Biden campaign tees up Trump tax issue on eve of first debate

[thaibeachlovers]

1 minute ago, Berkshire said:

Yes, and the leaders of these US companies don't support Trump.  They support Biden.

 

[A staggering 77% of business leaders polled by Yale say they plan to vote for Joe Biden over Trump in the November election. That's despite Biden's proposals to hike tax rates on both corporations and the high-income households.]

[Eighty-four percent of business leaders surveyed by Yale say the Trump administration's response to the crisis has hurt, not helped, their businesses.]

[On trade, 62% of executives said their businesses suffered from unfair trade practices in China. Yet a greater percentage -- 78% -- say the Trump administration's policies made US-China relations worse.]

 

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/09/29/business/ceos-endorse-joe-biden/index.html

 

Never mind. They only have one vote each.

[Morch]

1 hour ago, BobBKK said:

which is why vast majority do not say... you guys shame them for their choice instead of convincing them to change. It's all part of the well honed liberal pc righteous spin but it's totally divisive.

 

Again with the "vast majority" nonsense? There was no vast majority voting for Trump in 2016. There was no vast majority for Republicans in 2018. There's no indication of any such vast majority other than in Trump supporters posts on here.

[Damual Travesty]

1 hour ago, J Town said:

Did you see the recent show "The Comey Rule?" It opened my eyes to the internal workings of the FBI and how, when running properly, they are an autonomous agency. I don't know enough about Wray to say whether or not he is a 45 sycophant, but I would bet he's not and may be allowed to stay on.

You are not implying that the FBI was run that way under Obama are you? A mountain of evidence is building that seems to say otherwise.

[Logosone]

5 minutes ago, Berkshire said:

Yes, and the leaders of these US companies don't support Trump.  They support Biden.

 

[A staggering 77% of business leaders polled by Yale say they plan to vote for Joe Biden over Trump in the November election. That's despite Biden's proposals to hike tax rates on both corporations and the high-income households.]

[Eighty-four percent of business leaders surveyed by Yale say the Trump administration's response to the crisis has hurt, not helped, their businesses.]

[On trade, 62% of executives said their businesses suffered from unfair trade practices in China. Yet a greater percentage -- 78% -- say the Trump administration's policies made US-China relations worse.]

 

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/09/29/business/ceos-endorse-joe-biden/index.html

 

Of course, and that's purely business. The beauty of America. Business knows that Trump's antagonising of China is bad for business. 

 

Every forex trader is praying for Biden to win because that would stop the news shocks that Trump brings with his tweets.

 

Biden would be preferable for US business that has to deal with China, that makes money with Forex. Trump, in many ways has been bad for business.

[Morch]

 

 

 

Of course, this is incorrect, and you're spreading misinformation, again:

 

Fact-check: Do donations to Black Lives Matter go to a ‘Democrat Super PAC’?

https://www.statesman.com/news/20200616/fact-check-do-donations-to-black-lives-matter-go-to-lsquodemocrat-super-pacrsquo

 

Donations to Black Lives Matter Group Don’t Go to DNC

https://www.factcheck.org/2020/06/donations-to-black-lives-matter-group-dont-go-to-dnc/

 

Link on Black Lives Matter website does not donate directly to DNC

https://apnews.com/article/9043930562

Edited September 30, 2020 by Morch

[Eric Loh]

43 minutes ago, Logosone said:

Not at all. America's prestige is still sky-high.

 

The dollar is the total boss in the Forex markets.

 

Kids from Bangkok to London to Paris to Caracas are watching US TV and dancing to US music.

 

The biggest companies in the world are still Apple, Google, Amazon, Facebook etc.

 

The most powerful military is still in the US.

 

People still dress wearing Nike, Jeans and Ralph Lauren.

 

What country on earth has more prestige than the US? None.

 

How has American prestige suffered? Because two candidates insult each other? Sensitive much?

Those were pre-Trump times. Went south since. 

[Logosone]

10 minutes ago, Eric Loh said:

Those were pre-Trump times. Went south since. 

No it's still the current times.

 

America's cultural influence is gigantic. Dress, music, TV, technology, software, social media, literature. 

 

There is no country on earth that has more cultural prestige, more cultural influence than the US.

 

How has America's influence or prestige gone south? It's as strong as ever. If anything even more so, even stronger, with the dominance of Amazon, Facebook and Google.

Edited September 30, 2020 by Logosone

[Morch]

2 hours ago, Tippaporn said:

I trust Wray slightly more than Comey.

 

Coming from someone who just yesterday alleged debt had nothing to do with security (as in security clearance, for example) issues, I don't know that your 'expert' views on FBI heads carries much weight.

