2 minutes ago, placeholder said:

You probably remember wrongly. The gripes were about the electoral college. But even if some posters here did question the honesty of the vote, it wasn't echoed by Democratic leaders and it certainly wasn't instigated by Hillary Clinton. The hypocrisy here is monumental. Trump supporters accused those who didn't vote for Trump of not accepting the results of the 2016 election. But there was no huge cry of fraud. Now we have Trump supporters doing exactly what they falsely accused Trump's opponents of doing.  

 

No huge cry of fraud? I think someone may have mentioned the possibility of Russian interference, not sure? It faded away quickly LOL 

1 hour ago, PatOngo said:

 

Are you sure? I thought Kanye vs Ivanka!  ????

That's the UFC steel cage match. My money is on Ivanka.. Ha ha ha

 

 

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6 minutes ago, placeholder said:

You probably remember wrongly. The gripes were about the electoral college. But even if some posters here did question the honesty of the vote, it wasn't echoed by Democratic leaders and it certainly wasn't instigated by Hillary Clinton. The hypocrisy here is monumental. Trump supporters accused those who didn't vote for Trump of not accepting the results of the 2016 election. But there was no huge cry of fraud. Now we have Trump supporters doing exactly what they falsely accused Trump's opponents of doing.  

Another example of Republican hypocrisy is bulldozing the appointment of Barrett to the Supreme Court, after the Democrats agreed to wait until after the 2016 election when it was Obama's turn. IMO the only honest Republican left is Mitt Romney, the rest have been infected with Trump's dishonesty.

Contrary to the better interests of the "United States I believe Trump will insist on setting as many dogs loose as he  can purely in retaliation while  extracting as much  taxpayer funded time he  can in escaping to his  Golf courses while he still can. Creditors  may  lock the  gates  as of  21st January!

It can only be hoped that the more rational and self preservative tactics of the  GOP members in general involves avoidance of  being dragged under by failing  to  accommodate a "flailing turtle" .

Such a shame Trump  can not  concede to the fact that his 4 season long personal  pinnacle of "reality shows" has been rejected by a majority of the voting local  audience and the world in general.

Even  the "Trump TV" becomes a reality late night entertainment  might do  well  with re-runs  of  " JR ".

If it is a  cable platform  maybe  Stormy might be  a feature as an alternative  to Maria Bartiromo  on Fox?

Paula White, Trump's so called  spiritual advisor  is in full on mode on the fringes in a  desperate  call  for last  minute salvation of the  nation  invoking  God to strike  down the enemy without evidence of considering God  already has that in progress !

While the est of the world has probably experienced a  quiet  sigh of relief there  still remains the  risk Trump  may try to radically and spitefully inflict himself outside of the confines  of the US.

Russia and China  have  not yet indicated recognition of  Biden  as POTUS Elect despite it seemingly being a  foregone. Perhaps not so much because they await  the  "Official "  confirmation but  in the knowledge Trump  has  60  odd  days to  create  havoc ? ( No pun or  secondary  inference in the use of   "odd ) (Much )lol

 

 

 

 

Just now, PattayaJames said:

 

No huge cry of fraud? I think someone may have mentioned the possibility of Russian interference, not sure? It faded away quickly LOL 

You're wrong again. No one found that Russia committed fraud. Russia's interference consisted of manufacturing fake news and gettin it circulated via bots. And working with certain people to publicize what they hacked. NOT FRAUD.

What Trump supporters are claiming that the actual voting was tampered with.

Will you people ever get it through your heads that "interference" covers a multititude of sins, not all of them criminal, whereas "electoral fraud" refers to a class of crimes. 

6 hours ago, Meat Pie 47 said:

Says Putin

so far Vlad hasn't congratulate Biden as to avoid arguing with his BF Don ..... Xi also no congratulations, Mexico and Brazil as well, meaning all the same ""smart governing minds"" (sarcasm are afraid of Trump's reaction

 

3 minutes ago, PattayaJames said:

 

No huge cry of fraud? I think someone may have mentioned the possibility of Russian interference, not sure? It faded away quickly LOL 

That will come back with a vengeance once the unredacted Mueller report sees the light of day. Barr is toast, along with Trump.

8 minutes ago, EVENKEEL said:

Votes are still being counted.

Indeed they are, and the trend against Trump is strengthening in some states, weakening in others. Your point is?

4 minutes ago, EVENKEEL said:

Votes are still being counted.

But will they change anything or is it just pie in the sky pipe dreams? There must come a time when we have to accept reality. Eg, tomorrow is Tuesday, nothing is going to change that. Will these votes being counted alter the results?

11 minutes ago, EVENKEEL said:

Votes are still being counted.

And every time they're reported Biden's win grows stronger. Give it up, get over it, and all the other things 45 supporters threw at the rest of the US 2016.

12 minutes ago, placeholder said:

You're wrong again. No one found that Russia committed fraud.

 

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Russian national accused of fraud conspiracy aimed at political interference

A Russian national has been charged with a fraud conspiracy related to interference in American politics.

The federal charges were filed in the Eastern District of Virginia. U.S. authorities say Artem Lif<deleted>s, 27, is an employee of the Russian troll factory known as the Internet Research Agency and a manager in a Russian political influence operation called “Project Lakhta.”

