Government liberalises sale and possession of category II narcotics

[Bradmeister]

▪︎ For the benefit of the government ?

 

I'm thinking: "The <deleted> is about to hit the fan!" 

 

Military and Police applications for enhanced/induced aggression and authoritarian hostilities. 

 

Yes, we read about this in WWI and WWII.

 

 Hitler, Moussolini, and Stalin... all Speedball users. 

 

 

 

[Thebigo]

Having 6 herniated discs from a car accident,  I always worried about traveling with perscribed oxycodone in Thailand.  Will this loosen up the restrictions in my case?

[Gandtee]

10 hours ago, webfact said:

Government liberalises sale and possession of category II narcotics

By THE NATION

 

 

A new Public Health Ministry regulation allows the sale and possession of category II narcotics under the Narcotic Act BE 2522 (1979).

 

An announcement to the effect was published in the Royal Gazette website on Monday.

 

Category II comprises 102 ordinary narcotics, such as morphine, cocaine, codeine, medicinal opium, and fresh opium.

 

Under the ministerial regulation, the permit to sell category II narcotics will be granted to applicants for the following purposes:

 

▪︎ Medical treatment or disease prevention in patients or animals;

 

▪︎ Medical or scientific analysis or study;

 

▪︎ For the benefit of the government.

 

The permit to possess category II narcotics will be granted to applicants for the following purposes:

 

▪︎ Manufacturing of category III narcotics, which are in the form of medicinal formula and contain narcotics of category II as ingredients in accordance with the rules prescribed by the minister, such as cough medicine, diarrhoea medicine;

 

▪︎ Used as an example for educational purposes;

 

▪︎ Medical or scientific analysis or study;

 

▪︎ For the benefit of the government;

 

▪︎ For providing first aid or in case of emergency in public transport ships or aeroplanes operating on international routes that are registered in the Kingdom.

 

This regulation will be effective 240 days after the date of announcement in the Royal Gazette.

 

Source: https://www.nationthailand.com/news/30398079

 

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For the benefit of the government? Does that mean members won't have to rely on obtaining illegal drugs? ????

[sambum]

10 hours ago, bluesofa said:

Meet your new crack dealer  - the Thai government.

 

I think you beat every body else on TV to that one! WD!

[Ty Hareways]

Surprised Ketamine's not on the list,seems there's quite a lot of that hanging around in a warehouse just outside Bangkok.

[sambum]

Tourist revenue down?  How come I did not see "TAT"  mentioned in this article?

[JimiHen]

I heard of the term “ Operation Warp Speed  “ for the invention of a Covid vaccine. 
 

This must be the Thai Governments
“ Operation Speedball “ for the afore mentioned drugs ???? ????

[Sheryl]

8 hours ago, connda said:

@Sheryl  Would this possibly open up the wider use of narcotics such as morphine for end-of-life palliative care outside of provincial government hospitals.  Like possibly government hospitals at the amphur level finally being allowed to procure and prescribe Cat II narcotics for the suffering of terminal patients under the hospital's care?

 

They already can. Certainly nothing in the law precludes it, the only (prior) restriction wad to hospitals (any type/level).

 

There may be some district level hospitals that simply choose not to order/stock it. But it has never been a legal constraint for any hospital to have and prescribe it.

 

If the wording in the article is correct (something that can never be assumed here) it might now become possible for pharmacies with a grade I pharmacist on duty to sell it, but not totally clear.

 

 

 

[PEE TEE]

1 hour ago, Walter Travolta said:

I dont have facts as it was a comment based from what I see/witness/experience through friends who have vaped, along with Vape shops not hanging around long (some succeed obviously) 
As for your statement saying cigarette sales have gone down and vape sales have risen, I agree. Thats because there is simply a 'new' product competing with cigarette sales. If cigars were new on the market I would expect the same. My point about them being a fad is that people try it and then go back to cigs from what I have witnessed

i appreciate your comments . yes some do go back for myself i was smoking 60 a day 8 years ago .i tried a cheap e  cig  which was not enough to satisfy . then bought a more expensive one i never had another giggy since and i know thousands of others have done the same . it's a controversial subject  and open to opinions. one fact is it is 95% safer than normal cigarettes. one  cigarette contains at least 4000 chemicals  legal vaping juice contains 4 . i make my own so know whats in it . have a nice evening thanks    

[sncoem]

Where can we by them please ?

