Britain and EU to try to rescue post-Brexit trade talks

[Loiner]

2 minutes ago, puipuitom said:

The British sold theri fishing quota already a 30 years ago. Boris wants to cancel these sales just as he did with the Withdrawal Act. A contract with the British is not even worth the ink it is signed with.

 

Well you seem to be placing great faith in the WA, which the EU quickly tried to undermine. What did the EU sign in - lemon juice?

 

As for some old quota contracts, well those EU fishermen had better hope those contracts were 'forever' and not just short leases.

[dunroaming]

17 minutes ago, Loiner said:

You can call Boris a clown, or a failed journalist, or a buffoon, or a liar, or anything else you want to. He's still beating your Barnier and Macron. That must hurt a bit doesn't it, beating your best?

He's not bluffing either, is that how your pair are losing the negotiations and being sent home? 

Barnier and the EU have been consistent from day one.  Britain has gone through a whole range of negotiators and different positions on what they want from Brexit.  Then Johnson comes up with a withdrawal Agreement that he says is great for the UK.  Then he changes his mind and reneges on that agreement. Then sets yet another deadline (as he hasn't ended up dead in a ditch) and then another for the 16th October.  At that point he declares that we should prepare for a no deal Brexit and closes the door on the negotiations and then disappears.  Up jumps Gove and says that the door is not exactly closed and is in fact ajar.  Now we hear that Johnson and Barnier will be talking on the phone again today.

 

And that is your idea of us beating Barnier and Macron ????????????

[Loiner]

3 minutes ago, puipuitom said:

Why you British are always coming with the "fins9hing", a 0,12 % of the British earnings ?

I would care about the "Make"industry and of all: the financial service industry of the London City, wordt a LOT more.

Try asking Macon and Barnier why the fishing is so important. For Boris it is a massive lever, which could give us a No Deal without even trying.

[RayC]

24 minutes ago, Loiner said:

You can call Boris a clown, or a failed journalist, or a buffoon, or a liar, or anything else you want to. He's still beating your Barnier and Macron. That must hurt a bit doesn't it, beating your best?

He's not bluffing either, is that how your pair are losing the negotiations and being sent home? 

A negotiation is not a competition; it's a discussion with the aim of reaching an agreement. It shouldn't be about 'beating'.

 

Still, if the UK is worse-off in years to come, you'll dismiss it as it as being unimportant. What's important is that we 'beat' the Remainers and the EU. Hooray! 

[Loiner]

Just now, dunroaming said:

Barnier and the EU have been consistent from day one.  Britain has gone through a whole range of negotiators and different positions on what they want from Brexit.  Then Johnson comes up with a withdrawal Agreement that he says is great for the UK.  Then he changes his mind and reneges on that agreement. Then sets yet another deadline (as he hasn't ended up dead in a ditch) and then another for the 16th October.  At that point he declares that we should prepare for a no deal Brexit and closes the door on the negotiations and then disappears.  Up jumps Gove and says that the door is not exactly closed and is in fact ajar.  Now we hear that Johnson and Barnier will be talking on the phone again today.

 

And that is your idea of us beating Barnier and Macron ????????????

The UK position has always been No Deal is better than a bad deal, even from Theresa's days.

Barnier was sent home like a naughty boy and told he could call us if he would come make fundamental changes.
Boris is still winning.

[Mavideol]

5 hours ago, webfact said:

if the bloc was willing to compromise.

why does the bloc has to compromise, the block doesn't want a deal, thus nothing to compromise, the UK wants a deal they are the ones to compromise

[dunroaming]

Always amazes me that the Brexiteers see leaving without a deal as a win when it is a loss for everyone.

[vinny41]

Do you trust that the EU has your country's best interests at heart?

That may explain why the majority view in all three countries is that the EU doesn't have their best interests at heart. More than half of Italians feel that way, as do 46% of the French. The Germans are the most trusting, with 40% seeing Brussels as well-intentioned.

https://www.euronews.com/2020/10/15/majority-of-germans-think-uk-will-not-benefit-long-term-from-brexit-euronews-survey-reveal

[Loiner]

1 minute ago, RayC said:

A negotiation is not a competition; it's a discussion with the aim of reaching an agreement. It shouldn't be about 'beating'.

