1 hour ago, nemo38 said:

 

There will be an effort to contest the election.

 

No doubts about that, since the orange one has made it pretty clear already

 

https://finance.yahoo.com/video/trump-refuses-commit-peaceful-transfer-170030292.html

 

Trump refuses to commit to a peaceful transfer of power

35 minutes ago, PatOngo said:

No, some narcissistic clown won the college vote and beat her to it, although she won the popular vote!

Why are you posting an insult to the President of the United States of America? May I ask how the American President effects your life personally? What personal stake you have in who the President of the USA is, to such a degree it seems that you post insult after insult? You did not have anything to say in your post other then an insult at the President, and an evident disagreement with the way our Republic functions. The popular vote is not how we elect Presidents. So please tell me why you think that is of importance to you. Do you have a better political system where you hail from? If so please do tell me about it. Perhaps I will begin to see your point of view and I will tell all of my fellow Americans all about it. Perhaps we will find your idea enlightening and the word will spread into a nationwide movement for a new Amendment to our constitution to change our electoral system to one of your liking. So go ahead I am all ears. What is this all about for you?

1 minute ago, Susco said:

 

No doubts about that, since the orange one has made it pretty clear already

 

https://finance.yahoo.com/video/trump-refuses-commit-peaceful-transfer-170030292.html

 

Trump refuses to commit to a peaceful transfer of power

There is a national effort by the left to cast doubt upon our election.   As for peaceful transfer of power, Donald Trump has no choice in the matter.  What he is speaking of is that he is acutely aware that he believes that his opponents will stoop to any level of dishonesty to take this election. However, once a winner is declared by competent authority in the USA, which in the final case, if so needed, would be the Supreme Court, Donald J Trump would step down IF he was declared to have been the loser. It is really that simple, despite all of the non-simple court room arguments, and vote re-counting, that may take place. In the end a victor will be declared. Hopefully, I say hopefully, (I say hopefully but the democrats do not) the winner will be determined clearly in a landslide that prevents all the potential for court room battles.

May I ask why it is that you do not like Donald J Trump as the President of the United States of America? What particular policies of his effect you - in wherever land where you hail from? What particular course of action do you see the USA taking under the Presidency of Donald Trump that you are opposed to?  What is driving your train?

 

9 minutes ago, Damual Travesty said:

Why are you posting an insult to the President of the United States of America? May I ask how the American President effects your life personally? What personal stake you have in who the President of the USA is, to such a degree it seems that you post insult after insult? You did not have anything to say in your post other then an insult at the President, and an evident disagreement with the way our Republic functions. The popular vote is not how we elect Presidents. So please tell me why you think that is of importance to you. Do you have a better political system where you hail from? If so please do tell me about it. Perhaps I will begin to see your point of view and I will tell all of my fellow Americans all about it. Perhaps we will find your idea enlightening and the word will spread into a nationwide movement for a new Amendment to our constitution to change our electoral system to one of your liking. So go ahead I am all ears. What is this all about for you?

Since you're asking pointed questions, how about one for you.  How can you support a lying, corrupt conman like Trump?  The man has no morals and only cares about himself.  Isn't that a negative reflection of who YOU are? 

At funeral.

 

impolite people.

7 minutes ago, Yinn said:

At funeral.

 

impolite people.

Just following trumps lead.

4 minutes ago, Yinn said:

At funeral.

 

impolite people.

Not usual for people to be disrespectful during a funeral but this is unusual times and an unpopular President who himself on numerous occasions have been very disrespectful of people and trampled on decency.  

31 minutes ago, Damual Travesty said:

Who you? Are you threatened by the right of the people of the USA to bear arms?

Not me, I have no intention to ever visit America!

20 minutes ago, Berkshire said:

Since you're asking pointed questions, how about one for you.  How can you support a lying, corrupt conman like Trump?  The man has no morals and only cares about himself.  Isn't that a negative reflection of who YOU are? 

Don't you have to back up serious allegations with proof on here?

2 minutes ago, Orton Rd said:

24 minutes ago, Berkshire said:

Since you're asking pointed questions, how about one for you.  How can you support a lying, corrupt conman like Trump?  The man has no morals and only cares about himself.  Isn't that a negative reflection of who YOU are? 

