1 hour ago, teatime101 said:

... there is no evidence of "dishonest and malevolent people (trying) to fiddle the figures and outcomes"

 

Other than the current President and his "team".

1 hour ago, xylophone said:

Maybe you don't consider stealing money from a charity, a crime..........

 

Trump Pays $2 Million to 8 Charities for Misuse of Foundation
Under a settlement, the president admitted he had used his charity to bolster his campaign and settle business debts.
President Trump has paid $2 million to eight charities as part of a settlement in which the president admitted he misused funds raised by the Donald J. Trump Foundation to promote his presidential bid and pay off business debts, the New York State attorney general said on Tuesday.
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/12/10/nyregion/trump-foundation-lawsuit-attorney-general.html 

 Many accusation on this thread that Trump is a criminal! Trump has never been convicted of a crime! A law suit is not a crime! 

I been through this before  ,the judge(Justice Saliann Scarpulla) on this case is a civil law justice she  only hears civil cases!

"A civil lawsuit is, essentially, any case that is not a criminal case. Civil lawsuits help protect, enforce, or fix the private rights of citizens".

 

 

I wish you would all factcheck your erroneous assertions  and stop with the made up nonsense!

https://ag.ny.gov/press-release/2019/ag-james-secures-court-order-against-donald-j-trump-trump-children-and-trump

 

https://ag.ny.gov/press-release/2019/donald-j-trump-pays-court-ordered-2-million-illegally-using-trump-foundation

 

"She was elected to the Civil Court in 2001. While in Civil Court Justice Scarpulla presided over civil, commercial landlord-tenant, no-fault, pro se and small claims actions".

http://ww2.nycourts.gov/courts/comdiv/ny/newyork_bio_scarpulla.shtml#:~:text=Justice Scarpulla returned to the,se and small claims actions.

https://www.castlelaw-kc.com/faqs/what-s-the-difference-between-a-criminal-lawsuit-and-civil-lawsuit-.cfm#:~:text=Civil lawsuits occur when individuals,Penalties.

https://www.google.com/search?q=is+a+law+suit+a+crime&pws=0&gl=us&gws_rd=cr

 

 

 

Edited November 20, 20205 yr by riclag
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1 hour ago, Phoenix Rising said:

Judging by what comes out of his mouth I don't think there's much left that could leak.

 

Mental diarrhoea ...

56 minutes ago, riclag said:

 Many accusation on this thread that Trump is a criminal! Trump has never been convicted of a crime! A law suit is not a crime! 

I been through this before  ,the judge(Justice Saliann Scarpulla) on this case is a civil law justice she  only hears civil cases!

"A civil lawsuit is, essentially, any case that is not a criminal case. Civil lawsuits help protect, enforce, or fix the private rights of citizens".

 

 

I wish you would all factcheck your erroneous assertions  and stop with the made up nonsense!

https://ag.ny.gov/press-release/2019/ag-james-secures-court-order-against-donald-j-trump-trump-children-and-trump

 

https://ag.ny.gov/press-release/2019/donald-j-trump-pays-court-ordered-2-million-illegally-using-trump-foundation

 

"She was elected to the Civil Court in 2001. While in Civil Court Justice Scarpulla presided over civil, commercial landlord-tenant, no-fault, pro se and small claims actions".

http://ww2.nycourts.gov/courts/comdiv/ny/newyork_bio_scarpulla.shtml#:~:text=Justice Scarpulla returned to the,se and small claims actions.

https://www.castlelaw-kc.com/faqs/what-s-the-difference-between-a-criminal-lawsuit-and-civil-lawsuit-.cfm#:~:text=Civil lawsuits occur when individuals,Penalties.

https://www.google.com/search?q=is+a+law+suit+a+crime&pws=0&gl=us&gws_rd=cr

 

 

 

Trump to Pay $2 Million in Damages for Illegal Activity During 2016 Election 

 

 

So stealing funds collected on behalf of a charity and using them to pay his own bills is not a crime? But it is illegal so "against the law".

 

Phrase it any way you like, but it is the way that a crook operates, like it or not.

3 minutes ago, xylophone said:

Trump to Pay $2 Million in Damages for Illegal Activity During 2016 Election 

 

So stealing funds collected on behalf of a charity and using them to pay his own bills is not a crime? But it is illegal so "against the law".

 

Phrase it any way you like, but it is the way that a crook operates, like it or not.

 

You should look into Biden's Cancer Charity.

