Brexit brinkmanship: Johnson says prepare for no-deal, cancels trade talks

[7by7]

19 hours ago, kingdong said:

This subject has deen going on for over 3 years the views over the benefits of leaving have been told time and time again 

 So having repeatedly said that you can't provide an explanation of what you believe the benefits are to the UK of Brexit because you can't predict future events, you are now saying that you have already explained those benefits!

 

So what are some of those benefits?

 

19 hours ago, kingdong said:

so can only conclude you,re trolling.

Standard Brexiteer response to questions they can't answer!

[7by7]

19 hours ago, kingdong said:

if you think brexit is going to be such a disaster why stay on a sinking ship?

I can't speak for others; but as I am British and love my country I remain here in the hope that we can salvage something from the disaster.

 

Would you not have done the same had Remain won? Or would you have deserted your country like a rat deserting a sinking ship?

[Mavideol]

53 minutes ago, 3NUMBAS said:

Brexit punishment drawn up! Barnier threatens trade tariffs in plot to FORCE Boris to cave

MICHEL Barnier has dangled the threat of crippling trade tariffs over British exporters unless Boris Johnson caves in a row over post-Brexit fishing rights.

By Joe Barnes, Brussels Correspondent

 

https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1358090/Brexit-news-Michel-Barnier-UK-EU-trade-talks-latest-fish-no-deal-tariffs-update

and once again the express is quoted by you, don't have another, better and more reliable source of information

[7by7]

8 hours ago, transam said:

3. The spokesperson and leader of the Lib Dems that promised YOU the UK will stay in the EU was chucked out.

So what message did that tell remainers....?

 

She lost her seat to the SNP by 149 votes.

 

The SNP supported Remain in 2016 and in 2019 campaigned on the promise of a referendum on the WA.

 

She received 12068 more votes than the Brexiteer Tory.

 

What message does that send to Brexiteers?

 

 

[7by7]

9 minutes ago, Mavideol said:

and once again the express is quoted by you, don't have another, better and more reliable source of information

 

The sensationalist headline is quoted by @3NUMBAS.

 

Yet again he has not read the article!

[kingdong]

3 hours ago, 7by7 said:

I can't speak for others; but as I am British and love my country I remain here in the hope that we can salvage something from the disaster.

 

Would you not have done the same had Remain won? Or would you have deserted your country like a rat deserting a sinking ship?

Hard to salvage anything while you,re fighting for the other side.

[kingdong]

3 hours ago, 7by7 said:

 

She lost her seat to the SNP by 149 votes.

 

The SNP supported Remain in 2016 and in 2019 campaigned on the promise of a referendum on the WA.

 

She received 12068 more votes than the Brexiteer Tory.

 

What message does that send to Brexiteers?

 

 

hoots mon Its a braw bricht moonlicht  nicht the nicht.

[kingdong]

11 hours ago, Surelynot said:

I would suspect a lot of the remain-minded commentators on here have done just that....welcome to the LOS.

Our gain,your loss.

[tebee]

5 hours ago, 7by7 said:

I can't speak for others; but as I am British and love my country I remain here in the hope that we can salvage something from the disaster.

 

...

 

 

I love my country, I just don't love 52% of the people in it !

[7by7]

4 hours ago, kingdong said:

Hard to salvage anything 

 

Difficult with Cummings and his tool in charge, true. But as the EU have called his bluff a deal which benefits both sides is becoming more likely. 

 

4 hours ago, kingdong said:

while you,re fighting for the other side.

What side would that be, then?

 

The other side to the one you're on; that is the increasingly large percentage of Leave voters who have come to realise that they were sold a pup in 2016.

 

4 hours ago, kingdong said:

Would have accepted the peoples democratic vote,not wasting three and a half years of my life as a keyboard sniper.love your country?

 

The country I love is a democracy; one where people are allowed to argue against the government of the day and, yes, even the results of referendums! It is not the sort of autocratic state where no one is allowed to hold, let alone express, an opinion different to yours or that of the dear leader's!

 

We have elections at most every five years where we have the chance to vote against the government and elect a new one which can reverse all the laws etc. promised and then enacted by the party we voted for last time.

 

4 hours ago, kingdong said:

Put another record on

 The 'trolling' ploy didn't work; so now you resort to this one. 

 

Why not answer the question instead? Is it because you can't?

 

[transam]

14 hours ago, 7by7 said:

 

She lost her seat to the SNP by 149 votes.

 

The SNP supported Remain in 2016 and in 2019 campaigned on the promise of a referendum on the WA.

 

She received 12068 more votes than the Brexiteer Tory.

 

What message does that send to Brexiteers?

 

 

The message sent was that she was chucked out, she and the Lib Dems did NOT get a landslide vote from your remainer lot........That is a huge message......