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/legal-issues/russian-national-accused-of-fraud-conspiracy-as-part-of-election-interference/2020/09/10/abfda006-f370-11ea-bc45-e5d48ab44b9f_story.html

 

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U.S. Expands Mueller Election-Fraud Case Against 13 Russians

 Updated on November 13, 2019, 4:43 AM GMT+7

• Defense had attacked prosecution’s claims as being too vague
• Alleged conduct interfered with ability to safeguard election

 

American prosecutors expanded an election-fraud case against 13 Russians that was first brought by Special Counsel Robert Mueller, adding details to flesh out how the defendants allegedly defrauded the U.S. by interfering in the 2016 U.S. presidential race.

 

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-11-12/u-s-to-expand-mueller-election-fraud-case-against-13-russians

 

 

Edited November 9, 20205 yr by TallGuyJohninBKK

2 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

Indeed they are, and the trend against Trump is strengthening in some states, weakening in others. Your point is?

They   are   still  counting   votes.  Common sense would dictate all votes be counted before announcing who won.

2 minutes ago, J Town said:

And every time they're reported Biden's win grows stronger. Give it up, get over it, and all the other things 45 supporters threw at the rest of the US 2016.

It's fine if Biden wins, but shouldn't the votes be counted before you announce a winner. 

1 minute ago, EVENKEEL said:

They   are   still  counting   votes.  Common sense would dictate all votes be counted before announcing who won.

No, common sense is that state reporting officials announce the winner when so few voters' ballots are still left that no change would result even if the loser somehow miraculously received 100% of the remainder.

3 minutes ago, EVENKEEL said:

They   are   still  counting   votes.  Common sense would dictate all votes be counted before announcing who won.

even in a typical election year vote counting continues long after election night.

2 minutes ago, EVENKEEL said:

They   are   still  counting   votes.  Common sense would dictate all votes be counted before announcing who won.

"President Trump early Wednesday declared victory in the presidential race against Democratic nominee Joe Biden even as millions of votes were still being counted across multiple states and the president said he would be going to the Supreme Court in an attempt to stop ballot counting."

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/524404-trump-says-hell-go-to-supreme-court-to-stop-votes-from-being-counted

6 minutes ago, J Town said:

And every time they're reported Biden's win grows stronger. Give it up, get over it, and all the other things 45 supporters threw at the rest of the US 2016.

You seem quite angry, that's not healthy.

1 minute ago, EVENKEEL said:

It's fine if Biden wins, but shouldn't the votes be counted before you announce a winner. 

One or two containers?

 

Just now, EVENKEEL said:

You seem quite angry, that's not healthy.

Now that you've been conclusively refuted, you try to make it personal instead. You're not fooling anybody.

2 minutes ago, EVENKEEL said:

You seem quite angry, that's not healthy.

HAHAHA! That's rich! I haven't been this relieved in years. You're the one continuing to grasp at straws.

23 minutes ago, EVENKEEL said:

Votes are still being counted.

and what are the % for Trump and Biden respectively ..... oh surprise, surprise, Biden still has more votes then Trump, keep counting and the margins will grow even more

2 hours ago, Jingthing said:

Unfortunately he can't be physically removed until January 20.

The founders never imagined a president like him.

I can't really blame them. 

Indeed. It takes a pretty sick and twisted imagination to come up with something so preposterous.

30 minutes ago, Mavideol said:

so far Vlad hasn't congratulate Biden as to avoid arguing with his BF Don ..... Xi also no congratulations, Mexico and Brazil as well, meaning all the same ""smart governing minds"" (sarcasm are afraid of Trump's reaction

 

Kim is also holding off congratulating Biden. All of his dictator/strongman friends, and in particular his boss in Moscow, are postponing the inevitable.

7 minutes ago, Phoenix Rising said:

Indeed. It takes a pretty sick and twisted imagination to come up with something so preposterous.

 

"The first reason that the founders created the Electoral College is hard to understand today. The founding fathers were afraid of direct election to the Presidency. They feared a tyrant could manipulate public opinion and come to power. "

https://www.historycentral.com/elections/Electoralcollgewhy.html

 

and Trump loves tweeting

Edited November 9, 20205 yr by Opl

27 minutes ago, EVENKEEL said:

They   are   still  counting   votes.  Common sense would dictate all votes be counted before announcing who won.

Why? When the outcome, even if all the remaining votes went to trump, can't be changed why not simply point that out?

25 minutes ago, EVENKEEL said:

They   are   still  counting   votes.  Common sense would dictate all votes be counted before announcing who won.

Could be you don't know how the outlets actually determine when they make a call. A team of experts determine from what is remaining to count, where they are from and type of ballot. They wait until the surety is 99.7%

30 minutes ago, EVENKEEL said:

They   are   still  counting   votes.  Common sense would dictate all votes be counted before announcing who won.

Common sense indicates if Biden has a lead of 30,000 votes in a state, and there are only 15,000 votes remaining to be counted, even if those votes were all for Trump, Biden has still won. Perhaps logic is not a strong suit of yours.

11 hours ago, OneMoreFarang said:

It matters for the image of the USA worldwide and for a smooth transition period.

But obviously Trump doesn't care about these little details.

The image of the usa worldwide.

 

Guy on the barn door was a little late there.

59 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Why is the judgement of the "poster above" even relevant?

Given your criteria, sounds like those exhaustive investigations would go on for years. Who gets to be President in the meantime? "An audit for each and every vote" Really. That's unhinged.

Being unhinged and total chaos is the political brand of the current to be exiting president. A clear majority has had enough of that noise! In fact a clear majority didn't want it in the first place. Basta!

3 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

Common sense indicates if Biden has a lead of 30,000 votes in a state, and there are only 15,000 votes remaining to be counted, even if those votes were all for Trump, Biden has still won. Perhaps logic is not a strong suit of yours.

Yes that is standard.