 

Still, if the UK is worse-off in years to come, you'll dismiss it as it as being unimportant. What's important is that we 'beat' the Remainers and the EU. Hooray! 

The EU will not make a deal "at any price". There's not a lot to negotiate about after that.

 

Yes, beating the Remainers right into the ground is still another objective of all the Brexit process. Nearly there.

[transam]

2 minutes ago, RayC said:

A negotiation is not a competition; it's a discussion with the aim of reaching an agreement. It shouldn't be about 'beating'.

 

Still, if the UK is worse-off in years to come, you'll dismiss it as it as being unimportant. What's important is that we 'beat' the Remainers and the EU. Hooray! 

No, if the UK is worse off in years to come we will still be a free country controlling our own affairs on land and sea, not a U.S. of G. state......... 

[vinny41]

1 minute ago, Mavideol said:

why does the bloc has to compromise, the block doesn't want a deal, thus nothing to compromise, the UK wants a deal they are the ones to compromise

Have you tried to convince the Mercedes CEO that no deal is better than a deal, any ideas who will buy the  30,398  mercedes cars that were sold in the UK last year

Once Mercedes start laying off workers it will make it more diffcult for Mercedes to remain in F1 with the expenditure required to maintain a F1 team will Mercedes withdraw from F1 as a result of no deal

[vogie]

8 minutes ago, Mavideol said:

why does the bloc has to compromise, the block doesn't want a deal, thus nothing to compromise, the UK wants a deal they are the ones to compromise

Please tell me you're joking Mavideol, there has been an estimated up to 1million job losses across Europe if its a no deal and "the block doesn't want a deal" basically that says it all about the EU then doesn't it.

Edited October 19, 2020 by vogie

[Mavideol]

20 minutes ago, puipuitom said:

A contract with the British is not even worth the ink it is signed with.

and they complain that China didn't respect the deal with them about HK.... birds of the feather flick together

[Mavideol]

20 minutes ago, puipuitom said:

Correct. I do not like my British friends, some since 1965, will fall in poverty.

I donot like a shock in the EU trade with the UK. Bad for all.

That's why I care. And many inside the EU

Clearly some British .. do not give a damn.

clearly some British, selfish it's only,  me....me....me and myself

[86Tiger]

8 minutes ago, RayC said:

A negotiation is not a competition; it's a discussion with the aim of reaching an agreement. It shouldn't be about 'beating'.

 

Still, if the UK is worse-off in years to come, you'll dismiss it as it as being unimportant. What's important is that we 'beat' the Remainers and the EU. Hooray! 

 

If UK is better off in years to come will you re-assess your advocation EU regulation, bureaucracy and "membership dues" as an anchor around the neck of productive nations?

[Loiner]

4 minutes ago, puipuitom said:

Old contracts ? From where you got that idea ? Your thick Brexiteers-dumb ? It is again braking a contract by the British.

I've never seen a UK fishing quota sale agreement. Do you have a copy of a contract? There are usually a few ways to terminate a contract without breaking it. These type of deals are often for a given period. 

[transam]

2 minutes ago, Mavideol said:

clearly some British, selfish it's only,  me....me....me and myself

Eh, try again, eeer no, I'm going up the pub.....????

[RayC]

9 minutes ago, Loiner said:

The EU will not make a deal "at any price". There's not a lot to negotiate about after that.

You're right for once. The EU won't make a deal "at any price".

9 minutes ago, Loiner said:

 

Yes, beating the Remainers right into the ground is still another objective of all the Brexit process. Nearly there.

But hang the consequences, eh? Let's not worry about the huge division that this has created in the nation. My 52% won; f*"k the others. We don't need 'em.

 

Anyway, Johnson will sort out things later. It will be as easy as agreeing a FTA with the EU.

[Loiner]

5 minutes ago, Mavideol said:

clearly some British, selfish it's only,  me....me....me and myself

As a British bexiteer I would say that it's only me and my countrymen. 

[vogie]

3 minutes ago, Mavideol said:

clearly some British, selfish it's only,  me....me....me and myself

I totally agree with you, if the remainers had not tried to stifle the democratic decision that is Brexit we would all be living in perfect harmony by now and would not be having this conversation, but that's the selfish remainers for you.