 

Strange how you juggle with numbers instead of looking at the facts...

1. Lib Dems failed.....FACT...

2. Brexit happened....FACT...

[Surelynot]

The gift that keeps giving....

[kingdong]

2 minutes ago, Surelynot said:

The gift that keeps giving....

Who cares,i don,t be a price well worth paying for our childrens future.

[Surelynot]

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A future that would have been so much brighter if we had remained as part of EU....instead we are going to be a sad, little isolation island, the Union breaking down, costs soaring, second rate trade deals and beholden to the USA over which we have even less say than we had with the EU.

 

What am I saying?.....All my four kids have Italian passports...so what do I care.

Edited November 11, 2020 by Scott

[transam]

7 minutes ago, Surelynot said:

A future that would have been so much brighter if we had remained as part of EU....instead we are going to be a sad, little isolation island, the Union breaking down, costs soaring, second rate trade deals and beholden to the USA over which we have even less say than we had with the EU.

 

What am I saying?.....All my four kids have Italian passports...so what do I care.

Italy, a country toying with its own Brexit......????

[Surelynot]

2 minutes ago, transam said:

Italy, a country toying with its own Brexit......????

Possibly....they are entitled to Serbian passports as well...but might have to wait a few years for those.

[vogie]

3 minutes ago, transam said:

Italy, a country toying with its own Brexit......????

I think it's called 'Italics'????

[Surelynot]

1 minute ago, vogie said:

I think it's called 'Italics'????

Italics...surely

[nauseus]

3 hours ago, Surelynot said:

*Deleted post edited out*

 

A future that would have been so much brighter if we had remained as part of EU....instead we are going to be a sad, little isolation island, the Union breaking down, costs soaring, second rate trade deals and beholden to the USA over which we have even less say than we had with the EU.

 

What am I saying?.....All my four kids have Italian passports...so what do I care.

 

You should care if you value their membership of the wonderful EU - Italy will be next to go.

[7by7]

9 hours ago, transam said:

The message sent was that she was chucked out, she and the Lib Dems did NOT get a landslide vote from your remainer lot........That is a huge message......

 

You said

On 11/10/2020 at 2:47 AM, transam said:

3. The spokesperson and leader of the Lib Dems that promised YOU the UK will stay in the EU was chucked out.

So what message did that tell remainers....?

 You are very fond of facts, so I gave you some

23 hours ago, 7by7 said:

 

She lost her seat to the SNP by 149 votes.

 

The SNP supported Remain in 2016 and in 2019 campaigned on the promise of a referendum on the WA.

 

She received 12068 more votes than the Brexiteer Tory.

 

What message does that send to Brexiteers?

 

 

 

9 hours ago, transam said:

Strange how you juggle with numbers instead of looking at the facts...

1. Lib Dems failed.....FACT...

2. Brexit happened....FACT...

 

Even though the LibDems lost one seat, they did increase their vote share. Failure? Maybe, but not the humiliation you earlier claimed.

 

Yes; Brexit has happened. unfortunately. But as I live in a democracy I have the right to speak out against it; even if it can't be changed, and campaign for the best possible trade deal for the UK. 

 

No juggling with numbers by me; just reporting the facts. That you don't care for those facts is your problem, not mine.

[Tofer]

On 11/9/2020 at 6:55 PM, RayC said:

 

Is it really so unreasonable to ask for some evidence - or at least, a coherent argument -  to support this theory that Brexit will deliver a future full of bright new tomorrows for the UK?

 

I tried the 'closing my eyes and wishing really hard for something' approach on the morning after the referendum. It didn't work then, and I don't hold out much hope that it will now.

I don't have crystal balls, unlike some on this forum. But what I can say is that IMO, we'll be far better off setting our own rules, laws and trading arrangements, than being tied to a bunch of self serving, unelected, protectionist EU bureaucrats, who are more interested in their gravy train and building a 'Republic of Europe', than the prosperity of the UK economy, businesses and citizens, or any other EU member for that matter.

 

What's more, as I've said on a number of occasions, arguing over a done deal is rather pointless.

 

If you thought you were going to have an epiphany the morning after, I would suggest you need to climb down off cloud cuckoo land, and stop being such a defeatist. Watch Oddball a few dozen and repeat after him.....

[Tofer]

On 11/9/2020 at 3:47 PM, Rookiescot said:

Therein lies the problem. Us Remainers cannot see the benefits of Brexit and you Brexiteers cannot list any either.

There you go again with those negative waves....

[Tofer]

On 11/9/2020 at 7:13 PM, 7by7 said:

 So what has the EU done to "the EU would do everything they could to punish the UK, and not respect the essence / terms of the WA, thereby rendering it null and void?"

 

If Johnson had the foresight to predict all this, why did he sign it?

