3 hours ago, Thingamabob said:

Trump is popular and respected outside coastal USA and Western Europe. Time to take the blinkers off, and try to recognize that there's a big wide world outside your myopic bubble.

Not from what I've read, there is also a video on youtube taken unobtrusively of world leaders privately in small groups taking the urine out of trump during conference pauses. He is so uncouth that nobody, in Europe at least, could respect him.

42 minutes ago, CorpusChristie said:

 

   We are currently waiting for any evidence of the allegations  , investigations are underway and the US cannot move forward until these allegations are either proven or shown to be false 

Do you even realise what nonsense you a wrote here? You are not only admitting there there’s no evidence for any of the allegations, you even have the audacity to demand that someone must prove your (unfounded) allegations to be wrong. How about someone spitting out an allegation of you being a [xxx], without any evidence, but “currently waiting for any evidence”, and until you can prove the allegation to be false you are subject to investigation? 
 

What video game fantasy world are you guys living in? 

1 hour ago, Berkshire said:

Just read an article which made me feel a bit sorry for those hapless Trump supporters.  Not only did they just lose an election, but now they have to endure an endless torrent of threatening e-mails/text messages demanding money.

 

[To remedy the prolonged money issues impacting the team's ability to fight past Election Day, the campaign launched an aggressive fundraising operation that includes relentlessly texting and emailing to solicit donations from supporters.]

 

[The campaign has fired off over 150 emails to supporters since Election Day, sometimes maxing out at over 20 emails in a single day, at times seemingly threatening supporters for donations.]

 

["This is your FINAL NOTICE," one email warned. "So far, you've ignored all our emails asking you to join us in DEFENDING THE ELECTION. You've ignored Team Trump, Eric, Lara, Don, the Vice President AND you've even ignored the President of the United States."]

 

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-won-t-back-down-from-legal-war-as-money-woes-and-infighting-rage-sources/ar-BB1aTlNU

As I mentioned before the fine print of these emails say that half of any donated money will be to pay off campaign debts. This is why he is doing this. He is looking to pay off his campaign debts on the pretense of challenging fraud in the election.

2 hours ago, Throatwobbler said:

As I mentioned before the fine print of these emails say that half of any donated money will be to pay off campaign debts. This is why he is doing this. He is looking to pay off his campaign debts on the pretense of challenging fraud in the election.

Any donation under 5k puts 40% into a new super pac. Probably for trumps run in 2024

10 hours ago, CorpusChristie said:

Dems spent four years investigating Trump for collusion with Russia , wonder why they dont want to wait a few weeks for a Biden vote fraud investigation ?

Perhaps because there was strong evidence of the said collusion with Russia, which is backed by the Senate Intelligence Committee's August report. The republican controlled senate determined that the Trump campaign actively sought assistance and as we know Manafort did share information, the tower meeting did happen, Trump's son and son in law were present and the context of that meeting was to get dirt on Hillary Clinton. And then Trump and his people destroyed evidence, lied, and obstructed justice. There was plenty of evidence there to support an investigation. 

There is next to no evidence of voter fraud. Sure the Fox News late night will pop a person or two in front of you but one of those people already walked it back and said they fabricated the story yesterday. He has Bill Barr actively searching, most of those battleground states were controlled by republicans. The counting had cameras in the rooms as it was happening with people present from both parties to watch the the process. Trumps claims of fraud are the actual fraud. He knows it. You know it. McConnell knows it. 

7 hours ago, soalbundy said:

Not from what I've read, there is also a video on youtube taken unobtrusively of world leaders privately in small groups taking the urine out of trump during conference pauses. He is so uncouth that nobody, in Europe at least, could respect him.

but Youtube is not a verified source for backing up speculation...

6 hours ago, Throatwobbler said:

As I mentioned before the fine print of these emails say that half of any donated money will be to pay off campaign debts. This is why he is doing this. He is looking to pay off his campaign debts on the pretense of challenging fraud in the election.

can you provide a verified link to back up your speculation?

10 minutes ago, jcsmith said:

Perhaps because there was strong evidence of the said collusion with Russia, which is backed by the Senate Intelligence Committee's August report. The republican controlled senate determined that the Trump campaign actively sought assistance and as we know Manafort did share information, the tower meeting did happen, Trump's son and son in law were present and the context of that meeting was to get dirt on Hillary Clinton. And then Trump and his people destroyed evidence, lied, and obstructed justice. There was plenty of evidence there to support an investigation. 

There is next to no evidence of voter fraud. Sure the Fox News late night will pop a person or two in front of you but one of those people already walked it back and said they fabricated the story yesterday. He has Bill Barr actively searching, most of those battleground states were controlled by republicans. The counting had cameras in the rooms as it was happening with people present from both parties to watch the the process. Trumps claims of fraud are the actual fraud. He knows it. You know it. McConnell knows it. 

can you provide a verified link to back up your 'perhaps...' personal speculations? 

