Foreign tourism: Could be 2022 before Thailand sees improvement, business media

[Thai Expat 108]

Not going to happen

 

[jerolamo]

let's talk about real facts...

COVID is coronavirus sickness family who is a kind of flue.

COVID doesn't kill really much people, because number of people death is the one who has already one year of life hope and very old one; kind of people who already survive because of science. It is not a pandemic like Ebola or any other well known.

COVID world problem is more like a fear pandemic than a real dangerous virus.

Some countries doesn't test much and then are thinking there is close to no infection (it is totally wrong, COVID is everywhere), some other test a lot and see how many have everywhere, but people who die really because of COVID (and not for an other one problem at first place) are rare, it is between 0.01 to 3% of infected, and because a lot of very old and sick people was infected.

Now look at how many people die every year in each country and do compare with other years... it is very close to the same number, and for some countries, less. That is a FACT, not a fiction.

The fiction is all the panic and fear around who condemn people to loose their life for this flue, loose their job, loose their family, loose their freedom. This pandemic is a freedom pandemic controlled by many authority and influential people with own interested conflict situation.

Many doctors and scientist sign papers to denounce this corruption and excessive decisions to kill medium class and lower class population and solidify position of the world VIP ones, but official media censored this (why ?). The best scientist in concern with virus problem are thinking the same... but they are censored. The one who speak officially are not the best one and all of them in specific own business interest. It is a shame.

The world wide free market show his real face with COVID and doesn't care about life of people, they want them to be slave, they will be because they are becoming very poor.

 

How is it possible to select the people who can enter Thailand because of how much money they can give to 4 and 5 stars hotel and foreign insurance we will be unable to speak with in case of problem at very expensive price (much more expensive than the one usual in high level structures countries) ? How much to be able to paid for be able to come and see our family ?

It is crazy, but i don't think people in charge are crazy or out of reality we are living, they just don't care and are corrupted. They can not ignore our situation and they are breaking the peace in the world.

It is totally disrespectful and abusive, it should stop soon.

[zaZa9]

Could be the 28th of  May 2021 as well !

Im getting tired of this kind of news !

[EricTh]

7 hours ago, Spellforce said:

I the new vaccin is available end of november, mass tourism could come much faster than we think.

(this announcement must has been done before the news about that 90% effective vaccin)

 

90% effective means 10% were dead? Hardly convincing...

 

We need 99% effective.

Edited November 10, 2020 by EricTh

[zaZa9]

8 minutes ago, jerolamo said:

let's talk about real facts...

COVID is coronavirus sickness family who is a kind of flue.

COVID doesn't kill really much people, because number of people death is the one who has already one year of life hope and very old one; kind of people who already survive because of science. It is not a pandemic like Ebola or any other well known.

COVID world problem is more like a fear pandemic than a real dangerous virus.

Some countries doesn't test much and then are thinking there is close to no infection (it is totally wrong, COVID is everywhere), some other test a lot and see how many have everywhere, but people who die really because of COVID (and not for an other one problem at first place) are rare, it is between 0.01 to 3% of infected, and because a lot of very old and sick people was infected.

Now look at how many people die every year in each country and do compare with other years... it is very close to the same number, and for some countries, less. That is a FACT, not a fiction.

The fiction is all the panic and fear around who condemn people to loose their life for this flue, loose their job, loose their family, loose their freedom. This pandemic is a freedom pandemic controlled by many authority and influential people with own interested conflict situation.

Many doctors and scientist sign papers to denounce this corruption and excessive decisions to kill medium class and lower class population and solidify position of the world VIP ones, but official media censored this (why ?). The best scientist in concern with virus problem are thinking the same... but they are censored. The one who speak officially are not the best one and all of them in specific own business interest. It is a shame.

The world wide free market show his real face with COVID and doesn't care about life of people, they want them to be slave, they will be because they are becoming very poor.

 

How is it possible to select the people who can enter Thailand because of how much money they can give to 4 and 5 stars hotel and foreign insurance we will be unable to speak with in case of problem at very expensive price (much more expensive than the one usual in high level structures countries) ? How much to be able to paid for be able to come and see our family ?

It is crazy, but i don't think people in charge are crazy or out of reality we are living, they just don't care and are corrupted. They can not ignore our situation and they are breaking the peace in the world.

It is totally disrespectful and abusive, it should stop soon.

Having said the above , I always enjoy stimulating 'scientific' anaylsis of world changing events delivered to me by Thavisa members ...

[Mayhem11]

This is all apocalyptic thinking. Maybe time for a cold shower. 

[mrmrmred]

8 hours ago, Spellforce said:

I the new vaccin is available end of november, mass tourism could come much faster than we think.

