How to get around a password on a laptop?

[Eindhoven]

16 hours ago, potless said:

I had leant towards the reply that the O.P. wrote in post 8 regarding the 300 baht option, ie  just to get the computer up and running. I did some scans on a second hand computer that a friend had bought. The Malwarebytes scan threw up over 30 red flags including pirate software and a variety of Trojans. In hindsight, I should have made it clear what post I was referring to and hence my "scans" post may have made more sense perhaps.

 

What 300 baht option? To pay 300 baht for a local technician to install Windows 10 over the top of the original owner's data? If they did that, there still would be no need for virus scans, as the format will have deleted it all.

But why would they spend 300 baht, when they can remove the password for free?

 

[potless]

1 hour ago, Eindhoven said:

What 300 baht option? To pay 300 baht for a local technician to install Windows 10 over the top of the original owner's data? If they did that, there still would be no need for virus scans, as the format will have deleted it all.

I was unaware that a technician would have to "install Windows 10 over the top of the owners original data." Thanks for your input. 

[Eindhoven]

1 hour ago, potless said:

I was unaware that a technician would have to "install Windows 10 over the top of the owners original data." Thanks for your input. 

 

To remove the password(unethical), one can do it yourself with the tool to which I linked in post #48.

Absolutely no reason why you need to take it somewhere and pay 300 baht to do exactly the same thing.

But as I stated earlier, removing the password from a stranger's laptop is absolutely unethical; no question about it.

Remove and replace with an SSD.

[Andy from Kent]

On 9/25/2020 at 5:43 PM, Eindhoven said:

 

https://pogostick.net/~pnh/ntpasswd/

 

Of course this is for local accounts. If it's a Microsoft password, you'll need to deal with Microsoft.

 

 

Sorry,  Of course a Microsoft password.

 

I guess Microsoft finally beats the hackers at their own game.    555

 

[ChipButty]

16 minutes ago, Eindhoven said:

 

To remove the password(unethical), one can do it yourself with the tool to which I linked in post #48.

Absolutely no reason why you need to take it somewhere and pay 300 baht to do exactly the same thing.

But as I stated earlier, removing the password from a stranger's laptop is absolutely unethical; no question about it.

Remove and replace with an SSD.

Thats what I plan to do, Cheers

[Eindhoven]

19 minutes ago, Andy from Kent said:

 

 

Sorry,  Of course a Microsoft password.

 

I guess Microsoft finally beats the hackers at their own game.    555

 

 

You can retrieve your data then format....if it's your PC.

[fdsa]

On 9/25/2020 at 5:48 PM, Eindhoven said:

Ongoing issues? What are you talking about??

google:// how to open efs encrypted folder if forgot password

 

On 9/25/2020 at 5:48 PM, Eindhoven said:

Find my computer? Please...just stop.

google:// computrace how to lock stolen computer

google:// intel amt how to lock computer remotely

 

On 9/25/2020 at 5:48 PM, Eindhoven said:

Similarly your story concerning BIOS passwords. It really seems as if you just made it all up.

 google:// why removing cmos battery does not clear bios password on laptop

[Eindhoven]

12 hours ago, fdsa said:

google:// how to open efs encrypted folder if forgot password

 

google:// computrace how to lock stolen computer

google:// intel amt how to lock computer remotely

 

 google:// why removing cmos battery does not clear bios password on laptop

 

Why are you quoting my post with this entirely irrelevant information? 

What has any of your suggested Google searches have to do with the OP? 

 

NONE of it has any relevance.

 

I was replying to this post:

 

Quote

To be clear if its a software password, you will encounter ongoing issues regardless of password programs etc, better off to spend 300 +- Baht and get it reformatted, and of course it may be that the previous owner had "Find my Computer" installed and if so he  may have by internet instructed the computer to be blocked as such.

 

Finally if it is a "BIOS" password then that cannot be beaten virtually by anyone (unless jumped and most do not understand how to do this in Thailand)  and even reformatting will not change this password.

 

 

No mention of EFS encrypted folder and it makes no difference anyway.

No mention of Computrace/Absolute, but Microsoft's 'Find My Computer'.

No mention of Intel AMT.

CMOS battery has no correlation to anything that I wrote.

 

So please, don't waste my time asking me to go search Google for queries that I don't need, nor did I ask.

 

[fdsa]

 

5 hours ago, Eindhoven said:

Why are you quoting my post with this entirely irrelevant information? 

 

I'm just showing that you pretend to be a expert while being not. Example google queries are for other users of this forum to learn new things, not for experts who already know everything.

 

And for the people who don't know everything yet I'll clarify:

 

On 9/25/2020 at 5:48 PM, Eindhoven said:

Ongoing issues? What are you talking about??

- It IS possible to get problems with files/folders/programs after removing the password, regardless of it being EFS or Bitlocker or one of a million other programs intended to lock data or applications with a password.

