Trump slams Facebook, Twitter for taking down Biden story in NY Post

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1 minute ago, Damual Travesty said:

Why would you make such a deprecating statement about me? Why begin your comment by saying something so ridiculous as I have never heard of hacking or leaks? Look, let's get back to square one here. The emails, they are right now as we speak being verified by the parties who were involved with them. Meaning they are confirming they received the emails. That is one way that proves their validity. The other way is that there is information on the laptop, that Rudy is claiming could only be known to Hunter. Is that true? Maybe it is. Maybe it isn't. The lawyer asked for the lap top back. That does seem to indicate that the laptop was Hunter's. The signature, seems to be real. I assume a cursory handwriting analysis has been done. Of course experts can always conflict with each other in a court of law. A 3rd party has come forward, yes someone with an axe to grind, but a former business partner who has now allowed access to his account to the Washington Post. Are the emails he has real? Or did he fake them in an elaborate ruse timed to this - possible. But on the other hand the volume of what must be faked here is pretty huge, wouldn't ya say? And the DNI has stated HE had no evidence that this was a hoax, and maybe just maybe he like me has heard of hacking even though he does not read Wired.  Of course all of this could be put to rest rather quickly, Hunter Biden goes on Twitter, and says that even in his wildest crack smoking days he does not remember ever leaving this laptop there". Not even a denial, just a "I don't recall" statement, something to add to the obfuscation of the reality of all of this. Joe too, he can say again, "Look c'mon man", I wasn't involved in any of my son's business in any way. Most certainly I never got a percentage of anything". These are simple short statements that can be made. I assume that he is saving them for the debate in a carefully calibrated statement, if he is still in the race. But maybe this elaborate Russian/Republican hoax is about to be exposed!!!!!! Anything is possible right?

Because your comments have clearly taken no account of this practice. Instead you insist that because some documents are real, therefore the Bidens should answer. Not if this is a case of "tainted leaks."

[Damual Travesty]

1 minute ago, placeholder said:

What makes this all so nonsensical is that Joseph Biden has been in public life for 47 years and no evidence ever of financial shenanigans. Now at this late dates he's become a criminal?

Well that is not true, not true at all this surfaced in the Iraq reconstruction period with contracts going to his Brother who was not exactly carrying a building background. From 2012:

https://nypost.com/2012/10/23/crony-capitalism-joe-bidens-brother/

here is one from 2019 that discusses shenanigans from the 1970's good heavens it's from Mother Jones:

https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2019/11/biden-bankruptcy-president/

[Damual Travesty]

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Because your comments have clearly taken no account of this practice. Instead you insist that because some documents are real, therefore the Bidens should answer. Not if this is a case of "tainted leaks."

Well, if the Biden's choose not to answer. So be it. Maybe he will stay quiet as a Churchmouse and this whole thing will just blow over......but I doubt it.

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1 minute ago, Damual Travesty said:

Well that is not true, not true at all this surfaced in the Iraq reconstruction period with contracts going to his Brother who was not exactly carrying a building background. From 2012:

https://nypost.com/2012/10/23/crony-capitalism-joe-bidens-brother/

here is one from 2019 that discusses shenanigans from the 1970's good heavens it's from Mother Jones:

https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2019/11/biden-bankruptcy-president/

Nice try at the insinuation game. No hard evidence in either of these stories. Now maybe if Biden had declared a lower value of his properties to the IRS and a higher one to banks, something he's personally and clearly responsible for, you might have a better point. But really, if you want to play that game, Trump's candidacy should be knocked out of the box.

[candide]

9 minutes ago, Damual Travesty said:

Money laundering? Tax evasion? The selling of influence? I am not sure. So many to list. I think more is on the laptop that has not come out yet... wait stop me there... only speculating of course.  Maybe it's all already out.  A lot of this does depend on what happened when he was in office. If you arrange US policy, and receive money from that transaction, that must be some sort of crime, bribery? I mean surely more solid then trying to accuse the President of a bribe for looking into it? Complicated. I know it does not really matter to you, but as an American it turns my stomach. Are such things legal in your country?