48 minutes ago, tifino said:

can you provide a verified link to back up your speculation?

They have changed the fine print. It's now to "Save America", without any indication if how it will be used.

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trump-fundraising-save-america-pac-contesting-election-results/story?id=74128659

 

That's what is now on the website (you need to do as if you want to donate in order to see it):

Contributions to TMAGAC made by an Individual/Federal Multicandidate Political Committee will be allocated according to the following formula:

60% of each contribution first to Save America, up to $5,000/$5,000, then to DJTP’s Recount Account, up to a maximum of $2,800/$5,000.

40% of each contribution to the RNC’s Operating account, up to a maximum of $35,500/$15,000.

Any additional funds will go to the RNC for deposit in the RNC’s Legal Proceedings account or Headquarters account, up to a maximum of $213,000/$90,000.

https://www.donaldjtrump.com

Edited November 11, 20205 yr by candide

15 hours ago, ThailandRyan said:

The US's divisiveness is creating a huge vacuum to be filled by someone or something, and the US politicians are to consumed by there own greed and agendas to realize it.  A country can not be a world leader if it can not align itself inside of it's own borders.

And yet you side with the man whos is possibly the most divisive corrosive individual in American history that thrives on division for power...over a man who openly promotes unity and healing in his messages and pledges to be a president for all of America no matter who you voted for or what "color" your state is....

6 hours ago, tifino said:

can you provide a verified link to back up your 'perhaps...' personal speculations? 

 

On the Senate Intel Committee's Report?

You can read the full report here: https://www.intelligence.senate.gov/sites/default/files/documents/Report_Volume2.pdf

Or you can get some highlights here: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/18/us/politics/senate-intelligence-russian-interference-report.html
 

8 minutes ago, Tie Dye Samurai said:

we all know he lost

How do you know..all the votes have yet to be counted...the electoral college has not voted...nor has Congress accepted the results of the EC vote. When all these legally mandated actions occur and Mr. Biden (#NotMyPresident) is certified as having won the election, the GSA official can legally sign the paperwork allowing Biden and his people the use government resources to prepare for his time in office. In the interim, he's free to plan and organize his administration and rent private office space to do it (lots available cheap as Democrat Party officeholders have shutdown much of the economy due to the virus).

23 hours ago, Thingamabob said:

Trump is popular and respected outside coastal USA and Western Europe. Time to take the blinkers off, and try to recognize that there's a big wide world outside your myopic bubble.

 

Damn you've drunk a lot of kool-aid.

 

 

 

Even Xi has got a better rep.

 

 

Further stats: https://www.pewresearch.org/global/2020/09/15/us-image-plummets-internationally-as-most-say-country-has-handled-coronavirus-badly/

A troll post and a reply have been removed

51 minutes ago, Pattaya Spotter said:

How do you know..all the votes have yet to be counted...the electoral college has not voted...nor has Congress accepted the results of the EC vote.

In the same way we (and you) knew trump won shortly after the election in 2016. This really really isn't rocket science so if you're having problems grasping the fundamentals concerning the election process I suggest you educate yourself and come back when you can post more relevant questions.

12 hours ago, tifino said:

but Youtube is not a verified source for backing up speculation...

Actually it depends on who is doing the posting. For example a fox news post is acceptable.

1 hour ago, Pattaya Spotter said:

How do you know..all the votes have yet to be counted...the electoral college has not voted...nor has Congress accepted the results of the EC vote. When all these legally mandated actions occur and Mr. Biden (#NotMyPresident) is certified as having won the election, the GSA official can legally sign the paperwork allowing Biden and his people the use government resources to prepare for his time in office. In the interim, he's free to plan and organize his administration and rent private office space to do it (lots available cheap as Democrat Party officeholders have shutdown much of the economy due to the virus).

Wrong. They can legally sign it now just as been done in the past. That the Trump campaign continues to contest the election has no legal beating at all on the case.

35 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Wrong. They can legally sign it now just as been done in the past. That the Trump campaign continues to contest the election has no legal beating at all on the case.

Wrong...it would be illegal to sign the election acknowledgment documents prematurely. The U.S. is a country of laws...not men. 

Edited November 12, 20205 yr by Pattaya Spotter

4 minutes ago, Pattaya Spotter said:

Wrong...it would be illegal to sign the election acknowledgment documents prematurely. The U.S. is a country of laws...not men. 

False. There is no mention in the law governing transitions about election disputes. Stop making things up. Leave the falsehoods to Trump.

42 minutes ago, Pattaya Spotter said:

The U.S. is a country of laws...not men. 