(this announcement must has been done before the news about that 90% effective vaccin)

Highly unlikely now ... all vaccine developments are invalid because of the new strain discovered in Denmark 

[Bkktodd]

7 hours ago, pookondee said:

You need to keep up with the news old fruit.

Pfizer has announced a vaccine they say is tested and 90% effective.

 

Australia is already down for 10million, so who are they gonna give it to, if not the public?

 

Looks like time is up for all the 'prophet of Doom' , Faucci style, scare mongering folks..

 

those who would hide in their basements and restrict anyone else to have a life, just because of their own lack thereof.

 

They could only stretch it so far, especially in all the places that have little (or Zero)

Covid problems.

 

It seems they realise now, the public wont tolerate this BS any longer,

and therefor, whammo..a miracle cure has come along, where previously it was supposedly going to take years of research and testing.

 

Sounds like the ramblings of bunker boy.   

[Bkktodd]

3 hours ago, theonetrueaussie said:

Amazing how the USA election is over, Biden declared winner and MIRACULOUSLY a vaccine now appears within 48 hours......I think I will wait a few years and let all the people that desperately want it take it and be the guniea pigs 

Has Australia opened yet? Allowed its subject to LEAVE no less arrive?  Amazing how non Americans can comment on  US elections that can not  vote mixed with an administration that cares NOTHING about Covid whilst a vaccine was being developed and tested on thousands.  Trump and his infectious swamee wanted the vaccine, ready or not ,BEFORE the elections. He still lost.   Fired   Biden is on it now for science to control this once he can start  20 January 21.  

[Bkktodd]

1 hour ago, EricTh said:

 

90% effective means 10% were dead? Hardly convincing...

 

We need 99% effective.

No. 90 % did not get covid .  10% did of which  99.9% survive.  Dont use thai math please ????  Besides the flu vaccine is 60-70%  effective but most still take it.  

Edited November 10, 2020 by Bkktodd
Add statement regarding flu

[Winky Wilson]

Not to worry. Typical recovery is the Americans and it's allies save the world from invaders whether it's Japanese, Germans, or Pandemics yadadada...Then their is the new era of expansion, Thailand will be the land of smiles again, air quality will decline and Terrorist will resume their operations. Same Same, but different.

[Albert Zweistein]

8 hours ago, nchuckle said:

It’s delusional to imagine domestic tourism can make any meaningful impact to offset the loss of huge foreign tourism ,especially in relation to the now defunct high season. This is only exacerbated by the huge inequality  here where wealth is concentrated in a small section of society. Mass tourism from the average Thai is simply not affordable and only set to worsen as the economy inevitably suffers from the global downturn. The entire infrastructure is centred around foreign tourism and not easy to downgrade to match cheap entertainment venues you might see upcountry. 

Besides Thailand needs the inflow of foreign currency.

[Shaunduhpostman]

If you don't stand up to the fake pandemic, you will never ever have tourists or be able to travel.

[The Now Factor]

1 hour ago, Shaunduhpostman said:

If you don't stand up to the fake pandemic, you will never ever have tourists or be able to travel.

Agreed.I haven't seen one person fall down and die while out n about,nor heard ambulance sirens rushing to pick up the next "victim" and this is supposed to be a pandemic??Sorry i don't see it. In the words of the late great Vince Lombardi "what the hell is going on out there!?"

Edited November 10, 2020 by The Now Factor

[cosmos-john]

It makes me wonder what the Thai government plans to do seeing as they apparently accepted a package from the world bank so I wonder if it's a similar deal to what Belarus turned down. The president of Belarus refused to crash their economy and as a result Soro and the west are painting him as starving his people and pushing for a revolt.

 

The intention of crashing the Thai economy would make sense as it would also fit with the intentions of the world economic forums 'The Great Reset'.

 

Pfizer as someone already mentioned has a 90% success rate but that is only based on 90% of subjects not showing "symptomatic covid-19", also what has been omitted is any comparison to those that were given a placebo.  This means the true value of this experiment is a big fat zero!!

 

During a severe flu season one could expect to see up to 650k individuals succumb due to weakened immune defences so the reality is our normal lives have been re-described as a pandemic.

 

But hail the vax manufacturers who may be making a compulsory vaccination for a cold that has a 90% survival rate and they intend to protect 90% of the remaining 10% but given that there appears to be a 10% failure rate, so then whose ever going to know the difference once they choose to stop counting and take credit for something that probably doesn't work.

 

Get ready to be chosen to be the guinea pigs for the pharmaceutical companies that have already arranged that they cannot be sued if it all goes horribly wrong and especially given that the CDC and the WHO have confirmed that to this date the covid-19 strain has not been isolated.