So, if true, these documents don't incriminate Biden of any precise crime, only speculations. More is needed to predicate an investigation, in particular as:

- the deal with a Chinese company discussed in the May 2017 email is not something hidden. The company has been created and officially registered. Nothing suggests owning equity would be illegal. On top of it, if Joe is the big guy, he is mentioned with ? So it's not even sure he's been involved. Anyway, it's all written in the official registration documents. 

- abuse of power (quid pro quo). It was after Joe left office, as the other Chinese deals by Hunter. So he could not influence any public decisions. Unless proven otherwise, nothing has been observed when he was in office.

- Burisma? It has been debunked long ago. Nothing proves he effectively met the guy from Burisma. Even if he did, there is no evidence of abuse of power. It was a policy decision, Burisma was not investigated at that time, etc... Burisma also never received any benefit from the U.S.

 

So what would be the crime? I have no problem if the DOJ decides to launch an investigation, but how would it be predicated?

[rabas]

9 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Clearly you've never heard of hacking and tainted leaks. We know Russian hackers broke into Burisma

Russian Hackers Are Using 'Tainted' Leaks to Sow Disinformation

OVER THE PAST year, the Kremlin's strategy of weaponizing leaks to meddle with democracies around the world has become increasingly clear, first in the US and more recently in France. But a new report by a group of security researchers digs into another layer of those so-called influence operations: how Russian hackers alter documents within those releases of hacked material, planting disinformation alongside legitimate leaks.

A new report from researchers at the Citizen Lab group at the University of Toronto's Munk School of Public Affairs documents a wide-ranging hacking campaign, with ties to known Russian hacker groups. 

https://www.wired.com/2017/05/russian-hackers-using-tainted-leaks-sow-disinformation/

Old as the hills. However, modern emails can be independently authenticated by embedded encrypted keys that protect the email's source, date, and contents. You know if one email is fake.

 

Today's emails have "cryptographic signatures" inside the metadata.

 

That said, the Russians continue to develop high tech fake information, including convincing deep learning fake videos. These governments are not our friends.

 

 

[candide]

20 minutes ago, rabas said:

Personally profiting by supporting the Chinese Communist Party would do it for me.

Personally profiting is not established (see my previous mail) and supporting the CPC is complete B.S.

[Berkshire]

33 minutes ago, rabas said:

Personally profiting by supporting the Chinese Communist Party would do it for me.

Are you a man of your word? 

 

[Donald Trump maintains a bank account in China where he pursued licensing deals for years, according to a report that could undermine the president’s election campaign claim that he is tough on Beijing.]

 

[Tax records reviewed by the New York Times showed a previously unreported bank account in China controlled by Trump International Hotels Management. The account paid $188,561 in taxes in China between 2013 and 2015 in connection to potential licensing deals, according the newspaper.]

 

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/oct/21/donald-trump-china-bank-account-nearly-200000-taxes-report

[riclag]

6 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Clearly you've never heard of hacking and tainted leaks. We know Russian hackers broke into Burisma

Russian Hackers Are Using 'Tainted' Leaks to Sow Disinformation

OVER THE PAST year, the Kremlin's strategy of weaponizing leaks to meddle with democracies around the world has become increasingly clear, first in the US and more recently in France. But a new report by a group of security researchers digs into another layer of those so-called influence operations: how Russian hackers alter documents within those releases of hacked material, planting disinformation alongside legitimate leaks.

A new report from researchers at the Citizen Lab group at the University of Toronto's Munk School of Public Affairs documents a wide-ranging hacking campaign, with ties to known Russian hacker groups. 

https://www.wired.com/2017/05/russian-hackers-using-tainted-leaks-sow-disinformation/

 What everyone has learned today ,as reported is, the laptop from hell doesn't have nothing to do with russian hacking or a russian disinfo campaign period!