To get the bl..dy process moving past the starting post of course.

[Tofer]

On 11/9/2020 at 9:16 PM, RayC said:

Nag's Head has won its' last 3 races at Haydock over the same distance. Pony's Tail has failed to finish in its' last 3 races. I reckon that Nag's Head has a better chance of winning than Pony's Tail. Does this mean that Nag's Head will win and that Pony's Tail won't. No, but a day away from the race I'd say that Nag's Head's got a better chance.

 

Why don't you have a go at constructing a meaningful argument in support of 'No deal' rather than going off at a tangent?

OK, the UK built a thriving and prosperous empire, the UK won the 1st WW, the UK won the 2nd WW, and rebuilt their industry, and economy, so I'd say the UK's got a good chance of making a success of it.

 

Or as Oddball would say, "have a little faith"...

 

Happy now?

Edited November 11, 2020 by Tofer

[Tofer]

On 11/9/2020 at 9:24 PM, Rookiescot said:

The corona pandemic is bad enough but you guys have lumped Brexit on top of that.

Don't blame me, I didn't get a chance to vote, and I've already stated I would have voted remain for purely selfish reasons, although I was a closet Brexiteer in principle, as the collapse of the pound has cost me approx. £60,000 extra, being in the middle of a major development here at the time.

 

HOWEVER - seeing the conduct of the EU since we signed Article 50, and their propensity towards punishing the UK for having the audacity to vote to leave, I am now off the fence and firmly behind the Brexit movement. I also never had any doubt that we will make a success of it ultimately.

[Tofer]

On 11/10/2020 at 9:52 AM, Surelynot said:

I would suspect a lot of the remain-minded commentators on here have done just that....welcome to the LOS.

Don't go down that route, or we'll get all the 'out of the frying pan and into the fire' brigade on here as well.

[Rookiescot]

1 hour ago, Tofer said:

Don't blame me, I didn't get a chance to vote, and I've already stated I would have voted remain for purely selfish reasons, although I was a closet Brexiteer in principle, as the collapse of the pound has cost me approx. £60,000 extra, being in the middle of a major development here at the time.

 

HOWEVER - seeing the conduct of the EU since we signed Article 50, and their propensity towards punishing the UK for having the audacity to vote to leave, I am now off the fence and firmly behind the Brexit movement. I also never had any doubt that we will make a success of it ultimately.

 

Its not punishment. Its simply reality. The EU has been steadfast in what it was prepared to offer since the referendum result came in.

Its simply a case of the worlds largest trading block in negotiation with a small country regarding access to the EU's single market.

Its clear. Dont like it then walk away with no deal. And accept the consequences of no deal.

You were never on the fence. You say you voted remain for purely personal financial reasons. Not because you thought it was right for the country. 

[david555]

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/nov/11/eu-summit-19-november-deadline-draft-brexit-deal

 

EU summit on 19 November seen as deadline for draft Brexit deal

 

‘If there isn’t good news by then ... time is up,’ says senior EU diplomat

 

Daniel Boffey in Brussels

Wed 11 Nov 2020 11.41 GMT

Last modified on Wed 11 Nov 2020 17.45 GMT

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A summit of EU leaders on 19 November is now viewed in Brussels as the final deadline for a draft Brexit deal, with negotiations on Britain’s future trade and security relationship with the bloc set to go to the wire.

 

Negotiators working in London had hoped to be able to pass on a deal to MEPs for scrutiny by 18 November to allow time for parliamentary ratification but the talks remain difficult, according to sources on both sides.

Edited November 11, 2020 by david555

[transam]

13 hours ago, 7by7 said:

 

You said

 You are very fond of facts, so I gave you some

 

 

Even though the LibDems lost one seat, they did increase their vote share. Failure? Maybe, but not the humiliation you earlier claimed.

 

Yes; Brexit has happened. unfortunately. But as I live in a democracy I have the right to speak out against it; even if it can't be changed, and campaign for the best possible trade deal for the UK. 

 

No juggling with numbers by me; just reporting the facts. That you don't care for those facts is your problem, not mine.

You missed my main point, the remain electorate didn't all rush to the Lib Dems to quosh Brexit, the Tories were given the go ahead to get it done. The leader of the Lib Dems, after here many TV appearances, was trounced.

You can spin your numbers all you like, but the FACT is, you remainers were sent packing....????

 

[Laughing Gravy]

On 11/11/2020 at 12:18 AM, tebee said:

 

 

I love my country, I just don't love 52% of the people in it !

Nah you love yourself for you and your situation. What about all those who voted to give the conservatives an 80 plus majority in parliament, the only party supporting Brexit. I guess you don't love them either. 

 

Don't worry I am in that 52% bracket and I couldn't give a shiny s**te if you don't love me.

 

It is democracy and about time you accepted it.