8 hours ago, soalbundy said:

Don't underestimate this criminal and his sycophants. Bad blood has been stirred up in the house, the senate and the whole country, division and hatred is the order of the day and this will make governing for Biden extremely difficult.

Isn't this normal in politics this is close say 50% for and 50% against Both of them .

All politicians are  bad  They lie and cheat and dig up dirt on each other . 

What you're saying  about DT Others will say that about  JB .

Because You don't like DT there's no reason to shoot of your Bad mouth.

DT might be a Rough but he done things no other could /would do.  ????

So apart from Giuliani's hair dye, no one took anything else from the press conference? 

Doesn't raise any questions for anyone?

Still believing it to be "the most secure election in history''?

7 hours ago, mfd101 said:

What a ghastly process it all is. All Usofans should be ashamed that they have an antique jerry-built electoral system that encourages dishonest and malevolent people to fiddle the figures and outcomes.

Well it is working , Trump is trying hard to steal the election but not getting anywhere.

4 minutes ago, digger70 said:

Isn't this normal in politics this is close say 50% for and 50% against Both of them .

All politicians are  bad  They lie and cheat and dig up dirt on each other . 

What you're saying  about DT Others will say that about  JB .

Because You don't like DT there's no reason to shoot of your Bad mouth.

DT might be a Rough but he done things no other could /would do.  ????

You think likening Trump to Hitler is a good thing ?

7 hours ago, riclag said:

Criminal exactly what crimes has he been convicted of! Sources please

Patience dear boy , patience.

3 hours ago, teatime101 said:

It's a truly horrible system no question, but there is no evidence of "dishonest and malevolent people (trying) to fiddle the figures and outcomes"

Apart from Trump and his White House monkeys !

2 minutes ago, digger70 said:

DT might be a Rough but he done things no other could /would do

Well you've certainly got that right because I don't know anyone else in that position who would tell the American people in excess of 25,000 lies.

 

In addition he ignored the warning about the virus and just let things ride for three months until it was too late to stop it rampaging through the country, and even then he ridiculed people for wearing masks. Estimates have it that many tens of thousands of American lives could have been saved if he had acted earlier.

 

He ignored the advice of medical professionals and it has cost the country dearly. 

 

He took millions upon millions of dollars out of the budget to build his wall, which has been a complete and utter failure and a complete waste of money.

 

He gave tax cuts which benefited his wealthy friends and did very little, if anything to benefit the lower income folks.

 

He has boasted about being able to "grab pussy" because of his wealth and position, not to mention the fact that he has done the dirty on his wife a few times.

 

He has driven a wedge between the two parties, falsely labelling the Democrats as "commies" and has also pandered to right-wing groups.

 

And I won't mention his low level of intelligence along with "covfefe", "Yo Semite", "climate change is a hoax", "the possibility of using disinfectant to fight the virus" and asking if Finland was part of Russia.......and many more. In my opinion he has the intelligence level of a pickled squid.

 

I suppose I could go on for the rest of the thread, however I'm sure you get the picture by now. But then again if you are a trump supporter, you obviously won't!
 

3 minutes ago, PattayaJames said:

 

Only imbeciles partake in such things.

Defending Trump ?

I agree !

3 minutes ago, xylophone said:

Well you've certainly got that right because I don't know anyone else in that position who would tell the American people in excess of 25,000 lies.

 

In addition he ignored the warning about the virus and just let things ride for three months until it was too late to stop it rampaging through the country, and even then he ridiculed people for wearing masks. Estimates have it that many tens of thousands of American lives could have been saved if he had acted earlier.

 

He ignored the advice of medical professionals and it has cost the country dearly. 

 

He took millions upon millions of dollars out of the budget to build his wall, which has been a complete and utter failure and a complete waste of money.

 

He gave tax cuts which benefited his wealthy friends and did very little, if anything to benefit the lower income folks.

 

He has boasted about being able to "grab pussy" because of his wealth and position, not to mention the fact that he has done the dirty on his wife a few times.

 

He has driven a wedge between the two parties, falsely labelling the Democrats as "commies" and has also pandered to right-wing groups.

 

And I won't mention his low level of intelligence along with "covfefe", "Yo Semite", "climate change is a hoax", "the possibility of using disinfectant to fight the virus" and asking if Finland was part of Russia.......and many more. In my opinion he has the intelligence level of a pickled squid.

 

I suppose I could go on for the rest of the thread, however I'm sure you get the picture by now. But then again if you are a trump supporter, you obviously won't!
 