 

And that's ignoring the penchant for insinuating conspiracies without supportive facts. 

[Damual Travesty]

35 minutes ago, Morch said:

 

Of course, this is incorrect, and you're spreading misinformation, again:

 

Fact-check: Do donations to Black Lives Matter go to a ‘Democrat Super PAC’?

https://www.statesman.com/news/20200616/fact-check-do-donations-to-black-lives-matter-go-to-lsquodemocrat-super-pacrsquo

 

Donations to Black Lives Matter Group Don’t Go to DNC

https://www.factcheck.org/2020/06/donations-to-black-lives-matter-group-dont-go-to-dnc/

 

Link on Black Lives Matter website does not donate directly to DNC

https://apnews.com/article/9043930562

The black lives matter organization is founded and run by avowed Marxists by their very own words. That is all I need to know about the organization and its aims and motives, despite anything that they would publicly say to the contrary. Now if you wish to say that I am incorrect about their founders, then please say so here and now. If you cannot say that, then my question is why are YOU standing up for such an organization which by their own admission are Marxists? I mean let's cut to the chase here.

Edited September 30, 2020 by Damual Travesty
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[Opl]

8 minutes ago, Logosone said:

No it's still the current times.

 

America's cultural influence is gigantic. Dress, music, TV, technology, software, social media, literature. 

 

There is no country on earth that has more cultural prestige, more cultural influence than the US.

 

How has America's influence or prestige gone south? It's as strong as ever. 

This is all beautiful but what about Trump's handling of the pandemic when it comes to the best Nation on the Planet with the best scientists in the world? 

Edited September 30, 2020 by Opl

[Morch]

2 hours ago, Tippaporn said:

Absolutely false.  Not only are they declared a terrorist organization by the U.S. but they organize events as well, as stated on their FB accounts.  Organizing anything takes organization.  Can you blame them for not publishing an org chart?  It's a great tactic to do so but the DOJ is on top of it.

 

Absolutely false, eh?

 

FBI director says antifa is an ideology, not an organization

https://apnews.com/article/donald-trump-race-and-ethnicity-archive-bdd3b6078e9efadcfcd0be4b65f2362e

 

As for being 'declared a terrorist organization by the U.S." - care to support this with anything? Yes, I know Trump said he will. Was it actually done? And if no, why? To head off expected nonsense, Trump saying so, Barr saying so - that's not it. An actual legal deceleration, no intentions to, not a proposed plan to. The real deal.

 

 

[Damual Travesty]

20 minutes ago, Morch said:

 

Again with the "vast majority" nonsense? There was no vast majority voting for Trump in 2016. There was no vast majority for Republicans in 2018. There's no indication of any such vast majority other than in Trump supporters posts on here.

I believe that the previous regarding "vast majority" was on a specific issue I did not read, but here you are tying that vast majority to a vast majority supporting Trump in the USA, and as of the last election, I would say I have to agree.

 

It is frightening to me that you are correct and that there is no vast majority for Trump in the USA. However, that may change with this election, I am not sure. I honestly am not sure as I put no faith into polls, and am uncertain as to the penetration of media in the USA and to the tools of suppression now being used by facebook and google against conservative views. None of this is currently measurable. 

 

I fear a Trump loss, the loss of the Senate, and fail to regain the house. I fear all of these things. That is not to say I think that is the way the election is going to go. It could be that The GOP takes all three. But I cannot say. If the GOP were to lose, it marks the end of the Republic of the USA as far as I am concerned. All who see the world as I do should fear such a prospect. There are many here - right here on this website - who wish to see that happen.  They have their reasons I know. God help us.

[Damual Travesty]

5 minutes ago, Opl said:

This is all beautiful but what about Trump's handling of the pandemic when it comes to the best Nation on the Planet with the best scientists in the world? 

Who are you using as a comparison?

[Damual Travesty]

2 minutes ago, Morch said:

 

Absolutely false, eh?

 

FBI director says antifa is an ideology, not an organization

https://apnews.com/article/donald-trump-race-and-ethnicity-archive-bdd3b6078e9efadcfcd0be4b65f2362e

 

As for being 'declared a terrorist organization by the U.S." - care to support this with anything? Yes, I know Trump said he will. Was it actually done? And if no, why? To head off expected nonsense, Trump saying so, Barr saying so - that's not it. An actual legal deceleration, no intentions to, not a proposed plan to. The real deal.

