Brexit brinkmanship: Johnson says prepare for no-deal, cancels trade talks

[polpott]

Just now, dimitriv said:

 

There are 751 members in the EU parliament. The desperate British hear 1 of them speaking and they see light at the end of the tunnel.

 

It seems the British (including you) are really getting desperate.

 

 

 

Also a member of AfD. Extreme right wing, anti European party.

[JonnyF]

4 minutes ago, dimitriv said:

 

There are 751 members in the EU parliament. The desperate British hear 1 of them speaking and they see light at the end of the tunnel.

 

It seems the British (including you) are really getting desperate.

 

Believe me, public opinion is AGAINST any deal with the UK now.

 

 

 

What does public opinion matter? This is the EU. There will be no vote on it.

[dimitriv]

Just now, polpott said:

Also a member of AfD. Extreme right wing, anti European party.

 

I didn't know that. The only thing I see are some desperate British people here who see it as a sign that there can be an agreement. I really hope we passed that point.

 

[dimitriv]

Just now, JonnyF said:

 

What does public opinion matter? This is the EU. There will be no vote on it.

 

 

Again selective quoting from you.

 

"There are 751 members in the EU parliament. The desperate British hear 1 of them speaking and they see light at the end of the tunnel.

 

It seems the British (including you) are really getting desperate."

 

[dimitriv]

1 minute ago, JonnyF said:

This is the EU. There will be no vote on it.

 

Believe me. Every country has to agree. They all have to vote in their own parliaments in their own countries. And if any of the EU members does not agree there will be no deal.

 

I really feel like talking to a Trump supporter.

 

 

[JonnyF]

10 minutes ago, polpott said:

No, it depends on what Boris' backers want. See post above yours.

 

You don't get to choose. There will be no referendum on what deal to accept.

 

We already had the referendum. We chose to Leave the EU and we have left.

 

We also had a General Election whereby we chose the Conservatives on a campaign of "Get Brexit Done". We can't have a referendum on every minutia of the future trading status, that would be ridiculous. 

 

However, the democratic process has served us well despite the anti-democratic factions of the Remain side.

[JonnyF]

3 minutes ago, dimitriv said:

 

Believe me. Every country has to agree. They all have to vote in their own parliaments in their own countries. And if any of the EU members does not agree there will be no deal.

 

I really feel like talking to a Trump supporter.

 

 

You said public opinion. The public will not vote.

[polpott]

Just now, JonnyF said:

 

We already had the referendum. We chose to Leave the EU and we have left.

 

We also had a General Election whereby we chose the Conservatives on a campaign of "Get Brexit Done". We can't have a referendum on every minutia of the future trading status, that would be ridiculous. 

 

However, the democratic process has served us well despite the anti-democratic factions of the Remain side.

I think you'll find that it was me that said that you're not getting a referendum. It might screw up Boris' agenda.

[polpott]

4 minutes ago, dimitriv said:

 

Believe me. Every country has to agree. They all have to vote in their own parliaments in their own countries. And if any of the EU members does not agree there will be no deal.

 

I really feel like talking to a Trump supporter.

 

 

You are.

[JonnyF]

5 minutes ago, dimitriv said:

 

 

Again selective quoting from you.

 

"There are 751 members in the EU parliament. The desperate British hear 1 of them speaking and they see light at the end of the tunnel.

 

It seems the British (including you) are really getting desperate."

 

 

Of course, some members will say the opposite. Hence my point that the EU is divided. I never claimed they ALL think the same thing.

 

I quoted 3 MEP's to show that there is real division there, and you have inadvertently proved my point.

[vogie]

9 minutes ago, dimitriv said:

 

There are 751 members in the EU parliament. The desperate British hear 1 of them speaking and they see light at the end of the tunnel.

 

It seems the British (including you) are really getting desperate.

 

Believe me, public opinion is AGAINST any deal with the UK now.

 

 

Rather than believing you, can you provide credible evidence to back your statement that the "public is AGAINST any deal with the UK now"

[dimitriv]

2 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

You said public opinion. The public will not vote.

 

I said:

 

"There are 751 members in the EU parliament. The desperate British hear 1 of them speaking and they see light at the end of the tunnel.

 

It seems the British (including you) are really getting desperate."

 

 

[JonnyF]

8 minutes ago, dimitriv said:

I really feel like talking to a Trump supporter.

Go ahead. Don't let me stop you.

[dimitriv]

1 minute ago, JonnyF said:

 

Of course, some members will say the opposite. Hence my point that the EU is divided. I never claimed they ALL think the same thing.