 

I don't know about 25,000 lies but you probably have at least 25 in that post which is pretty good going.

3 minutes ago, PattayaJames said:

 

I don't know about 25,000 lies but you probably have at least 25 in that post which is pretty good going.

List the 25 lies please.

13 minutes ago, joecoolfrog said:

List the 25 lies please.

 

Well even your own left wing propaganda press don't claim 25,000 lies, it's false or misleading claims.

 

I could go on past your opening statement, but I do not have the time or the inclination.  

2 minutes ago, PattayaJames said:

 

Well even your own left wing propaganda press don't claim 25,000 lies, it's false or misleading claims.

 

I could go on past your opening statement, but I do not have the time or the inclination.  

Actually , like your hero , you ain't got nothing ! My deepest sympathy for your loss ...lol

It's pretty much over except for the tears.  And if the far-left has their way, then the round up and persecution of all Trump supporters.  <sigh> 

35 minutes ago, digger70 said:

Isn't this normal in politics this is close say 50% for and 50% against Both of them .

All politicians are  bad  They lie and cheat and dig up dirt on each other . 

What you're saying  about DT Others will say that about  JB .

Because You don't like DT there's no reason to shoot of your Bad mouth.

DT might be a Rough but he done things no other could /would do.  ????

He isn't just 'rough', a loveable scoundrel, he is an uncouth, lying, criminal who has made a mockery of your country, he hasn't an ounce of dignity or class. Yes, there will be people who will disagree with Biden, that is normal in politics, but Biden won't bluster and threaten, he has, like Obama, dignity. The republican ex president Bush has said that Biden is a good man, an honest man, nothing past his lips about Trump except to say he should concede.

13 minutes ago, PattayaJames said:

 

Well even your own left wing propaganda press don't claim 25,000 lies, it's false or misleading claims.

 

I could go on past your opening statement, but I do not have the time or the inclination.  

 

13 minutes ago, PattayaJames said:

 

Well even your own left wing propaganda press don't claim 25,000 lies, it's false or misleading claims.

 

I could go on past your opening statement, but I do not have the time or the inclination.  

Well you trump supporters would certainly know a lot about false and misleading claims AND please don't dig the hole any deeper! Couldn't stand to hear a grown man cry!!

 

"As of Aug. 27, the tally in our database that tracks every errant claim by the president stood at 22,247 claims in 1,316 days," explains the article, going on to postulate that during this home stretch of the election campaign season, Trump is averaging around 50 bald-faced, publicly proclaimed lies per day.

The piece is careful to note the importance of that date at the end of August: Trump spews so many objectively false statements on a daily basis that those working on the project are now facing a massive backlog of inaccuracies, and struggling to catch up. And by the time the project does catch up, the number will exceed 25,000.
https://www.inputmag.com/culture/fact-checkers-cant-keep-up-with-trumps-growing-lie-count-25k 

Edited November 20, 20205 yr by xylophone

1 hour ago, riclag said:

 Many accusation on this thread that Trump is a criminal! Trump has never been convicted of a crime! A law suit is not a crime! 

I been through this before  ,the judge(Justice Saliann Scarpulla) on this case is a civil law justice she  only hears civil cases!

"A civil lawsuit is, essentially, any case that is not a criminal case. Civil lawsuits help protect, enforce, or fix the private rights of citizens".

 

The point is that a segment of the progressive far-left wants show trials for Trump, his appointees, his cabinet, and his supporters.  And my guess is that the DNC would just step aside and allow that genie to escape its bottle.
The soft version can be found by searching online for The Trump Accountability Project or by reading articles published on main-stream sources such as

Politico, The Washington Examiner, and The New York Post.  Look at posts by far-leftists on Twitter and you start encounters extremely disturbing posts calling for the incarceration and re-education of anyone associated with Trump including anyone who voted from Trump. 

This is pretty sick stuff.

 

31 minutes ago, connda said:

It's pretty much over except for the tears.  And if the far-left has their way, then the round up and persecution of all Trump supporters.  <sigh> 

First denial , then fear , what's next ?

24 minutes ago, PattayaJames said:

 

OK thanks, not 25,000 lies then, 22,247 errant claims as adjudicated by left wing idiots with nothing better to do with their time. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Yeh they really should spend that time on forums , denying reality and spreading falsehoods.