 

 

Have you ever heard of the term Front group, or Umbrella Group? As in a front group or name that exists with many smaller organizations behind it? You can trace the beginnings of Antifa with television appearances of members of the marxist members of The Revolutionary Communist Party of the USA - look them up. Christopher Wray Knows that. If I know it how could he not know it. I am not talking out my ass here you can see Sunsara Taylor on Youtube years ago talking about the Antifa "movement". On Fox news no less, on the Tucker Carlson show, or interviewed numerous times on the street. Yeah its a movement. 

[onthedarkside]

A series of posts, and replies to them, making/repeating false claims about Hunter Biden's military discharge and U.S. cities being burned by ANTIFA have been removed, along with other off-topic allegations.

 

Quote

 

“Hunter [Biden] got thrown out of the military. He was thrown out, dishonorably discharged for cocaine use.”

— Trump

Hunter Biden was discharged from the Navy Reserve after failing a drug test but he was not dishonorably discharged.

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/09/30/fact-checking-first-trump-biden-presidential-debate/

 

Quote

“Hunter got thrown out of the military. He was thrown out, dishonorably discharged for cocaine use,” Trump continued, even as Biden tried to interrupt, calling it “not true.” (Hunter Biden was discharged from the military, but not dishonorably.)

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/09/29/trump-beau-biden-presidential-debate-423417

 

[Morch]

1 hour ago, Logosone said:

That's not Trump supporters claiming that Biden was silenced, it's actually Biden's own supporting papers, witness CNN, the anti-Trump news outlet admitting that Biden was silent for much of the debate to the point of almost disappearing. Biden was silenced for much of the debate.

 

Yes of course Biden insulted Trump, interrupted Trump, that's normal for a presidential debate. That's not a problem. The problem is that Chris Wallace took Trump to task for it but not Biden. Clearly Wallace was partisan.

 

Sure Trump interrupted but so did Biden.

 

How do I know? Watch what viewer polls are saying about who won the debate. Forget "expert" commentators from big news outlets, look what the viewers said:

 

https://www.newsnationnow.com/politics/2020-debates/your-vote-who-won-the-first-presidential-debate/

 

Trump supporters on this forum aired such comments and celebrated them, you as well. If you think that 'debate' is about shouting over your rival's comments, speaking out of turn, ignoring moderator's words or being constantly rude and offensive, then sure - Trump's the President for you.

 

You seem to imply a faux expectation of Biden to emulate Trump. This was never going to happen. The two have different styles. You somehow appear to see it as a weakness adhering to rules, not bullying and not being overly rude. If so, then again, Trump's your man.

 

Biden's interruptions, insults and jibes were lightweight compared with Trump's conduct. One could say that Biden's conduct was more or less in line with how debates were usually conducted. Trump is the one taking things to a new low.

 

Got to love the faith Trump supporters show in polls when these go their way. No doubts, no questions, no 'issues', no allegations of conspiracies. How's about we wait a few days and see more results coming in before calling it?

[Morch]

1 hour ago, Logosone said:

Not at all. America's prestige is still sky-high.

 

The dollar is the total boss in the Forex markets.

 

Kids from Bangkok to London to Paris to Caracas are watching US TV and dancing to US music.

 

The biggest companies in the world are still Apple, Google, Amazon, Facebook etc.

 

The most powerful military is still in the US.

 

People still dress wearing Nike, Jeans and Ralph Lauren.

 

What country on earth has more prestige than the US? None.

 

How has American prestige suffered? Because two candidates insult each other? Sensitive much?

 

America's prestige is still high. Maybe the highest. Just not quite what it used to be. That's the point made. Not that America's prestige evaporated, but eroded. You wish to deny this? Go right ahead ignoring whatever doesn't fit.

[Morch]

48 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Never mind. They only have one vote each.

 

Guess paying attention to contest isn't your strongest suit.

[Morch]

45 minutes ago, Damual Travesty said:

You are not implying that the FBI was run that way under Obama are you? A mountain of evidence is building that seems to say otherwise.

 

Again with them unspecified, un-sourced, vague allegations and assertions. So far, at least on this forum and these topics, there's a mountain of BS of such.

[Morch]

33 minutes ago, Damual Travesty said:

The black lives matter organization is founded and run by avowed Marxists by their very own words. That is all I need to know about the organization and its aims and motives, despite anything that they would publicly say to the contrary. Now if you wish to say that I am incorrect about their founders, then please say so here and now. If you cannot say that, then my question is why are YOU standing up for such an organization which by their own admission are Marxists? I mean let's cut to the chase here.

 

The question is why you feel the need to deflect and troll.

 

My post was with regard to a false claim about how funds are supposedly channeled from BLM to the Democrats. You have nothing to say on the matter, but hijack my post in order to spew your usual brand of trolling and nonsense.