The FBI and Justice Department concur with DNI Ratcliffe that the laptop is not part of a Russian disinformation campaign.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/fbi-purported-hunter-biden-laptop-sources

 

As the story thickens  2 more sources ,business partners of younger biden are cooperating  ,with some very damming reports

 Tony Bobulinski and Bevan Cooney

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/hunter-biden-s-ex-partner-says-joe-biden-was-involved-in-china-deal/ar-BB1ahvv2

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/former-hunter-biden-business-partner-moved-out-of-prison-cell-after-providing-26-000-emails-to-breitbart-report

[Phoenix Rising]

1 minute ago, riclag said:

 What everyone has learned today ,as reported is, the laptop from hell doesn't have nothing to do with russian hacking or a russian disinfo campaign period!

The FBI and Justice Department concur with DNI Ratcliffe that the laptop is not part of a Russian disinformation campaign.

 

I must ask you as I've asked another base trump supporter (tellingly enough getting a reply in the form of a diversion}:

 

Exactly when did you guys start believing anything that came from the intelligence community and the FBI? You've been harping on about them being completely untrustworthy and infected by the "deep state" but now suddenly they're golden? And I should remind you about your own signature:  Dem Sen.Schumer:"The intel agencies have 6 ways to Sunday to get back at you"

Hypocrisy much?

[rabas]

6 minutes ago, Berkshire said:

Are you a man of your word? 

 

[Donald Trump maintains a bank account in China where he pursued licensing deals for years, according to a report that could undermine the president’s election campaign claim that he is tough on Beijing.]

 

[Tax records reviewed by the New York Times showed a previously unreported bank account in China controlled by Trump International Hotels Management. The account paid $188,561 in taxes in China between 2013 and 2015 in connection to potential licensing deals, according the newspaper.]

 

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/oct/21/donald-trump-china-bank-account-nearly-200000-taxes-report

And?

 

I personally signed a licensing agreement in China a few months ago for a book, which in no way supports the Chinese Communist Party. A ridiculous idea. Do you know the rest of the world including Elon Musk and Trump do business in China? and that the Chinese people are not synonymous with the CCP?  

 

So how does licensing a hotel name in China support the CCP? It helps the US economy.

[Phoenix Rising]

A big "Thank You" to the base trump supporters who keep focusing on this ridiculous Pizzagate 2 "story" while the clock is ticking towards the election:

 

'Republican Pollster: Trump's Is The 'The Worst Campaign I've Ever Seen''

 

"Luntz said the Trump campaign was focusing on this story when polls indicate Americans are more concerned about the COVID-19 pandemic and the economy.

“Hunter Biden does not help put food on the table, Hunter Biden does not help anyone get a job, Hunter Biden does not provide health care or solve COVID. And Donald Trump spends all of his time focused on that and nobody cares,” Luntz said.

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49 minutes ago, rabas said:

And?

 

I personally signed a licensing agreement in China a few months ago for a book, which in no way supports the Chinese Communist Party. A ridiculous idea. Do you know the rest of the world including Elon Musk and Trump do business in China? and that the Chinese people are not synonymous with the CCP?  

 

So how does licensing a hotel name in China support the CCP? It helps the US economy.

Trump Records Shed New Light on Chinese Business Pursuits

But Mr. Trump’s own business history is filled with overseas financial deals, and some have involved the Chinese state. He spent a decade unsuccessfully pursuing projects in China, operating an office there during his first run for president and forging a partnership with a major government-controlled company.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/20/us/trump-taxes-china.html

[Damual Travesty]

2 hours ago, placeholder said:

Nice try at the insinuation game. No hard evidence in either of these stories. Now maybe if Biden had declared a lower value of his properties to the IRS and a higher one to banks, something he's personally and clearly responsible for, you might have a better point. But really, if you want to play that game, Trump's candidacy should be knocked out of the box.

This is not a game. A candidate here faces some serious accusations and the truth is going to come out. The links were in response to someone saying no accusations against Biden surfaced before. That is not true. And this is for the same type of stuff that the accusations alleged before. I am not playing at anything. Not trying to win anything. I want all questions answered and soon. Most importantly I want to know what the FBI is doing with the laptop. I want Wray to testify before congress directly to that. I don't care if its in closed session I want it done. I want the DOJ to issue some sort of opinion on the current status of this. I also want to hear from Joe and Hunter Biden and before the election.  Again not a game.

