have made it without America...you my son are a dreamer. Great Britain has never needed america .

 

Where would we have never made it without america.

 

As to your comment about the EU shaking you are quite correct with all the Bale out money it has to pay tor EU countries that can do nothing for themsleves. GB has just started the penny rolling and it will come tumbling down around the EU just give it time.

Edited September 23, 20205 yr by stretch5163
change in though

4 minutes ago, bert bloggs said:

The next to leave will be Italy ,just wait and see

That would be excellent because of ..?

If Scotland leaves the Disunited Kingdom, that would be good as Italy leaving the EU because these Northern hill people are foreigners who don´t speak Queen´s English? If London, which voted against Brexit, votes for leaving the DUK, that would be good because London is peopled by unpatriotic city slickers, not true Brits?

In the end, true freedom can only be attained by tightly knit little hill forts as proven by conservative Iron Age Britain? What if you dislike the neighbors in your particular hillfort? Probably you can´t apply for a job as meatpacker or nurse in one of the other little hillforts?   

4 minutes ago, bert bloggs said:

The next to leave will be Italy ,just wait and see

 

The Brexit situation is certainly a mess as per today.

 

No country wish to have to endure something similar nowadays.

 

Starting next year, concrete developments should be noticeable,

or than not.

If after a few years  the outcome is been proving positive,

other countries may wish to leave as well.

 

It is also possible that in a few years the E.U. is no more the E.U. we knows today, it may also " evolve ".

 

28 minutes ago, maqui said:

Yeah, it´s always the dirty foreigners who hide around the corner of patriotic free enterprise vs economic serfdom

The EU’s actions with the UK over the past 40+ years kinda confirms that for you. 

1 hour ago, maqui said:

That´s the main purpose? Not the same opportunities for dirty farangs, uh, foreigners?

If this is based on some blood-and-soil ideology of true British-born citizens, will liberal (as opposed to conservative) Brits still be welcome in your Britain? Whereas conservative foreigners must stay away?

I´m trying to understand the little tribal compartments that define your Us vs. Them.  Not political leanings, but a birth certificate stamped by a government bureaucrat in some country or other? The dividing line can´t be "cultural similarity to Us" because liberal Brits support EU subjugation of Britain's economic freedom, so, unlike you, they are unpatriotic.

Unfortunately for a lot of Breixteers it is about Blood and Soil nationalism. Its all about immigration. They try and hide it behind phrases and buzzwords like sovereignty but its always there.