And so it begins

[whiteman]

Qantas CEO Alan Joyce says COVID-19 vaccinations will be compulsory on Qantas flights once international travel takes off again and he will be changing the terms and conditions of travel to make sure of it.

[whiteman]

Just now wait for the anti vacs to speak up 

[Lacessit]

No problem with that, a sensible precaution. Now, if the countries that Qantas flies to will accept vaccinated passengers without quarantine.........

[Surelynot]

Bound to happen I guess....some countries already require certain vaccination certificates....... though are airlines demanding them is a new one.

[fishtank]

Vaccine should be made compulsory everywhere.

No vac and you don't travel, go to pubs, restaurants, shops, gyms etc.

[huangnon]

On 11/24/2020 at 8:43 AM, fishtank said:

Vaccine should be made compulsory everywhere.

No vac and you don't travel, go to pubs, restaurants, shops, gyms etc.

So, you're basically advocating fascism.?

 

You can go straight to the front of the queue for this vaccine that will maybe give you a few basic human rights back. A vaccine probably rushed through normal 8-10 years of testing phases. Good luck.

[mommysboy]

We make choices. My wife recently came down with measles (of all things), so I decided not to let anyone in to the house who hadn't been vaccinated or infected previously.  I guess I'm advocating fascism then?

 

Nobody is making you take a vaccine.

[huangnon]

^Your house is your own property and thus it's up to you who you admit.

 

The poster I'm referring to is talking about compulsory vaccination at national level.

[TSF]

The anti-vaccine people can throw their arms up in the air and scream about fascism all they like but there's no getting away from it. As soon as mass vaccinations start there will be demands for proof of vaccination in order to do certain things. This will last up until the time the WHO declare that the pandemic is over. You can bet your boots Thailand will be first cab off the rank demanding that tourists are vaccinated. Most airlines will require proof, most country's immigration will require proof, many venues like theaters, stadiums, cinemas will require proof. The list will be lengthy...

[at15]

8 minutes ago, TSF said:

The anti-vaccine people can throw their arms up in the air and scream about fascism all they like but there's no getting away from it. As soon as mass vaccinations start there will be demands for proof of vaccination in order to do certain things. This will last up until the time the WHO declare that the pandemic is over. You can bet your boots Thailand will be first cab off the rank demanding that tourists are vaccinated. Most airlines will require proof, most country's immigration will require proof, many venues like theaters, stadiums, cinemas will require proof. The list will be lengthy...

never gonna happen, vaccine doesnt magically make things go away. plus you have the 30-40% of people with a brain and soul left who will not take a vaccine. your just like the people saying thailand is done for tourists until 2030. insane fear monering.

testing remains the only way, as per IATA.

[Salerno]

16 minutes ago, TSF said:

Most airlines will require proof

 

Possibly, even likely (for international flights).

 

16 minutes ago, TSF said:

many venues like theaters, stadiums, cinemas will require proof. The list will be lengthy.

 

Not a chance.

[TheFreqFlyer]

This won't go down without a fight. Ticketek said the same thing and later on retracted it's policy. Problem is even if Qantas withdraws it's intention (at this point I see it more as a prediction of the future than an actual intention though) foreign governments will probably have the last say (at the behest of the WHO and other global agencies which set the policy). 

[TheFreqFlyer]

27 minutes ago, TSF said:

The anti-vaccine people can throw their arms up in the air and scream about fascism all they like but there's no getting away from it. As soon as mass vaccinations start there will be demands for proof of vaccination in order to do certain things. This will last up until the time the WHO declare that the pandemic is over. You can bet your boots Thailand will be first cab off the rank demanding that tourists are vaccinated. Most airlines will require proof, most country's immigration will require proof, many venues like theaters, stadiums, cinemas will require proof. The list will be lengthy...

 

Nope. That's not how it will work.

 

IF a vaccination requirement comes into play, it will remain permanent. They won't introduce one only to take it away 2 years later. The yellow fever vaccination requirement has been in force for decades now. The only recent change is that a vaccination certificate (or it's exemption) is now valid for life instead of for 10 years as previously. Instead, MORE vaccines will be added over time. For instance, several Pacific Island nations/territories now require an MMR shot as a condition of entry since late 2019. This will never go away, in my opinion. Just as the Hajj pilgrimage requires several vaccines in order to be granted a visa, US green card holders need like 14 different vaccines (though exemptions are available) and Taiwan also mandates an MMR shot as a condition of being granted a long-term visa. 