 

[Mayhem11]

I think I would like a list of medical complaints for which these drugs are prescribed. Purely out of interest, off course.

[Marcel woods]

I need to snort a few lines of coke to help me study for my driving test, sounds great. Ill drop a brown envelope into the government on arrival 

[Magenta408]

To hasten your deaths by overdose, reckless damage of organ, promulgation of violence and theft, addiction without any plan to rehabilitate, suicides upon reckless withdrawals. NO this is NOT the time.

[pacovl46]

Right now the only people who really profit from illegal drugs are criminals, amongst them drug syndicates and terror organizations like Al Quadea and ISIS. Plus, there’s lots of turf wars going on in countries like the USA and in all countries in which drugs are illegal you have procurement crimes. Prisons are filled due to drug related crimes and the judicial system is completely overloaded. A lot of addicts have to resort to procurement crimes or prostitution to make ends meet and therefore become social outcasts because the money they would be making with a job isn’t enough to feed the monkey! On top of that no one knows exactly how many drug addicts there are and which diseases are spreading amongst the users. 
 
If it was up to me, I’d legalize all drugs, have the government produce them, tax them and sell them so cheaply through pharmacies to anyone who is 18+ years of age, that essentially anyone with a regular job could afford to get hooked and still be a productive member of society, which right now clearly is not the case! I would also couple each sale with an anonymous form that needs to be filled in and a mandatory health check once a year.
 
This would’ve the following effects:
 
1. None of the criminal entities would profit from the drug trade anymore because why would one buy the cut up stuff on the streets when they can get the real deal for a lot less in a pharmacy.
 
2. Since the drug gangs aren’t making any money on the streets anymore there’s no reason for turf wars, therefore drug street crime would be reduced to almost zero essentially over night. This would also alleviate the rampant overcrowding issues in prisons and the overload drug crimes put on the judicial system.
 
3. Since the drugs could be afforded by essentially anyone with a job procurement crime would go way down as well.
 
4. The government wouldn’t have to spend outrageous amounts of tax money on the war on drugs that simply can’t be won. The US have been trying for decades and they didn’t even put a dent in it and the staff that’s busy fighting drugs could be doing much more important things, like policing the streets or national security.
 
5. Instead of spending money on a war that can’t be won, the state would actually make money through taxes which could then be spend on large scale anti drug seminars in every classroom in every school once a year, starting from primary 1! And I would make those as disgusting as possible, take the stinky heroin junkie or meth head with no teeth from the street straight into the classroom and show them what those type of drugs do to you.
 
6. The anonymous form in the pharmacy will also produce real numbers in terms of which gender of what age group buys which drug in what amounts and the health checks will show which diseases spread or don’t spread amongst users, instead of the guesstimates we have right now! 
 
Now, a lot of people have a problem with a country selling and profiting from drug sales because they think it’s immoral. To that I say, what about alcohol and nicotine?! If I wanted to become an alcoholic I could do so legally and with every bottle I buy the government  makes money, with every visit to the doctor I need because I’m an alcoholic the government makes money, if I then decide to go into rehab the government makes money and with every medication I need the government  makes money because everything is taxed and the same goes for cigarettes and cancer treatments caused by smoking amongst numerous other health issues, so where’s the morality then?
 
The other counter argument is that a lot of people seem to think that if drugs get legalized that everyone will get hooked. To that I say again alcohol and cigarettes. If that was the case then everyone would be an alcoholic smoker, but that’s clearly not the case! So that argument doesn’t hold any water at all. Clear evidence for that is Portugal! They decriminalized small amounts of all drugs because they had a massive heroin problem in the late 90s. The effect of decriminalization was overwhelmingly positive. If you’re interested in that then please google it because it’s way too much information for this post.
 