[Damual Travesty]

42 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Trump Records Shed New Light on Chinese Business Pursuits

But Mr. Trump’s own business history is filled with overseas financial deals, and some have involved the Chinese state. He spent a decade unsuccessfully pursuing projects in China, operating an office there during his first run for president and forging a partnership with a major government-controlled company.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/20/us/trump-taxes-china.html

Donald Trump just like people who opened McDonald's Restaurants in Moscow or bejing was a private citizen for his entire life. He was not a politician who by appearances may have been enriching himself through his office. Further you are posting articles absolutely not related to Hunter Biden or his laptop.

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Just now, Damual Travesty said:

This is not a game. A candidate here faces some serious accusations and the truth is going to come out. The links were in response to someone saying no accusations against Biden surfaced before. That is not true. And this is for the same type of stuff that the accusations alleged before. I am not playing at anything. Not trying to win anything. I want all questions answered and soon. Most importantly I want to know what the FBI is doing with the laptop. I want Wray to testify before congress directly to that. I don't care if its in closed session I want it done. I want the DOJ to issue some sort of opinion on the current status of this. I also want to hear from Joe and Hunter Biden and before the election.  Again not a game.

For the sake argument, let's say that the content of the accusations is serious. So whatt? Anybody can accuse anybody of anything. But if the accusations aren't well founded, why should we care?

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1 minute ago, Damual Travesty said:

Donald Trump just like people who opened McDonald's Restaurants in Moscow or bejing was a private citizen for his entire life. He was not a politician who by appearances may have been enriching himself through his office. Further you are posting articles absolutely not related to Hunter Biden or his laptop.

Someone claimed that Trump's conduct didn't involve doing business with the Chinese govt. I set him straight.

[Morch]

12 hours ago, Tippaporn said:

Here's a great suggestion by National Review author Andrew McCarthy (right bias, mostly factual) - rather than repeal or rewrite Section 230 simply apply the conditions of immunity as prescribe by Section 230.  Similar to the benefits provided by government to a non-profit.  As long as a non-profit adheres to the conditions, such as remaining neutral and not endorsing political candidates for example, they can enjoy the benefits.  They're still free to make their own choices and can chose to endorse a political candidate.  But as soon as they do they are no longer eligible for those benefits.

 

Eligibility requirements, as laid out in Section 230, should apply as well.  If Twitter or other social media companies behave as content providers rather than an interactive computer service then they lose the protections guaranteed by Section 230 and are open to lawsuits.  Fair enough.

 

How to Put a Stop to Twitter’s Game-Playing on Censorship

 

"...by National Review author Andrew McCarthy (right bias, mostly factual)".

 

The National Review's assessment on https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/ is as posted above. However, I doubt it fully applies to McCarthy:

 

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During the presidency of Barack Obama, McCarthy characterized Obama as a radical and a socialist, and authored a book alleging that Obama was advancing a "Sharia Agenda". He authored another book calling for Obama's impeachment. He defended false claims that the Affordable Care Act would lead to "death panels", and promoted the conspiracy theory that Bill Ayers, co-founder of the militant radical left-wing organization Weather Underground, had authored Obama's autobiography Dreams from My Father.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_C._McCarthy

 

He's also the author of a recent pro-Trump book titled 'Ball of Collusion: The Plot to Rig an Election and Destroy a Presidency'.

[Sujo]

4 minutes ago, Damual Travesty said:

Donald Trump just like people who opened McDonald's Restaurants in Moscow or bejing was a private citizen for his entire life. He was not a politician who by appearances may have been enriching himself through his office. Further you are posting articles absolutely not related to Hunter Biden or his laptop.

Hunter is not n office. Joe was not in office when the emails were done.