 

Firstly, I did not 'stand up' for anything, other than posting correct, factual information. Further, leaders identifying as Marxist does not make the organization as whole a Marxist one, nor does in convey the same label and ideology on all members.

[Berkshire]

2 minutes ago, Damual Travesty said:

I am a former military man retired. He failed a drug test and he was thrown out. The discharge most likely was not Dishonourable, as that is not the discharge given in such cases. Especially if your Father is the VP, never the less sir HE WAS THROWN OUT! Do not try to argue this point. HE WAS THROWN OUT! That is what happens when you are a man who is beyond the age of an Officer program and you are given a special dispensation to get into the program, and then you fail a drug test. HE WAS THROWN OUT. I think you need stop with fact checking to suit your narrative. It is true Trump and others here are incorrect about the discharge characterization but it take a bit to get a Dishonourable discharge , never the less HE WAS THROWN OUT OF THE USNR. End of story. that is the truth.

Well it's a good thing Hunter Biden's not running for President.  Speaking of running for President, why would Cadet Bonespurs (aka the guy who said "Military people who died in combat are suckers and losers!") be opining about anything related to the military?   

[Morch]

30 minutes ago, Damual Travesty said:

I believe that the previous regarding "vast majority" was on a specific issue I did not read, but here you are tying that vast majority to a vast majority supporting Trump in the USA, and as of the last election, I would say I have to agree.

 

It is frightening to me that you are correct and that there is no vast majority for Trump in the USA. However, that may change with this election, I am not sure. I honestly am not sure as I put no faith into polls, and am uncertain as to the penetration of media in the USA and to the tools of suppression now being used by facebook and google against conservative views. None of this is currently measurable. 

 

I fear a Trump loss, the loss of the Senate, and fail to regain the house. I fear all of these things. That is not to say I think that is the way the election is going to go. It could be that The GOP takes all three. But I cannot say. If the GOP were to lose, it marks the end of the Republic of the USA as far as I am concerned. All who see the world as I do should fear such a prospect. There are many here - right here on this website - who wish to see that happen.  They have their reasons I know. God help us.

 

You are being dishonest and disingenuous. This was discussed, with your participation, on past topics. So 'on a specific issue I did not read' is nonsense.

 

Your further comments about 'suppression' are dully noted. And laughed at. Coming from someone who routinely tries to stifle views on the basis of nationality and 'motivation' that's as bizarre as they come

 

Hopefully your fears regarding the election would be realized. As for the end of days scaremongering paranoid part - hogwash. Oh, and there is no god. We're on our own.

 

[Damual Travesty]

3 minutes ago, Morch said:

Firstly, I did not 'stand up' for anything, other than posting correct, factual information. Further, leaders identifying as Marxist does not make the organization as whole a Marxist one, nor does in convey the same label and ideology on all members.

Read this everyone. Leaders of an organization who identify as Marxist does not make the organization Marxist, nor should one presume that those in the organization share the same ideology. Kind of like being in the KKK or the Hitler youth. Not every one in the KKK should be considered a racist right? How deep does it go around here, and sure you are not standing up for them at all are you? It's obvious what you are about.

[Morch]

2 minutes ago, Damual Travesty said:

Read this everyone. Leaders of an organization who identify as Marxist does not make the organization Marxist, nor should one presume that those in the organization share the same ideology. Kind of like being in the KKK or the Hitler youth. Not every one in the KKK should be considered a racist right? How deep does it go around here, and sure you are not standing up for them at all are you? It's obvious what you are about.

 

Nonsense. Does Pence's religious beliefs, for example, imply all those serving under him are are the same? Does Trump's ideals (to the extent he got them) imply all on the Republican party are of one mind?

 

No, it is not the same like the KKK. The KKK had a specific ideology members subscribe to. I am not aware of BLM members required to subscribe to Marxist ideology. Most wouldn't even know what it was, let alone it's finer points.

 

Stop making bogus allegations please. I did not 'stand up' for anything, other than for facts over than nonsense.

[Damual Travesty]

Just now, Morch said:

 

You are being dishonest and disingenuous. This was discussed, with your participation, on past topics. So 'on a specific issue I did not read' is nonsense.

 

Your further comments about 'suppression' are dully noted. And laughed at. Coming from someone who routinely tries to stifle views on the basis of nationality and 'motivation' that's as bizarre as they come

 

Hopefully your fears regarding the election would be realized. As for the end of days scaremongering paranoid part - hogwash. Oh, and there is no god. We're on our own.