Don't you have to back up serious allegations with proof on here?

I have noticed that Trump supporters make serious allegations all the time with zero proof. 

3 hours ago, Nout said:

Disgraceful

Agreed! He wears a damn mask next to a person who is dead, yet refuses to wear one around the living..

 

Trump- The leading cause of death in the United States....by choice   All preventable, negligent homicide

31 minutes ago, Berkshire said:

Since you're asking pointed questions, how about one for you.  How can you support a lying, corrupt conman like Trump?  The man has no morals and only cares about himself.  Isn't that a negative reflection of who YOU are? 

Your question to me contains an assertion - several that I do not agree with, as well as a deflection. I will answer you - perhaps you can answer me in your next response. I do not see Donald Trump as lying or corrupt, or a conman. I do not hold any of those opinions that you have. So the short answer is we do not share the same opinions on the man.

 

Now going back to my original questions which you sidestepped for what reason I can't image but let's assume that he was all of those things you say. How would that effect you as someone who does is not a Citizen of the United States? What particular actions does he take that you are opposed to because of their effect upon your or your country. One more time, what is your motivation here?  If you are afraid to answer I guess I understand. 
 

Notice my post here contains no insult. Unlike yours.

30 minutes ago, Damual Travesty said:

There is a national effort by the left to cast doubt upon our election.   As for peaceful transfer of power, Donald Trump has no choice in the matter.  What he is speaking of is that he is acutely aware that he believes that his opponents will stoop to any level of dishonesty to take this election. However, once a winner is declared by competent authority in the USA, which in the final case, if so needed, would be the Supreme Court, Donald J Trump would step down IF he was declared to have been the loser. It is really that simple, despite all of the non-simple court room arguments, and vote re-counting, that may take place. In the end a victor will be declared. Hopefully, I say hopefully, (I say hopefully but the democrats do not) the winner will be determined clearly in a landslide that prevents all the potential for court room battles.

May I ask why it is that you do not like Donald J Trump as the President of the United States of America? What particular policies of his effect you - in wherever land where you hail from? What particular course of action do you see the USA taking under the Presidency of Donald Trump that you are opposed to?  What is driving your train?

 

I agree that he has no say in the matter right now but bit by bit is trying to tear away at the foundations of democracy by continually saying the election will be rigged and hobbling independent thinking.

Just because he has no say in the matter now doesn't mean people should applaud when he keeps saying that he may not accept the outcome of the election. Do you hear Joe Biden or prominent democrats making such claims about the election.

I am not saying he is Hitler, but as an extreme example Hitler belittled democracy, confused people, blamed the elites and minorities for the countries woes, until one day there wasn't a democracy. People laughed at Hitler till it was too late.

Trump's own party is scared to speak up against him and he hobbles independent thinkers following science - just look at the CDC.

So to respond to your last point I worry he is undermining relationships between democracies, standing up for tyrants, lying about the coronavirus and climate change and a 100 other things that can affect my future though I am from Australia.

 

12 minutes ago, Berkshire said:

I have noticed that Trump supporters make serious allegations all the time with zero proof. 

The only allegation the poster made was too another poster's character (mine) . Am I to provide proof as to my own character. These posts are getting more and more ridiculous by the minute. And evidently its quite OK to insult the character of others here when the discuss opinions that are in opposition to the main.

Piercing his bubble.

Definitely a good thing. 

There is little doubt that he wore a mask which he almost never does to hide his reaction to any possible noises from the real world which he so rarely encounters. By design.

 

I wouldn't be very surprised if he seeks asylum in a country that doesn't extradite in the case if the American people can manage to remove this toxic "president" from office. 

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/09/24/brief-moment-trump-comes-face-to-face-with-political-reality/

 

For a brief moment, Trump comes face-to-face with political reality

Edited September 25, 20205 yr by Jingthing

43 minutes ago, Damual Travesty said:

There is a national effort by the left to cast doubt upon our election.   As for peaceful transfer of power, Donald Trump has no choice in the matter.  What he is speaking of is that he is acutely aware that he believes that his opponents will stoop to any level of dishonesty to take this election. However, once a winner is declared by competent authority in the USA, which in the final case, if so needed, would be the Supreme Court, Donald J Trump would step down IF he was declared to have been the loser. It is really that simple, despite all of the non-simple court room arguments, and vote re-counting, that may take place. In the end a victor will be declared. Hopefully, I say hopefully, (I say hopefully but the democrats do not) the winner will be determined clearly in a landslide that prevents all the potential for court room battles.