The reality is, there have always been people who want to take drugs and there always will be people who want to take drugs and as long as that demand is there, there will always be people who will satisfy it because there’s huge amounts of money to be made with it and there’s nothing at all a country can do to stop it! Desperate times require desperate measures and legalization is clearly the way lesser evil then what is going on right now! As a matter of fact, it’s the ONLY way that actually makes sense! 

[dallen52]

Gotta love them...

Item 3 makes me laugh.

For the benefit of the government. 

 

No work, no jobs, poverty.

So legalize class 2 narcotics. 

 

Hopefully my tramadol will be ott again now...

[dallen52]

17 hours ago, Keesters said:

Well that's it. Thailand is now officially insane. 

I think we all thought the power people were on something..

Now it will be legal...lol

 

[sansaihashbars]

Well this is really weird news. I wonder what prompted this strange decision all of the sudden...what is the motive for such a declaration and as usual, who is going to profit from this move?

[johnarth]

wow who gains here? remains to be seen

[dassyurus]

"▪︎ For the benefit of the government. "

I can see how this helps the economy!! Next headline will read

"Brown paper bag industry saves economy"

[elgenon]

I remember my Thai friends getting their pot from the police. The soldiers controlled it.

 

How can I make the case that my use of the drugs benefits the government? That's the important question.

[Dene16]

On 11/17/2020 at 3:15 AM, webfact said:

A new Public Health Ministry regulation allows the sale and possession of category II narcotics under the Narcotic Act BE 2522 (1979).

 

Call me sceptical, but why do i think,ultimately,  that this is an attempt to change the course of justice in regards to a certain drink's tycoon

[Walter Travolta]

18 hours ago, PEE TEE said:

i appreciate your comments . yes some do go back for myself i was smoking 60 a day 8 years ago .i tried a cheap e  cig  which was not enough to satisfy . then bought a more expensive one i never had another giggy since and i know thousands of others have done the same . it's a controversial subject  and open to opinions. one fact is it is 95% safer than normal cigarettes. one  cigarette contains at least 4000 chemicals  legal vaping juice contains 4 . i make my own so know whats in it . have a nice evening thanks    

 

I smoke rolling tobacco and instead of using a filter, I use a roach. I can have a normal cigarette from a packet of 20 and I will be coughing and my throat will be itchy/irritated from that one cigarette and that has a filter! I think the chemicals in packet cigarettes (inc the filter) are astronomical. Plus when you roll your own, the roll up dies out if you stop puffing on it and you just go back to it, where a cig from a pack just burns down. 
I convinced a friend to go onto rolling (he had smoked it before, he is in his 70s!!) because I find I cough so much less and he did and found the same outcome. Problem is he went back onto packet cigs as he got tired of rolling them!

[UdonRoy]

I wonder if this means that people with chronic ailments will now have access to the appropriate medication?

It is barbaric that people with

debilitating pain are offered the woefully inadequate Tramadol and nothing more. 

[Abmong]

I'm gonna start a business going around schools to demonstrate to students what a person looks like when high.

That's educational right?

[kiwikeith]

On 11/17/2020 at 4:25 PM, bluesofa said:

Meet your new crack dealer  - the Thai government.

 

Will this mean that the Red Bull brats charges will be dropped, or that the older law will apply 

[Keesters]

On 11/17/2020 at 1:54 PM, yellowboat said:

A government for the government by the government.   At least they are honest about not being for the people.

I recall a long time ago being involved in a proposed software piracy law here. Excluded were the government and all its agencies. 

[JCauto]

On 11/17/2020 at 10:28 AM, bluesofa said:

Why do I imagine he must be overseeing the whole affair?

Finally! A qualified Minister undertaking the work he really understands! And yet, you complain? 

[unblocktheplanet]

O-boy! O-tea!

[metisdead]

Some off topic posts and replies have been removed.

 

A post with a link to Bangkok Post was removed as per forum rules. 

[Gandtee]

On 11/17/2020 at 8:54 PM, Ty Hareways said:

Surprised Ketamine's not on the list,seems there's quite a lot of that hanging around in a warehouse just outside Bangkok.

Yes there are. No there aren't. Yes there are. No there aren't. Look behind you!! Pantomime season is here again. But then it's always pantomime season in Thailand.????