 

I don't stifle views about nationality or motivation I solicit them. And I have been doing a pretty good job of it lately. As for my scaremongering the prominent members of the Democrat party of the USA have threatened the following:

1. to pack the Supreme Court

2. Two dissolve the Electoral College

3. To end the filibuster

4. To institute decriminalization of the US Border

5.. To continue sanctuary cities

6. To End the US oil and gas industry

7.  To institute a MANDATORY Gun buy back program

8. To change course on Trump administration regarding China

9. to push for illegal voting at local level; and 16 year old voting on national level

10. De-funding of Police forces around the Country.

 

Frightening prospects all, and there is a God. And the effect of US policy on your country is? What is it that is providing the motivation for you?

[Damual Travesty]

1 minute ago, Morch said:

 

Nonsense. Does Pence's religious beliefs, for example, imply all those serving under him are are the same? Does Trump's ideals (to the extent he got them) imply all on the Republican party are of one mind?

 

No, it is not the same like the KKK. The KKK had a specific ideology members subscribe to. I am not aware of BLM members required to subscribe to Marxist ideology. Most wouldn't even know what it was, let alone it's finer points.

 

Stop making bogus allegations please. I did not 'stand up' for anything, other than for facts over than nonsense.

Your argument is that BLM, founded by Marxists, does not have Marxist aims, and that one should not consider those who are following such an organization to share the beliefs that the leaders promulgate. That is your position.

 

You are an enabler and a supporter. You are attempting to claim you are arguing against me while not having any beliefs of your own. What do you believe? What are you arguing about or in support of? What is your point?

[Damual Travesty]

16 minutes ago, Berkshire said:

Well it's a good thing Hunter Biden's not running for President.  Speaking of running for President, why would Cadet Bonespurs (aka the guy who said "Military people who died in combat are suckers and losers!") be opining about anything related to the military?   

He did not say that. And Hunter Biden has a father who is running for President. I suppose you believe that Hunter gets on an US Government Airplane with his Father to go to China or Ukraine and his daddy has zero idea of why his son is on the plane other then to enjoy a vacation? Is that your view? Seriously? Is it?

 

And Donald Trump did not say those words. The entire narrative you guys spin goes completely against the facts of the action of Donald Trump, that is obvious to all. You claim Trump a racist - but he has support among African Americans and Hispanics and in fact that support is rising. So the Democrat party stoops to the lowest common denominator and calls him a racist.

 

He is called a anti-semite despite Jews in the immediate family, and being the most pro-israel President in American history, he is called a war monger despite making peace. You never seem to stop.

 

 

[stevenl]

29 minutes ago, Damual Travesty said:

I am a former military man retired. He failed a drug test and he was thrown out. The discharge most likely was not Dishonourable, as that is not the discharge given in such cases. Especially if your Father is the VP, never the less sir HE WAS THROWN OUT! Do not try to argue this point. HE WAS THROWN OUT! That is what happens when you are a man who is beyond the age of an Officer program and you are given a special dispensation to get into the program, and then you fail a drug test. HE WAS THROWN OUT. I think you need stop with fact checking to suit your narrative. It is true Trump and others here are incorrect about the discharge characterization but it take a bit to get a Dishonourable discharge , never the less HE WAS THROWN OUT OF THE USNR. End of story. that is the truth.

So he was not dishonorably discharged, as was claimed. So the fact check was right, as are you, except for your criticism to justifyably removed posts.

[Neeranam]

1 hour ago, Morch said:

 

A Trump supporter concerned about propriety.

There's your example of an Anti-Trump supremacist. You brand all trump supporters together and think you are superior. 

[Damual Travesty]

3 minutes ago, stevenl said:

So he was not dishonorably discharged, as was claimed. So the fact check was right, as are you, except for your criticism to justifyably removed posts.

Not Dishonourably discharged. Trump was incorrect but he doesn't know a damn thing about the types of Discharges which are available in the US Military and he made an incorrect assumption - as he often does. However, I would definitely characterize his exit as being THROWN OUT. No doubt about it when someone pops positive on a urinalysis in an officer program that they were given a special dispensation to get into in the first place due to their age, and fail a urinalysis they are thrown out, and I would characterize that as a loss of HONOR despite no discharge saying that.

 

Now my question to you is why are you failing to see something ODD about a guy who is a failure in all things getting pumped full of millions of dollars from around the world? OR are you saying that none of that is true? Do you believe that his Father was unaware of these things, or that these things never happened. Which is it. And do you see Hunter Biden as being able to put together all of these lucrative deals all on his own? Because of his business prowess? "Come on man"

 

And what policy provisions of a Biden administration are you here to support?  What path do you see the USA taking under Biden that benefits you? Out there in ? Where is it again?  Anyway, why do you support Joe Biden? Policy? Can you respond without an insult to Trump ? - that's a test.