28 minutes ago, connda said:

The point is that a segment of the progressive far-left wants show trials for Trump, his appointees, his cabinet, and his supporters.  And my guess is that the DNC would just step aside and allow that genie to escape its bottle.
The soft version can be found by searching online for The Trump Accountability Project or by reading articles published on main-stream sources such as

Politico, The Washington Examiner, and The New York Post.  Look at posts by far-leftists on Twitter and you start encounters extremely disturbing posts calling for the incarceration and re-education of anyone associated with Trump including anyone who voted from Trump. 

This is pretty sick stuff.

 

Yep I have seen a lot of insane posts on Twitter!

39 minutes ago, connda said:

The point is that a segment of the progressive far-left wants show trials for Trump, his appointees, his cabinet, and his supporters.  And my guess is that the DNC would just step aside and allow that genie to escape its bottle.
The soft version can be found by searching online for The Trump Accountability Project or by reading articles published on main-stream sources such as

Politico, The Washington Examiner, and The New York Post.  Look at posts by far-leftists on Twitter and you start encounters extremely disturbing posts calling for the incarceration and re-education of anyone associated with Trump including anyone who voted from Trump. 

This is pretty sick stuff.

 

"Look at posts by far-leftists on Twitter and you start encounters extremely disturbing posts..."

And if you look at posts by far-"rightists" you're not?

 

If you're actively looking for sick stuff (left or right) you're gonna find it. The internet is both a treasure trove and a garbage bin so for someone who's into hyperbole like yourself it must be such a pleasure for you to fire up Mr Google and type in the search words that guarantee you will strike paydirt.

Edited November 20, 20205 yr by Phoenix Rising

7 hours ago, Eric Loh said:

For a moment I thought the cerebrum fluid that control thinking and intelligence was leaking. 

Long gone - been running on empty for some time now!

2 hours ago, PattayaJames said:

 

You should look into Biden's Cancer Charity.

 

Oh wow!... So Donald never did drain ANY swamp as he promised, eh?

I really wonder what you poor, sad people are going to do in the future. Really? Those of you who have done nothing but project hate, disdain, vitriol, pejoratives, and curses at anything and everything that is written or spoken about a reality TV show star and businessman who managed to get himself elected instead of the Democrat who was suppose to win.  Four years.  And ya'll aren't tired yet.  You still have plenty of energy to project even more hate and rage for how long.  A few more months? A year?  Until people are jailed.  How about publicly executed.  When can you resolve the 2016 election in your own heads?  What's it going to take?
I pity you folks.  Normal, mature people may not like the outcome of an election, but when its over you accept the outcome and move on.  They'll be a whole lot of disappointed Trump supporters, but most will accept the outcome and do just that - move on.  Those of you who hate Trump so deeply will I imagine continue to call for division, discontents, trials, punishments, persecutions while mocking all who are politically right of you with utter loathing and hate.

Honestly.  Where do you think that ends?  Are you planning on trying to heal the divide, or do you plan to continue to pour gasoline on it then toss matches.
If I was a betting man I drop a quid on the latter.
Best of luck.  Enjoy stoking the fires. 

3 hours ago, joecoolfrog said:

You think likening Trump to Hitler is a good thing ?

Where did you get cr@p from? You are quoting that Not me .Get Real.

3 hours ago, xylophone said:

Well you've certainly got that right because I don't know anyone else in that position who would tell the American people in excess of 25,000 lies.

 

In addition he ignored the warning about the virus and just let things ride for three months until it was too late to stop it rampaging through the country, and even then he ridiculed people for wearing masks. Estimates have it that many tens of thousands of American lives could have been saved if he had acted earlier.

 

He ignored the advice of medical professionals and it has cost the country dearly. 

 

He took millions upon millions of dollars out of the budget to build his wall, which has been a complete and utter failure and a complete waste of money.

 

He gave tax cuts which benefited his wealthy friends and did very little, if anything to benefit the lower income folks.

 

He has boasted about being able to "grab pussy" because of his wealth and position, not to mention the fact that he has done the dirty on his wife a few times.

 

He has driven a wedge between the two parties, falsely labelling the Democrats as "commies" and has also pandered to right-wing groups.

 

And I won't mention his low level of intelligence along with "covfefe", "Yo Semite", "climate change is a hoax", "the possibility of using disinfectant to fight the virus" and asking if Finland was part of Russia.......and many more. In my opinion he has the intelligence level of a pickled squid.

 

I suppose I could go on for the rest of the thread, however I'm sure you get the picture by now. But then again if you are a trump supporter, you obviously won't!
 

That's just your opinion .Many people think Different.