 

but trump has indeed enriched himself. Maralago membership costs doubled. Secret service costs for staying at his properties. Pence staying hundreds of miles from his meeting in ireland just so he can stay at a trump property. Ivanka getting trademarks in china.

 

Thats all fact. But by all means feel free to show evidence biden enriched himself through office.

 

lets start with tax returns. Bidens are there for all to see.

[Morch]

12 hours ago, Tippaporn said:

My comment here is about Biden.  I'm not getting sidetracked by the usual deflections to make Trump the topic instead.

 

Topic is titled - Trump slams Facebook, Twitter for taking down Biden story in NY Post. Unless you try really hard to ignore it, Trump is mentioned on the first word. But do go on about 'usual deflections'.

[Morch]

12 hours ago, Damual Travesty said:

What are you trying to say Eric? Is it your contention that the laptop is somehow not real? Are the email faked? Is the shop owner who took the laptop in a Russian agent? What is it about the story itself that you are finding to be not true? What is it in the story that is "radioactive" ?

 

The story has broke. It's out. The Democrats and media tried to blame this on Russian dis-information. The DNI backed up by US intel services have stated clearly, matter of factly that no such intelligence exists concerning this laptop.

 

The questions now are only, related to what clarity Joe Biden can provide as what these emails mean, and what else is on the laptop, and why isn't the media investigating what would be the obvious questions which are related to following the money, Joe Biden's assets, bank account flows etc.

 

Were almost at the point right now, where it may be a good idea for Joe Biden to resign his candidacy. I mean how much more can come out, and at what point will all of you simply throw up you hands and admit you have no further defense of this man?

 

Don't recall you expecting Trump to clear up anything directed his way, or for him to resign on the force of such claims. Somehow, it seems you hold Biden to a higher standard.

[Morch]

11 hours ago, Damual Travesty said:

You have only one response as usual which is an insult against Donald J Trump, but honestly, that defence does not really work very well with regard to explaining away the Hunter Biden laptop and its contents.  I hope he resigns his candidacy soon and spares his Country further pain. It would be the honourable thing to do now.

 

You are supporting a president who is in the habit of insulting critics, rivals and anyone seen as stealing his thunder. Trump supporters on here regularly insult the rival candidates and those supporting them. You were saying something about 'honestly'...?

[onthedarkside]

A post with unsourced and unsubstantiated claims re Hunter Biden has been removed, along with replies to it.

 

[candide]

38 minutes ago, Sujo said:

Hunter is not n office. Joe was not in office when the emails were done.

 

but trump has indeed enriched himself. Maralago membership costs doubled. Secret service costs for staying at his properties. Pence staying hundreds of miles from his meeting in ireland just so he can stay at a trump property. Ivanka getting trademarks in china.

 

Thats all fact. But by all means feel free to show evidence biden enriched himself through office.

 

lets start with tax returns. Bidens are there for all to see.

Tha barrage of posts by Trump supporters has distracted us from the key issue. Even if true, there has been no incriminating evidence shown (except for the pedophilia pictures if there are any). 

[Morch]

8 hours ago, riclag said:

lol They share the same last name ! That's everything to do with pop,he admitted  he would of never got these ties if it wasn't his fathers last name !  Nice try!

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/trump-impeachment-inquiry/hunter-biden-defends-foreign-business-dealings-admits-poor-judgment-n1066201

 

Also Shoe on the other foot ! Trumps kids would be trashed if...

Stay tuned!

 

So do tell...when did you last have issues with Trump's 'kids' and their business dealings? Or with Trump's son in law's business dealings? Or for that matter, with Trump's own?

[Morch]

8 hours ago, Tippaporn said:

I disagree.  If improper financial entanglements with China exist then Joe is a national security risk (same argument made by the left regarding Trump's ties to Russia, so please, the left can't deny this point).  Are you then suggesting that we shouldn't find out this all-important truth until after the election?  That would be absolutely backwards logic.

 

Trump supporters, on this forum, routinely ignore, deflect and sneer at any mention of Trump's conflict of interest issues, his family's and associates. For you to suddenly be 'concerned' about such stuff is beyond disingenuous.