[Loiner]

1 minute ago, RayC said:

 

But hang the consequences, eh? Let's not worry about the huge division that this has created in the nation. My 52% won; f*"k the others. We don't need 'em.

 

Remainers and remainerism was a consequence of the referendum. Don't worry though because we won't hang you. As for the division, yes we can do that to your 48%, which we don't need.

[Mavideol]

45 minutes ago, Loiner said:

You can call Boris a clown, or a failed journalist, or a buffoon, or a liar, or anything else you want to. He's still beating your Barnier and Macron. That must hurt a bit doesn't it, beating your best?

He's not bluffing either, is that how your pair are losing the negotiations and being sent home? 

do you know the basic principle of business making deals with different people from different countries with different education, back ground.... a deal it's only good if both parties deal in good faith and a good deal it's only good if good for all the parties involved, if one side tries to underscore the other it will never be a good deal, sooner or later it will come back biting one's rear end, thus always deal in good faith, making a deal it's not or should not be a competition, nobody should try beating the (opponent) other side but instead should try to work together, if one side feels the other side to be dealing in bad faith it all falls as trust will be lost and replaced with distrust/untrustworthy

[Mavideol]

14 minutes ago, vogie said:

Please tell me you're joking Mavideol, there has been an estimated up to 1million job losses across Europe if its a no deal and "the block doesn't want a deal" basically that says it all about the EU then doesn't it.

Vogie are you (again) blaming the block and the EU deal makers for all the jobless people across Europe

[RayC]

5 minutes ago, 86Tiger said:

 

If UK is better off in years to come will you re-assess your advocation EU regulation, bureaucracy and "membership dues" as an anchor around the neck of productive nations?

Yes. 

 

If the UK is relatively poorer in the future, will you reconsider your position advocating being a medium-sized economy outside of the biggest trading bloc in the world?

 

Btw: In terms of productivity, the UK measures up poorly via-a-vis other nations. I imagine that you blame this on the EU constraining the UK (probably a rhetorical question)?

[RayC]

8 minutes ago, vogie said:

I totally agree with you, if the remainers had not tried to stifle the democratic decision that is Brexit we would all be living in perfect harmony by now and would not be having this conversation, but that's the selfish remainers for you.

So democracy amounts to freedom of expression so long as it's what I say/ want?

[Mavideol]

24 minutes ago, dunroaming said:

Always amazes me that the Brexiteers see leaving without a deal as a win when it is a loss for everyone.

thank you, at least we see it the way it is, lose - lose situation but they can't understand that, they keep beating the dead horse

[vogie]

1 minute ago, Mavideol said:

Vogie are you (again) blaming the block and the EU deal makers for all the jobless people across Europe

You stated that the EU is not bothered about a deal which equates to not being bothered about the 1 million EU workers who will lose their jobs, care to re-think your original post?

[RayC]

8 minutes ago, Loiner said:

Remainers and remainerism was a consequence of the referendum. Don't worry though because we won't hang you. As for the division, yes we can do that to your 48%, which we don't need.

Disenfranchising 48% of the population. Might as well do away with the election in 2024 while you're at it.

[RayC]

13 minutes ago, Loiner said:

As a British bexiteer I would say that it's only me and my countrymen. 

Isn't it a bit more specific? "... me and my countrymen" who think like me.

[Mavideol]

21 minutes ago, vinny41 said:

Have you tried to convince the Mercedes CEO that no deal is better than a deal, any ideas who will buy the  30,398  mercedes cars that were sold in the UK last year

Once Mercedes start laying off workers it will make it more diffcult for Mercedes to remain in F1 with the expenditure required to maintain a F1 team will Mercedes withdraw from F1 as a result of no deal

if some one wants to buy a mercedes, audi, porsche or whatever car they want, regardless of deal or no deal they still buy it, they may have to pay some (higher) import duties but their only solution is to blame BJ and his gang, not EU fault is it? who asked to leave, did the EU pushed/forced/kicked the UK out of the EU membership and its advantages, no they didn't,  please, be so kind, don't blame the EU for the UK mistakes