May I ask why it is that you do not like Donald J Trump as the President of the United States of America? What particular policies of his effect you - in wherever land where you hail from? What particular course of action do you see the USA taking under the Presidency of Donald Trump that you are opposed to?  What is driving your train?

 

I think it just astounds so many foreigners that you have such a deplorable, vain, narcissistic, ignorant,

serial liar as a president.

We have a buffoon in the UK too, bumbling u-turn Johnson, but he can't hold a candle to the crass Trump.

47 minutes ago, Yinn said:

At funeral.

 

impolite people.

Trump only went to the funeral because he feel he has to, she went to Trumps inauguration in 2017.

Trump hated her and everything she stands for. The republicans are HAPPY she died at this moment because Trump gets to now ram through a new supreme court justice in the greatest act of hypocrisy imaginable. When the last SCOTUS judge died 8 months before the 2016 election  Republican senate blocked Obama picking a new one because "it was an election year". Now it is 2 months and it is OK

 

Trump did not go to Rep. John Lewis funeral, despite all other living presidents attending except Carter ( too old and frail to travel during covid) recently because Lewis snubbed his inauguration and Trump completely  disparaged him. Trump wasn't impressed. 

 

Trump will only be re-elected now because he will now select RBGs replacement, a right-wing ideologue and political activist who will legislate from the bench. The election will be decided by a stacked bench of 6-3. Millions of people will lose basic rights. A disaster for LGBTq and women is coming to US either way.

 

The impolite people--there is a lot of anger against Trump, 200,000 dead and climbing and Trump is about to be re-elected again although he will lose the popular vote by millions and millions , AGAIN.

 

Edited September 25, 20205 yr by Captain Monday

1 hour ago, Susco said:

 

No doubts about that, since the orange one has made it pretty clear already

 

https://finance.yahoo.com/video/trump-refuses-commit-peaceful-transfer-170030292.html

 

Trump refuses to commit to a peaceful transfer of power

LOL.  It's so apparent that the Dems strategy is precisely that . . . contest the election.  But to shift the focus off of them they do what they allows do . . . accuse their opponent of doing exactly what they're doing.  What do you think the Transition Integrity Project is about?  Why did Biden recruit 600 lawyers?  Why the extreme push for mail-in ballots to everyone?

 

Information warfare . . . create a false narrative, get everyone to repeat it endlessly, and fiction becomes reality (at least for some people).

 

Edited September 25, 20205 yr by Tippaporn

3 minutes ago, Fat is a type of crazy said:

am not saying he is Hitler, but as an extreme example Hitler belittled democracy, confused people, blamed the elites and minorities for the countries woes, until one day there wasn't a democracy. People laughed at Hitler till it was too late.

For someone who is not saying that Trump is Hitler you sure make a lot of comparisons of Trump to Hitler. To those who know what I mean, mark this as another one of those strange uses of language I have been speaking of.

 

Now back to you, Donald J Trump has been given the responsibility by his position and circumstance of having to nominate a new Justice to the Supreme Court. Some would say this is divine providence. Others not. In any event, the task will be carried out in accordance with the law of the Republic and a nomination will be made. The Senate controlled by the President's party will confirm a nominee and we will have a new Justice. It is actually, when looked at over the course of some 250 years, a routine matter. Blessed with such a solid foundational document inspired by great wisdom, that is what is going to happen. Exactly. No one doubts. Donald Trump does not blame minorities, he has lifted them. Unlike his Conservative predecessors he is gaining black and Latino voters.