Despite trump's best efforts.

2 hours ago, Pattaya Spotter said:

How do you know..all the votes have yet to be counted...the electoral college has not voted...nor has Congress accepted the results of the EC vote. When all these legally mandated actions occur and Mr. Biden (#NotMyPresident) is certified as having won the election, the GSA official can legally sign the paperwork allowing Biden and his people the use government resources to prepare for his time in office. In the interim, he's free to plan and organize his administration and rent private office space to do it (lots available cheap as Democrat Party officeholders have shutdown much of the economy due to the virus).

I guess Obama should have done the same thing to Trump then?  Not concede so early, block Trump and his band of criminals from the WH?  Flynn would not be in jail if that happened! LOL

 

Biden is NOT allowed to use government resources right now.  The State Department is holding messages from leaders all over the world.  He's being denied critical resources to get up to speed.

 

Trump and his criminals are playing games while almost 1,500 people died today and almost 150,000 more became infected.  It's criminal what he's doing.

1 hour ago, Pattaya Spotter said:

Wrong...it would be illegal to sign the election acknowledgment documents prematurely. The U.S. is a country of laws...not men. 

Nobody is asking them to sign the election acknowledgement.  Just concede so the next administration can start work.  Trump's been fired.  Time to move on and help those in need.  Something Trump has proven he doesn't care about.  He's done nothing in the past week except Tweet baseless claims about election fraud.  Sad some fall for his lies.

 

https://apnews.com/article/election-2020-joe-biden-donald-trump-al-gore-elections-50d7b2d7186c448e3a8f741bd8152aaf

Biden moves forward without help from Trump’s intel team

 

https://apnews.com/article/ap-explains-fail-prove-election-fraud-d0f13ae6ca370c8716706d3f7d85659e

EXPLAINER: Trump’s challenges fail to prove election fraud

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/11/11/trumps-election-challenge-looks-like-scam-line-his-pockets/

Trump’s election challenge looks like a scam to line his pockets

Trump's sore winners make even worse losers: Why his loss is inflaming an already delusional base

 

"Turn on Fox News any random night, and it's a full blown whine-fest about how alleged "elites" are trying to control them and ruin their lives. The fact that their party controls most state governments, the White House, the Senate and the federal courts never factors in. The narrative is one of perpetual victimhood."

54 minutes ago, Phoenix Rising said:

Trump's sore winners make even worse losers: Why his loss is inflaming an already delusional base

 

"Turn on Fox News any random night, and it's a full blown whine-fest about how alleged "elites" are trying to control them and ruin their lives. The fact that their party controls most state governments, the White House, the Senate and the federal courts never factors in. The narrative is one of perpetual victimhood."

4 years ago they bitched about Dems whining about the loss and not accepting it.  Now?  They're doing the same thing.  Bitching about losing and not accepting it.  Stunning people don't see this.  Or care about it.

3 hours ago, placeholder said:

Actually it depends on who is doing the posting. For example a fox news post is acceptable.

Acceptable, but a terrible source for unbiased news.

4 minutes ago, Jeffr2 said:

Acceptable, but a terrible source for unbiased news.

It's biased but the information it offers is factual at least. Whereas most of the sources the Trumpers rely on just make things up.

53 minutes ago, Jeffr2 said:

4 years ago they bitched about Dems whining about the loss and not accepting it.  Now?  They're doing the same thing.  Bitching about losing and not accepting it.  Stunning people don't see this.  Or care about it.

Far from the same, no recounts, no courts in 2016. They were whining in 2016, but unjustified.

1 hour ago, Jeffr2 said:

4 years ago they bitched about Dems whining about the loss and not accepting it.  Now?  They're doing the same thing.  Bitching about losing and not accepting it.  Stunning people don't see this.  Or care about it.

It isn't even the same thing. Democrats bitched about the electora system. Not the validity of the vote. And then Trump supporters went on to claim that Democrats were opposing Trump's program because they couldn't accept the results of the election. 'As though it were a unique event that the oppositio party opposes a President. Just nuts. And it should be pointed out when it came time for the Covid relief bill, Democrats supported it more strongly than did Republicans.

18 minutes ago, placeholder said:

It's biased but the information it offers is factual at least. Whereas most of the sources the Trumpers rely on just make things up.

Ummm....no....Fox is not factual all the time.

 

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/fox-news/

Overall, we rate Fox News strongly Right-Biased due to editorial positions and story selection that favors the right. We also rate them Mixed factually and borderline Questionable based on poor sourcing and the spreading of conspiracy theories that later must be retracted after being widely shared. Further, Fox News would be rated a Questionable source based on numerous failed fact checks by hosts and pundits, however, straight news reporting is generally reliable, therefore we rate them Mixed for factual reporting.