 

On 9/25/2020 at 5:48 PM, Eindhoven said:

Find my computer? Please...just stop.

- it IS possible to find/lock computer remotely, regardless of being it "Find my computer" or Computrace or Lenovo Thinkpad's stuff, forgot its name, or whatever else remote access program installen in the laptop's BIOS.

 

On 9/25/2020 at 5:48 PM, Eindhoven said:

Similarly your story concerning BIOS passwords. It really seems as if you just made it all up.

- it's NOT "made up" because formatting the hard drive will not clear the BIOS password exactly as that guy said, and I noted that laptops do not clear BIOS passwords as big computers do.

 

[JackSinclair]

Apologies if slightly off topic :-)

Having just read this thread and the potential problems.

It frightens me as that due to declining memory with old age - Windows can deny me access my own property (desktop + laptop).

Could any one suggest how I can get rid of the whole log in thing completely?  Something that would not change with the constant Win 10 updates?

[Eindhoven]

18 minutes ago, JackSinclair said:

Apologies if slightly off topic ????

Having just read this thread and the potential problems.

It frightens me as that due to declining memory with old age - Windows can deny me access my own property (desktop + laptop).

Could any one suggest how I can get rid of the whole log in thing completely?  Something that would not change with the constant Win 10 updates?

 

 

Are you signing in via a Microsoft account or are you using the older style local account login, as with Windows 7, Vista, XP et al?

[Eindhoven]

44 minutes ago, fdsa said:

 

 

I'm just showing that you pretend to be a expert while being not. Example google queries are for other users of this forum to learn new things, not for experts who already know everything.

 

And for the people who don't know everything yet I'll clarify:

 

- It IS possible to get problems with files/folders/programs after removing the password, regardless of it being EFS or Bitlocker or one of a million other programs intended to lock data or applications with a password.

 

- it IS possible to find/lock computer remotely, regardless of being it "Find my computer" or Computrace or Lenovo Thinkpad's stuff, forgot its name, or whatever else remote access program installen in the laptop's BIOS.

 

- it's NOT "made up" because formatting the hard drive will not clear the BIOS password exactly as that guy said, and I noted that laptops do not clear BIOS passwords as big computers do.

 

 

I'm going to reply to your post, even though I view it as utter irrelevant nonsense.

 

First of all, once again, no one is removing any password, they are removing the HDD completely. Perhaps you missed that in your excited hope of getting one up on me. At no point have I advocated removing the password on the laptop at all. Get it now?

 

Even if they did remove the password and per chance there was an issue with encrypted folders, again it matters not, since they don't want to access the data on the drive anyway. So totally irrelevant to even mention it.

 

Secondly, the laptop clearly hasn't been locked remotely, since the OP claims they are able to boot to a Windows login stage.

You seem to forget the the laptop is not stolen and the OP will happily hand it back if the owner claims it. He is already preserving the HDD untouched for this possible eventuality.

 

Thirdly, no one suggested there are not difficulties in removing a BIOS password, but dependent on the device, you may not even need to open the device to remove the password. I know, because this is one of my specialities, including firmware modification. But since there is no report of a BIOS password, again totally irrelevant.

You are simply polluting the thread with irrelevant details in the hope of looking knowledgeable.

 

I don't need to do that. I explain everything in the way that everyone can understand. No need for me to send people to Google to search for things that don't matter.

I hope this will put an end to any dialogue between you and myself. Otherwise it will look as if you are simply looking for an argument.

[ChipButty]

15 minutes ago, Eindhoven said:

 

I'm going to reply to your post, even though I view it as utter irrelevant nonsense.

 

First of all, once again, no one is removing any password, they are removing the HDD completely. Perhaps you missed that in your excited hope of getting one up on me. At no point have I advocated removing the password on the laptop at all. Get it now?

 

Even if they did remove the password and per chance there was an issue with encrypted folders, again it matters not, since they don't want to access the data on the drive anyway. So totally irrelevant to even mention it.

 

Secondly, the laptop clearly hasn't been locked remotely, since the OP claims they are able to boot to a Windows login stage.

You seem to forget the the laptop is not stolen and the OP will happily hand it back if the owner claims it. He is already preserving the HDD untouched for this possible eventuality.

 

Thirdly, no one suggested there are not difficulties in removing a BIOS password, but dependent on the device, you may not even need to open the device to remove the password. I know, because this is one of my specialities, including firmware modification. But since there is no report of a BIOS password, again totally irrelevant.

You are simply polluting the thread with irrelevant details in the hope of looking knowledgeable.

 

I don't need to do that. I explain everything in the way that everyone can understand. No need for me to send people to Google to search for things that don't matter.

I hope this will put an end to any dialogue between you and myself. Otherwise it will look as if you are simply looking for an argument.