 

  As for Hitler, he represented a rise of totalitarianism which declared absolute disdain for the existing Republic that existed in Germany at the time. Democratic norms were a roadblock to him. He had an army of violent supporters who rioted and burned the streets of Germany prior to his taking power. He was anti Jewish and had strong anti-jewish supporters as his followers, he was not one who had Jews within his own family or who was friendly to aspirations of Jews. He was supported by the Arabs of Palestine at the time. Hitler was certainly not a victim of the bureaucracy of Germany, on the contrary he controlled it, as well as controlled the Press. All of it.

 

 

If we are to make comparisons Hitler, say about 1936, I would look at the rise of a totalitarian power in this world, one in which has begun to make claims of vast swaths of territory which has been rejected by international law, one which is building its military steadily, and threatening its neighbours on several of its borders. One which just like Germany or Imperial Japan only contained one Party, and appears more militaristic by day.

17 minutes ago, Damual Travesty said:

Your question to me contains an assertion - several that I do not agree with, as well as a deflection. I will answer you - perhaps you can answer me in your next response. I do not see Donald Trump as lying or corrupt, or a conman. I do not hold any of those opinions that you have. So the short answer is we do not share the same opinions on the man.

 

Now going back to my original questions which you sidestepped for what reason I can't image but let's assume that he was all of those things you say. How would that effect you as someone who does is not a Citizen of the United States? What particular actions does he take that you are opposed to because of their effect upon your or your country. One more time, what is your motivation here?  If you are afraid to answer I guess I understand. 
 

Notice my post here contains no insult. Unlike yours.

Firstly, I am an American.  And I hate what Trump is doing to my country.  The division, the corruption, the endless lying, not to mention destroying the environment, as well as our reputation around the world.  I can go on and on, but I know you don't care about any of that.  I don't just want Trump out of office, I want him in prison for a lifetime of criminality.  Is that clear enough for you? 

26 minutes ago, Fat is a type of crazy said:

I agree that he has no say in the matter right now but bit by bit is trying to tear away at the foundations of democracy by continually saying the election will be rigged and hobbling independent thinking.

Just because he has no say in the matter now doesn't mean people should applaud when he keeps saying that he may not accept the outcome of the election. Do you hear Joe Biden or prominent democrats making such claims about the election.

I am not saying he is Hitler, but as an extreme example Hitler belittled democracy, confused people, blamed the elites and minorities for the countries woes, until one day there wasn't a democracy. People laughed at Hitler till it was too late.

Trump's own party is scared to speak up against him and he hobbles independent thinkers following science - just look at the CDC.

So to respond to your last point I worry he is undermining relationships between democracies, standing up for tyrants, lying about the coronavirus and climate change and a 100 other things that can affect my future though I am from Australia.

 

Yes. 

He cares about nothing except himself and his business empire.

He cares nothing about the American people in general or the continued survival of American democracy. 

Democracy is fragile. Many countries never had it or have lost it.

Red alert for American democracy. 

 

 

15 minutes ago, Damual Travesty said:

For someone who is not saying that Trump is Hitler you sure make a lot of comparisons of Trump to Hitler. To those who know what I mean, mark this as another one of those strange uses of language I have been speaking of.

 

Now back to you, Donald J Trump has been given the responsibility by his position and circumstance of having to nominate a new Justice to the Supreme Court. Some would say this is divine providence. Others not. In any event, the task will be carried out in accordance with the law of the Republic and a nomination will be made. The Senate controlled by the President's party will confirm a nominee and we will have a new Justice. It is actually, when looked at over the course of some 250 years, a routine matter. Blessed with such a solid foundational document inspired by great wisdom, that is what is going to happen. Exactly. No one doubts. Donald Trump does not blame minorities, he has lifted them. Unlike his Conservative predecessors he is gaining black and Latino voters.

 

  As for Hitler, he represented a rise of totalitarianism which declared absolute disdain for the existing Republic that existed in Germany at the time. Democratic norms were a roadblock to him. He had an army of violent supporters who rioted and burned the streets of Germany prior to his taking power. He was anti Jewish and had strong anti-jewish supporters as his followers, he was not one who had Jews within his own family or who was friendly to aspirations of Jews. He was supported by the Arabs of Palestine at the time. Hitler was certainly not a victim of the bureaucracy of Germany, on the contrary he controlled it, as well as controlled the Press. All of it.