[Morch]

8 hours ago, Tippaporn said:

O.K.  Let's ask Joe to divulge all of his business dealings with China (and elsewhere?).  He hasn't made a peep about having any Chinese related business dealings.  Why so secretive?  Perhaps it would lead to more, do ya think?  And if he's running for president wouldn't any business dealings with the Chinese (especially if tied to the CCP) be of critical importance to disclose?  National security risks apply?

 

Wouldn't you want to know, simple1?  I sure as hell would if I were voting.  Or would all of that just be dandy with you?  I mean aren't you at all concerned?  I don't think ignorance would not be bliss here.  What if the roles were reversed and it was Trump?  Would you want to know?  Would you defend Trump in the same way you would defend Biden?

 

But on the other hand you do not feel as strongly about Trump needing to divulge information on his business dealings (including with China), financial situation and conflicts of interests. And just to remind you, Trump is the President, Biden a candidate.

[Morch]

8 hours ago, Damual Travesty said:

I am not a "Trump fan". I am an American Citizen, 62 years old, Retired US Navy, and I have voted for both parties in my lifetime. I am a conservative.

 

I have seen many political scandals and followed them all closely and have never seen one as serious as this, unless you count the entire scandal to remove the President from office. That one is every bit as big.

 

I am deeply concerned about the activities of Joe and Hunter Biden, have been able to see the obvious issue ever since it was found that his son was on the board of Burisma. And more and more keeps getting added. I have no reason to doubt that a Computer repair shop fabricated the laptop. I have no reason to believe that the drop off signature is s forgery, No reason to question the Hunter Biden's attorney contacted the shop to get it back, no reason to doubt the 2ndary verification of receiving parties on the emails as to their authenticity. I suppose I could call all of this in question but that seems to more on the implausible end then the story itself.

 

I sincerely hope that Joe Biden withdraw his name from consideration. Please refrain from insult in your response that no doubt would ask that I ignore the above as having any foundation in reality.

 

"I am not a "Trump fan"."

 

Sure you're not. A Trump fan might have posted something like:

 

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One of the greatest Presidents ever , precisely because he does not care what those outside the United States of America think of him. He is not in a global popularity contest.

https://forum.thaivisa.com/topic/1181781-trump-says-he-minimized-coronavirus-didnt-want-to-create-panic woodward book/?do=findComment&comment=15803118

 

 

 

[Morch]

8 hours ago, Damual Travesty said:

Actually all who head agencies are appointees of the President of the USA that is how our system works.That is no reason to call into question him saying he has sent no information to Congress, nor seen such information which makes a claim that the Biden Laptop is part of some elaborate Russian scheme.  Further, he does not have a "dodgy history" as you say. The intelligence community is NOT saying what you stated.  The Intelligence community speaks through the DNI and they have not refuted or argued his public position.  Your LOL what does that mean exactly? You are laughing out loud at who me? The Director if Intelligence of the USA as if you know better? The report did not come out of faux it came out of the New York post but it has been corroborated elsewhere including Fox. Let's just let the truth to continue to come out and see where it leads shall we?  Sound reasonable to you? My guess is Biden steps down and soon.

 

You are either uninformed with regard to Ratcliffe's record or trolling. There were good reasons why the first attempt to appoint him to the post didn't come through. Details and sources can be found here:

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Ratcliffe_(American_politician)

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Ratcliffe_(American_politician)#Director_of_National_Intelligence

 

And could you please give your 'let's see where it leads' bit a rest? Considering you keep posting essentially the same posts over and over again, with apparently no real intention of 'waiting and seeing'.

[Morch]

8 hours ago, Damual Travesty said:

Who is us? Do you refer to yourself in the plural? Your article is not the topic of this post. It is simply noise and I am not interested in any unsubstantiated garbage designed as a hit job against the President. I do not read the NY times and do not get free access to the NY times and there is a paywall on the article. You didn't notice?

 

But unsubstantiated garbage designed as a hit job against the President's political rival is quite alright, apparently.