People warned not to let their guard down with Covid

[placnx]

On 11/6/2020 at 10:01 AM, sandyf said:

Quite. It would be fairly obvious that cramped poverty conditions would create a high risk of disease and the Chinese are being blamed for doing what they have always done.

Other countries have had their problems but blame tends to be proportional to effect rather than cause. Not long ago the UK created disease in cattle through malpractice but it wasn't an infectious airborne disease so not a great deal said.

With the covid outbreak, ebola has become distant memory, how lucky was the world that it wasn't an airborne disease?

Coronavirus is nothing new and if more effort had been put into a vaccine for SARS & MERS the world may well have been better prepared. Instead of trying to put all the blame on the Chinese, it could be said that it was the west that allowed it to happen.

No excuse. China shut down wet markets after SARS, but the effort expired some months later. It's extremely difficult to fight culture. It would help by enforcing cleanliness in these markets rather than banning them. China has also underfunded their CDC posts that were created after SARS. These outposts were I believe created after international pressure.

 

It's true that the US has been derelict in letting its defenses against viral pandemics deteriorate, not to mention the mismanagement by balkanizing the response to a national medical crisis. Nonetheless, China bears the responsibility for not containing this.

 

Apparently previous research on SARS/MERS vaccines helped to accelerate some of the current vaccine programs.

 

If Ebola had transmitted by aerosols, maybe people would have died so fast that the virus would not have gotten as far as it did.

[sandyf]

1 hour ago, placnx said:

It would help by enforcing cleanliness in these markets rather than banning them.

One of the most naive statements seen on this forum.

[Jeffr2]

15 hours ago, sandyf said:

One of the most naive statements seen on this forum.

Not naive at all.  This is what China is trying to do.  Sadly, the elderly population likes getting rare, exotic animals alive, then eat them.  Cleaning up the markets will help, right?

[Sunderland]

On 11/6/2020 at 10:01 AM, sandyf said:

Quite. It would be fairly obvious that cramped poverty conditions would create a high risk of disease and the Chinese are being blamed for doing what they have always done.

Other countries have had their problems but blame tends to be proportional to effect rather than cause. Not long ago the UK created disease in cattle through malpractice but it wasn't an infectious airborne disease so not a great deal said.

With the covid outbreak, ebola has become distant memory, how lucky was the world that it wasn't an airborne disease?

Coronavirus is nothing new and if more effort had been put into a vaccine for SARS & MERS the world may well have been better prepared. Instead of trying to put all the blame on the Chinese, it could be said that it was the west that allowed it to happen.

It doesn't appear that cramped poverty conditions made any impact either way on the virus in Thailand. 

[sandyf]

1 hour ago, Jeffr2 said:

Not naive at all.  This is what China is trying to do.  Sadly, the elderly population likes getting rare, exotic animals alive, then eat them.  Cleaning up the markets will help, right?

What about Europe and US getting covid from Mink.

Trying to attach blame doesn't do any good, every country has failings and it is a case of 'There but for the grace of God.'

[sandyf]

1 hour ago, Sunderland said:

It doesn't appear that cramped poverty conditions made any impact either way on the virus in Thailand. 

Are you trying to say there is no risk of disease among the poor in Thailand?

This is what I said

" It would be fairly obvious that cramped poverty conditions would create a high risk of disease"

[Jeffr2]

25 minutes ago, sandyf said:

What about Europe and US getting covid from Mink.

Trying to attach blame doesn't do any good, every country has failings and it is a case of 'There but for the grace of God.'

https://www.statnews.com/2020/11/05/spread-of-mutated-coronavirus-in-danish-mink-hits-all-the-scary-buttons-but-fears-may-be-overblown/

 

But Bergstrom and others argued that while the virus’s penchant for infecting mink bears watching, it isn’t likely to lead to a nightmare strain that is more effective at infecting people than the current human virus.

[sandyf]

3 minutes ago, Jeffr2 said:

https://www.statnews.com/2020/11/05/spread-of-mutated-coronavirus-in-danish-mink-hits-all-the-scary-buttons-but-fears-may-be-overblown/

 

But Bergstrom and others argued that while the virus’s penchant for infecting mink bears watching, it isn’t likely to lead to a nightmare strain that is more effective at infecting people than the current human virus.

How did people get infected from the mink, no doubt you will blame the danish farmers for a lack of cleanliness.

 

Denmark will cull all its mink - as many as 17 million - after a mutated form of coronavirus that can spread to humans was found on mink farms.

Prime Minister Mette Frederiksen said the mutated virus posed a "risk to the effectiveness" of a future Covid-19 vaccine.

Denmark is the world's biggest producer of mink fur and its main export markets are China and Hong Kong.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-54818615

 

I say the same thing, it would be ironic if the Chinese got it from the mink in the first place.

"Trying to attach blame doesn't do any good, every country has failings and it is a case of 'There but for the grace of God.'"

[Jeffr2]

35 minutes ago, sandyf said:

How did people get infected from the mink, no doubt you will blame the danish farmers for a lack of cleanliness.

 

Denmark will cull all its mink - as many as 17 million - after a mutated form of coronavirus that can spread to humans was found on mink farms.

Prime Minister Mette Frederiksen said the mutated virus posed a "risk to the effectiveness" of a future Covid-19 vaccine.

Denmark is the world's biggest producer of mink fur and its main export markets are China and Hong Kong.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-54818615

 

I say the same thing, it would be ironic if the Chinese got it from the mink in the first place.

"Trying to attach blame doesn't do any good, every country has failings and it is a case of 'There but for the grace of God.'"

Why the deflection to mink and Denmark?

Edited November 8, 2020 by Jeffr2

[sandyf]

5 hours ago, Jeffr2 said:

Why the deflection to mink and Denmark?

There is no deflection, the thread is about covid and there is a lot more to the problem than what China may or may not have done.

[Jeffr2]

26 minutes ago, sandyf said:

There is no deflection, the thread is about covid and there is a lot more to the problem than what China may or may not have done.

Agreed!  One of the biggest problems is covid deniers.  No mask, no social distancing and comparing it to the flu.

 

Hopefully, with Biden in charge, the US can get this under control.  Trump was a disaster.