 

 

If we are to make comparisons Hitler, say about 1936, I would look at the rise of a totalitarian power in this world, one in which has begun to make claims of vast swaths of territory which has been rejected by international law, one which is building its military steadily, and threatening its neighbours on several of its borders. One which just like Germany or Imperial Japan only contained one Party, and appears more militaristic by day.

Fair discussion. As I was saying I used Hitler as an extreme example regarding the particular and specific point of he himself saying he may not accept the outcome of the election, and the way he hobbles the free thinkers around him,  and people just yawning like it's another Trump comment or action.

You replied on my most controversial point but didn't on other points, such as why someone outside the US might be concerned about Trump. I'll take it that  you can see my point on those issues.    

Edited September 25, 20205 yr by Fat is a type of crazy

3 hours ago, PatOngo said:

 

Although shouts of "lock her up" about Hillary" are ok, you shallow, one eyed bimbo!

At which funeral was that shouted?

17 minutes ago, Berkshire said:

Why?  Hillary Clinton is not running for President.  What has Joe Biden said about it? 

He's recruited 600+ lawyers.

 

USA Today - 'If it's close – watch out': Biden says he has 600 lawyers ready to fight election 'chicanery' by Trump

 

The entirety of the Dems and MSM are claiming with a unified voice that Trump plans to steal the election and this article purports the reason for Biden's 600 lawyers is to prevent that.  All without any concrete evidence that Trump intends to steal the election.

 

It's simply a narrative, that's all it is.  It's purpose is clear.  To make people believe it's "real" when in fact if there's any evidence at all to suggest election stealing it points to the Dems.

 

Edited September 25, 20205 yr by Tippaporn

11 minutes ago, Fat is a type of crazy said:

Fair discussion. As I was saying I used Hitler as an extreme example regarding the particular and specific point of he himself saying he may not accept the outcome of the election, and the way he hobbles the free thinkers around him,  and people just yawning like it's another Trump comment or action.

You replied on my most controversial point but didn't on other points, such as why someone outside the US might be concerned about Trump. I'll take it that  you can see my point on those issues.    

Hilary Clinton has told Biden to ignore the election results if he loses and never cede to Trump. But that's ok I guess.

3 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Trump supporter suddenly thinks decency is an issue.

The entire argument about the Supreme Court seems to come down to one issue alone: The potential that a Supreme Court leaning conservative may overturn ROE V WADE. I am of the belief that even a very conservative court would not do that, but that they may limit the scope of ROE. But that is not what the Democrats or even some Republicans believe.

 

Either way I do suppose it comes down to decency as the issue. Some believe that it is not decent to abort children. The reality of which are primarily black and brown children. While others believe this is a decent thing to do. All a matter of ones view of morality I suppose I am not going to attempt to debate one side or the other but the poster is correct. It does come down to decency in that regard.

 

As for the mechanics of it all, the Constitution of the USA is quite clear the President submits his nominee and the Senate can consent or not consent. Lucky for Donald J Trump the party that holds the Senate at this time - happens to be his own.  The decent thing for them to do is to approve the President's pick as they are holding their office because their conservative constituents put them there to do precisely that. To do otherwise would be a violation of the trust of the voters who put them in office and definitely not a decent thing to do.

1 minute ago, Nout said:

Hilary Clinton has told Biden to ignore the election results if he loses and never cede to Trump. But that's ok I guess.

Hilary is not in any position of power and has no say. What she says is not relevant.

Trump will have the last laugh when his conservative nominee gets seated on the court.

4 minutes ago, Sujo said:

7 minutes ago, Nout said:

Hilary Clinton has told Biden to ignore the election results if he loses and never cede to Trump. But that's ok I guess.

Hilary is not in any position of power and has no say. What she says is not relevant.

Whether she's relevant or not isn't the point being made.  The point is that no one on the left condemns her for saying it.  Lord help you if you can't see the hypocrisy and bias.

 

Edited September 25, 20205 yr by Tippaporn

3 minutes ago, Sujo said:

Hilary is not in any position of power and has no say. What she says is not relevant.

Some would argue, perhaps not you, that Hillary Clinton is someone who has tremendous clout within the Democrat party, and that when she speaks it becomes national news. Again, maybe not you.