 

Thailand will be first? LOL. Again you don't know what you're talking about.

 

Whatever happens, most countries will probably follow suit around the same time, and if anything, Australia could be one of the first to impose a vaccination requirement on entry.

 

That stated, all of this is far from certain. More than likely, a digital health passport will be required, which will contain information on testing, but not necessarily vaccination (at least not at this point).

 

Ticketek has already backtracked on it's comments about requiring proof of vaccination for attending sporting events. 

 

Your comments and tone would have been dismissed as "conspiracy theory" until early this year.

 

Of course many conspiracies are actually real and I have known for several years that there are plans underway to possibly eventually require vaccines to interact with society in many ways. HOWEVER, I don't think it will happen that easily or quickly, in spite of the speed at which restrictions have been put into place during this "pandemic". Implementing a travel vaccine requirement could happen, eventually. But it will take many more years before it goes beyond that. Expect huge opposition - I can't see it getting off the ground in most countries, especially not in the United States and many other western countries. 

 

Look at all the protests in the US and western countries against the current restrictions. Also, the governors refusing to impose restrictions in their states. 

[johng]

1 hour ago, TSF said:

Most airlines will require proof, most country's immigration will require proof, many venues like theaters, stadiums, cinemas will require proof. The list will be lengthy...

I very much hope you are wrong on that.

[thaibeachlovers]

On 11/24/2020 at 2:43 PM, fishtank said:

Vaccine should be made compulsory everywhere.

No vac and you don't travel, go to pubs, restaurants, shops, gyms etc.

Fake document guys will be doing a roaring trade. What restaurant/ shop/ pub/ gym is going to be doing more than a glance at whatever is required?

[thaibeachlovers]

3 hours ago, Salerno said:

 

Possibly, even likely (for international flights).

 

 

Not a chance.

Quite right, IMO.

 

Seems some are prophesying about something that may not happen. The vaccine isn't even available for the public yet.

Even if it was 90% effective ( unlikely IMO ) that means 10% of people with a valid/ genuine proof of vaccination are not immune and could be carriers.

If vaccine is required every year, cost is going to become a major factor. In NZ only certain categories of people get flu vaccine free, others have to pay. While it's apparently going to be free ( if ) it's available next year, that could change in 2022 onward.

 

In the end it comes down to money. If a shop tries to make it compulsory and the shop down the road doesn't, the first may lose too much custom and give it up.

In NZ the law says we can't be forced to have any medication, so bound to be loads of people refuse. We will not be shopping anywhere says we have to have it, or we'll get a fake certificate. It's like those strange codes people are supposed to scan with their phones. Apparently many just pretend to scan them, and don't even have the ap or whatever it is on their phone.

 

Anyway, regardless of what shops etc may dictate, people will mingle at each other's homes/ on the beach etc etc etc, and no one is going to be checking certificates. Check out the next climate change protest LOL.

[thaibeachlovers]

On 11/24/2020 at 2:21 PM, Lacessit said:

No problem with that, a sensible precaution. Now, if the countries that Qantas flies to will accept vaccinated passengers without quarantine.........

Why would they? Just because someone has been vaccinated it does not mean that the vaccine worked. There are going to be a certain % that it doesn't work on.

[thaibeachlovers]

3 hours ago, at15 said:

testing remains the only way, as per IATA.

Just because someone test negative today does not mean they won't be infectious tomorrow. Short of testing everyone every day it's not the golden bullet, IMO.

[thaibeachlovers]

3 hours ago, TheFreqFlyer said:

Expect huge opposition - I can't see it getting off the ground in most countries, especially not in the United States and many other western countries. 

Quite right too. I've never been in a demo in my life but if they try to make it compulsory here I'll be in all of them.

[OneMoreFarang]

That's great news.

1. Only vaccinated and Covid free people will travel.

2. Nutters who are against vaccine (and whatever else) won't be able to travel. Nobody will miss them.

Win/Win.

[Traubert]

29 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Just because someone test negative today does not mean they won't be infectious tomorrow. Short of testing everyone every day it's not the golden bullet, IMO.

Bingo!

 

Finally someone understands how useless random testing is.