 

Yes, conspiracies are alive and well and as my professor of political science once told me. 'Imaging your worst conspiracy and it's probably true' and over the years he's been proved correct over and over again. Just like Trump won by a land slide and took the house and senate by closing time...everything changed after voting day.... The media is not our friend...

 

 

[ourmanflint]

9 hours ago, EricTh said:

 

90% effective means 10% were dead? Hardly convincing...

 

We need 99% effective.

Hardly. It means that of the 10% that still caught Covid, mortality will be same as it is now, so less than 1% overall. Simply put, deaths will drop by 90%

[ChipButty]

16 hours ago, BestB said:

IF and its a big IF Thailand keeps doors closed till 2022, by then there will be nothing left to visit.

By then the Jungle will have taken over

[Isaan sailor]

Instead of relentlessly blaring that western currencies are weak—admit that the Baht is out of control.

[kuzmabruk]

17 hours ago, BestB said:

IF and its a big IF Thailand keeps doors closed till 2022, by then there will be nothing left to visit.

Agree 100%.   Just like in 2008 when the global economy collapsed and there was nothing left of it.  Wait!   Wait!   I am wrong, the global economy didn’t collapse.  Shoot, guess Thailand will survive COVID.

[NoshowJones]

15 hours ago, Virt said:

Dump the Thai bath down to July 2008 values and the tourists will flock there once the vaccine is ready ????

Very true, but the soldiers unelected "Government" don't want foreign tourists, don't need foreign tourists, as their income stream is not affected, if it was, you would soon see a big change.

[Mickeem]

8 minutes ago, possum1931 said:

15 hours ago, Virt said:

Dump the Thai bath down to July 2008 values and the tourists will flock there once the vaccine is ready ????

Very true, but the soldiers unelected "Government" don't want foreign tourists, don't need foreign tourists, as their income stream is not affected, if it was, you would soon see a big change.

 

The Sino Thai elite  prefer tourists from the motherland .. that is quite clear

 

[NoshowJones]

1 minute ago, Mickeem said:

 

The Sino Thai elite  prefer tourists from the motherland .. that is quite clear

 

What does Sino mean? Is it an English word?

[NoshowJones]

13 hours ago, tomauasia said:

Can open right now. There's no exuse. Testing is available. 

But the unelected "Governments" personal income streams are not affected, so why should they allow unwashed, no shower, foreign tourists right now?

[tinca tinca]

where do they get figures from, spending figures that is.....they are quoting that Thais spend 140 quid a day. 

I say impossible to do......more fake reporting

[ChakaKhan]

14 hours ago, theonetrueaussie said:

Amazing how the USA election is over, Biden declared winner and MIRACULOUSLY a vaccine now appears within 48 hours

Try  Harder..King Baby has been saying this since MARCH.......rounding the corner x1000000..many are saying!

 

[runamok27]

So now we know Pfizer has a vaccine that is 90% effective for people wearing masks, social distancing and avoiding going outside. The true efficacy of the vaccine will eventually come out in a few years or more. Unfortunately for these vaccine companies this is just the way it is. Their testing data is going to be way overly optimistic and there is nothing they can do about it because no one will volunteer to get the vaccine and then be intentionally infected with the virus. 

 

The regular flu vaccine numbers are terrible but more realistic of what we can expect.

[spidermike007]

Even with a vaccine, and even with the Covid numbers dropping significantly, and even if Thailand loses all of the heinous restrictions, requirement, and hurdles to travel here, tourism will not amount to much next year. 2022 is realistic. And even then, it will be a pale shadow of it's former self. I predict the industry will never return to 30 million tourists a year, in our lifetimes. It is sad, for those in the industry, and for those companies who invested countless trillions of baht in hotels, restaurants, spas, etc.

 

Quality tourism was already declining long before Covid happened. This will just give the simpletons an excuse, and something outside Thailand, to blame it on. Countless mistakes have bene made, and no effort it being made to address any of the issues. None. 

[jerolamo]

14 hours ago, zaZa9 said:

Having said the above , I always enjoy stimulating 'scientific' anaylsis of world changing events delivered to me by Thavisa members ...

Because you only read Thai visa members comments. It is logic.

[Brunolem]

17 hours ago, expat1010 said:

Leading Vaccines will likely start being approved in the West starting in December. Western countries will start vaccinating their populations in January starting with the elderly (over 65 years?) and health care workers. Thailand should be preparing to resume normal travel and visa procedures for those Westerners who have been vaccinated. 

A pipe dream! 

 

We are already mid November and Big Pharma is still in the early testing phase... don't be fooled by the headlines. 

 

There is still mass testing to do, then go through the approval procedure, then to mass production... we are talking months at best... 

[Whale]

Tourism will bounce back quite quickly, there is a demand. The BIG issue is the entry requirements, they are WAY too much for any "tourist".