3NUMBAS Posted October 19, 2020 Share Posted October 19, 2020 Health Live coronavirus found on frozen food packaging in China Chinese health authorities investigating a recent Covid-19 outbreak say they have discovered live coronavirus on frozen food packaging, a finding that suggests the virus can survive in cold supply chains. On Saturday the Chinese Centre for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) said it had found traces of live Covid-19 on the outer packing of frozen cod in the eastern coastal city of Qingdao, marking the first time live coronavirus has been detected on the outside of refrigerated goods. Researchers were investigating the source of a recent cluster of cases linked to a hospital in Qingdao. Genetic traces have previously been found in samples of frozen food but no living virus has been isolated before. “It has been confirmed that contact with outer packaging contaminated by the new coronavirus can cause infection,” the agency said in a statement on its website, without specifying where the batch of frozen food came from. China, which until the Qingdao outbreak had recorded no new local cases in 55 days, has been one of few countries to point to possible transmission through frozen food. When Beijing had a second outbreak in June after the virus had been largely contained, officials suggested the new cluster could have come from imported salmon. The US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention have said there has been no evidence that “handling food or consuming food is associated with Covid-19”. New Zealand ruled out the possibility that one of its first infections happened at a cold storage facility. In August China increased inspection requirements for imports of frozen products after traces of the virus were found on frozen chicken wings from Brazil. Researchers have also detected the virus on imported shrimp and other frozen seafood. https://uk.news.yahoo.com/live-coronavirus-found-frozen-food-124709416.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ukrules Posted October 19, 2020 Share Posted October 19, 2020 3 minutes ago, 3NUMBAS said: without specifying where the batch of frozen food came from That means it came from China. Note that when they say it's the first time live virus has been found on food they already banned the sale of salmon from Norway months back because they found virus on it....are they exposing their own lies now? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lacessit Posted October 19, 2020 Share Posted October 19, 2020 It seems this virus loves protein, because many COVID clusters are associated with meatworks. Fish is just another protein variety. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ukrules Posted October 19, 2020 Share Posted October 19, 2020 9 minutes ago, Lacessit said: It seems this virus loves protein, because many COVID clusters are associated with meatworks. Fish is just another protein variety. Cold preserves a virus in much the same way it preserves frozen food. Virus samples are stored at very low temperatures in research facilities to keep them viable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lacessit Posted October 19, 2020 Share Posted October 19, 2020 3 minutes ago, ukrules said: Cold preserves a virus in much the same way it preserves frozen food. Virus samples are stored at very low temperatures in research facilities to keep them viable. Agreed, freezing doesn't kill bacteria either. My hypothesis is based on the observation it's seen in meat and fish? processing areas, haven't heard of any outbreaks in fresh or frozen vegetable stores. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kinnock Posted October 19, 2020 Share Posted October 19, 2020 Let that be a warning to people who inhale cod boxes. Meanwhile, the rest of us can get on with our lives. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ukrules Posted October 19, 2020 Share Posted October 19, 2020 27 minutes ago, Lacessit said: Agreed, freezing doesn't kill bacteria either. My hypothesis is based on the observation it's seen in meat and fish? processing areas, haven't heard of any outbreaks in fresh or frozen vegetable stores. Someone must have breathed it out onto the packaging at some point, hardly a surprise, in the rest of the world outside certain parts of South East Asia this virus is very, very common and widespread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dimitriv Posted October 19, 2020 Share Posted October 19, 2020 13 minutes ago, ukrules said: Someone must have breathed it out onto the packaging at some point, hardly a surprise, in the rest of the world outside certain parts of South East Asia this virus is very, very common and widespread. Rest of the world? 1 hour ago, ukrules said: That means it came from China. Yes, from China. If it came from abroad they would have mentioned it. So China is not as Covid free as they want us to believe... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichCor Posted October 19, 2020 Share Posted October 19, 2020 This doesn't surprise me in the least. The US CDC implicated Raspberries sourced from China to be responsible for several 2019 cruiseship norovirus outbreaks. Enjoy your mixed fruit smoothy! CDC.gov Notes from the Field: Multiple Cruise Ship Outbreaks of Norovirus Associated with Frozen Fruits and Berries — United States, 2019 USA TodayCDC Frozen raspberries were culprit behind 2019 norovirus outbreak on multiple cruises Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kinnock Posted October 19, 2020 Share Posted October 19, 2020 2 hours ago, Lacessit said: It seems this virus loves protein, because many COVID clusters are associated with meatworks. Fish is just another protein variety. The association with meat plants is because of the high noise environment causing people to shout and spread droplets. Add in cold, damp working conditions, shoulder to shoulder working on lines and immigrant labour living in dorms - and you have a perfect environment to spread a droplet-borne viral infection. Finding the virus on food packaging is a reflection of the sensitivity of PCR testing equipment and of little relevance in practice, unless you are trying to show that another country was responsible for your latest clusters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lacessit Posted October 19, 2020 Share Posted October 19, 2020 4 hours ago, Kinnock said: The association with meat plants is because of the high noise environment causing people to shout and spread droplets. Add in cold, damp working conditions, shoulder to shoulder working on lines and immigrant labour living in dorms - and you have a perfect environment to spread a droplet-borne viral infection. Finding the virus on food packaging is a reflection of the sensitivity of PCR testing equipment and of little relevance in practice, unless you are trying to show that another country was responsible for your latest clusters. You may be right, and the correlation I am seeing is not causation. Having said that, the known affinity of coronavirus for lung tissue means we could both be right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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