Your points are right, I can start up the laptop to the login page,

I have had the laptop for almost 1 year just sat in the cupboard with no response from the owner

I was prepared to ship it back to them had he contacted me, No Luck with that,

I dont want to bypass their password it's their data not mine

Your idea of how to use it is the route I will take replace the HDD with a SSD,

Should the owner ever come back his laptop with the HDD is still here,

I have already spoken to this young guy I know who does computers and he will come to my house next week to do it,

Cheers,

CB

[Peterw42]

1 hour ago, JackSinclair said:

Apologies if slightly off topic ????

Having just read this thread and the potential problems.

It frightens me as that due to declining memory with old age - Windows can deny me access my own property (desktop + laptop).

Could any one suggest how I can get rid of the whole log in thing completely?  Something that would not change with the constant Win 10 updates?

Type netplwiz into the Search box, click on netplwiz run command, untick the box that says Users must enter a username and password to use this computer. 

When you click Apply it will prompt you for your current password. Enter it twice and you’re finished. The next time you reboot,  you’ll no longer need to type in a password. 

[ChipButty]

On a serious note I've not got a clue what is on that laptop could be allsorts put a new SSD have done with it 

 

Thats how Gary Glitter got caught took his computer to PC World I think, it was full of child porn

[RichCor]

10 minutes ago, ChipButty said:

On a serious note I've not got a clue what is on that laptop could be allsorts

...was just  about to postulate a 'reason' why the original owner is ignoring you. Doing a Drive and OS full out replacement is the right call, you're obviously too pretty for prison.

[Peterw42]

1 hour ago, ChipButty said:

On a serious note I've not got a clue what is on that laptop could be allsorts put a new SSD have done with it 

 

Thats how Gary Glitter got caught took his computer to PC World I think, it was full of child porn

I had a computer shop for many years back in Australia, I could write a book about the stuff that was on some of the computers that came in.

I still have nightmares about what was on a laptop that a Nun brought in.

Over the years I had a couple of computers come in that nobody ever came back to claim

[Eindhoven]

1 hour ago, ChipButty said:

Your points are right, I can start up the laptop to the login page,

I have had the laptop for almost 1 year just sat in the cupboard with no response from the owner

I was prepared to ship it back to them had he contacted me, No Luck with that,

I dont want to bypass their password it's their data not mine

Your idea of how to use it is the route I will take replace the HDD with a SSD,

Should the owner ever come back his laptop with the HDD is still here,

I have already spoken to this young guy I know who does computers and he will come to my house next week to do it,

Cheers,

CB

 

Brand name and model number of laptop? Will help to determine what kind of SSD it can accept or if it already has an SSD fitted. Full model number if possible.

[JackSinclair]

On 9/29/2020 at 8:53 AM, Eindhoven said:

 

 

Are you signing in via a Microsoft account or are you using the older style local account login, as with Windows 7, Vista, XP et al?

 

Thanks for the reply,  you look busy enough on here already !!

It's Win 10 and it's the desktop sign in after booting up.

It's not the microsoft password used for installing apps etc.

[Eindhoven]

4 hours ago, JackSinclair said:

 

Thanks for the reply,  you look busy enough on here already !!

It's Win 10 and it's the desktop sign in after booting up.

It's not the microsoft password used for installing apps etc.

 

Not just here ????

 

It seems that Peterw42 has helped you with this earlier.

You don't need to sign in to a Microsoft account to install Apps, AFAIK. They suggest it, but you can decline. I do.

[teacherclaire]

On 9/25/2020 at 10:12 AM, Peterw42 said:

Thats really just an unnecessary expense, the laptop already has a hardisk, its just a matter of removing the password.

The only problem I have with such posts is that it might not be true what the OP wrote and wants to have access to something that isn't for him. 

 

       Sorry, my opinion. I know how to do it, but would only do that for people I know. 

 

   

 

   

[Angrybirds]

I also have colleagues who use Windows 10. According to their experience, Windows passwords can be cracked by the password reset disk. Generally speaking, when they buy a computer, they will prepare a reset disk for the computer.

[stouricks]

On 9/29/2020 at 5:06 PM, Eindhoven said:

 

Brand name and model number of laptop? Will help to determine what kind of SSD it can accept or if it already has an SSD fitted. Full model number if possible.

Will a 2.5 inch SSD of any make or capacity fit into and work with any laptop or PC?

To determine whether or not an SSD is already fitted, put your ear to it on boot up, or while running.

[Angrybirds]

In fact,it's not that troublesome, just bypass the Windows login password,Command prompt is a good way to crack passwords.I prefer professional password cracking tools,list some good free software.

http://www.chntpw.com/download/

https://trinityhome.org/trinity_rescue_kit_download/

https://www.passgeeker.com/bypass-windows-10-8-7-password.html

Just download and install on the computer and then start them.They will detect the computer and find the blocked account, then crack the password.