 

I quoted 3 MEP's to show that there is real division there, and you have inadvertently proved my point.

 

You quoted 3 of 751 and make the conclusion that there is real division?  Would you make the same conclusion if 3 people in the British parliament say something?

 

 

 

 

 

[dimitriv]

4 minutes ago, vogie said:

Rather than believing you, can you provide credible evidence to back your statement that the "public is AGAINST any deal with the UK now"

 

After talking with some pro Brexit supporters from the UK I learned 1 thing. FACTS do not matter. It is not surprising that the UK is such a mess.

 

I am going to spend my time in a better way. And I pray for a NO DEAL Brexit.

 

 

[vogie]

Just now, dimitriv said:

 

After talking with some pro Brexit supporters from the UK I learned 1 thing. FACTS do not matter. It is not surprising that the UK is such a mess.

 

I am going to spend my time in a better way. And I pray for a NO DEAL Brexit.

 

 

I knew you couldn't, your posts are tinged with a smidgen of the sour grape variety.

[Tofer]

11 hours ago, RayC said:

Who is Michael Charles?

As Nauseus said, Charles Michel. My mistake for reading his name off twitter, and not having anything to do with all that social networking, was not aware how it presents a name.

[transam]

1 hour ago, polpott said:

Boris has been desperate for no deal for the last 4 years.

Are you an insider, or are you assuming...?

[polpott]

1 hour ago, JonnyF said:

 

Don't take my word for it.

 

Watch the 2:05 minute mark and the 5:55 minute mark (yes, 555!).

 

9:45 will also open your eyes.

 

One big happy family!

 

 

2.05 Nicolas Bey. French. Member of National Rally, formerly National Front. 5.55 Tom Vandenrisshe, member of Belgian party Vlaams Belang, formerly Vlaams Blok  which dissolved after a trial in 2004 condemned the party for racism. 9.45  Finnish MEP Laura Huhtasaari member of the Finn Party Formerly True Finns a right wing populist party. She is anti EU and a Trump supporter.

 

Hardly a representative cross section of the European parliament.

 

 

Edited October 22, 2020 by polpott

[Tofer]

2 hours ago, transam said:

Very funny comrade, especially from a UK national..........????

He's not a UK national, he's from the imagined Independent Republic of Scotland, soon not to be so independent, if they leave and rejoin the EU....

[david555]

45 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

 

What does public opinion matter? This is the EU. There will be no vote on it.

Oh what a relief ...it has to end ....i want to know the brexit  economic result at last 

[transam]

3 minutes ago, david555 said:

Oh what a relief ...it has to end ....i want to know the brexit  economic result at last 

Why's that..?

[polpott]

15 minutes ago, transam said:

Are you an insider, or are you assuming...?

Read my subsequent post with links.

[david555]

1 minute ago, transam said:

Why's that..?

Pure curiosity only.....to see which chrystall ball is worth to buy too ????

 

Mine goes reasonable ,but if better is availble.....i could consider a change ????

 

And NO Transam ,not because my tax bill ????

 

 

 

 

[transam]

2 minutes ago, polpott said:

Read my subsequent post with links.

A link from The Guardian.......................????

[JonnyF]

44 minutes ago, dimitriv said:

 

You quoted 3 of 751 and make the conclusion that there is real division?  Would you make the same conclusion if 3 people in the British parliament say something?

 

 

 

 

 

Are you implying that because there are only 3 examples in the video I posted, that only 3 MEP's are fed up with Barnier's stance?

[transam]

1 minute ago, JonnyF said:

Are you implying that because there are only 3 examples in the video I posted, that only 3 MEP's are fed up with Barnier's stance?

The anti-Brexit camp, the hub of assumptions ............????    

[JonnyF]

50 minutes ago, dimitriv said:

 

I said:

 

"There are 751 members in the EU parliament. The desperate British hear 1 of them speaking and they see light at the end of the tunnel.

 

It seems the British (including you) are really getting desperate."

 

 

You said Public opinion is against any deal.

 

Here is where you said it...

 

 

Even if that were true (I'm not sure how you've arrived at such a conclusion) it doesn't matter since there will be no public vote. 

 

[transam]

53 minutes ago, dimitriv said:

 

After talking with some pro Brexit supporters from the UK I learned 1 thing. FACTS do not matter. It is not surprising that the UK is such a mess.

 

I am going to spend my time in a better way. And I pray for a NO DEAL Brexit.

 

 

 

[transam]

Nice to see an EU MEP, not from the UK, talk sense......