Biden says UK border with Ireland must be open

[Rookiescot]

1 minute ago, kingdong said:

What makes you imagine i,m not willing to accept the consequences of my actions?

 

Because you are trying to blame everyone else. You were warned before the referendum that voting to leave would jeopardise the Good Friday agreement. Now its everyone else's fault what you were warned about is happening.

[vogie]

19 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

 

Because you are trying to blame everyone else. You were warned before the referendum that voting to leave would jeopardise the Good Friday agreement. Now its everyone else's fault what you were warned about is happening.

There is only one group to blame and that is the 'I didn't vote for anything' group. As we say in Yorkshire, if tha dunt vote fer owt, thall get nowt.

[kingdong]

1 hour ago, Rookiescot said:

 

Because you are trying to blame everyone else. You were warned before the referendum that voting to leave would jeopardise the Good Friday agreement. Now its everyone else's fault what you were warned about is happening.

I was warned?i was threatened by a load of bullies using stolen taxpayers money who said the end would be nigh if punters voted brexit.the only people i,m blaming are the remainers who did all they could to overturn a peoples vote,a democratic desicion made by the electorate,weakening the uks bargaining position and strengthening barniers.

[Rookiescot]

27 minutes ago, kingdong said:

I was warned?i was threatened by a load of bullies using stolen taxpayers money who said the end would be nigh if punters voted brexit.the only people i,m blaming are the remainers who did all they could to overturn a peoples vote,a democratic desicion made by the electorate,weakening the uks bargaining position and strengthening barniers.

 

You just proved my point.

You are failing to accept your actions have caused the Good Friday agreement to be threatened. Even though you were warned before the referendum this would happen.

You are trying to blame remainers for the problems that Brexit has caused. The Brexit YOU voted for.

 

[Chomper Higgot]

2 hours ago, kingdong said:

All your post does is illustrate how you feel its ok to give into bullies",junker made it absolutely clear,"so did hitler.in 1939 lucky we had a prime minister who had a bit of bottle at the time as we have now,true what with the coming depression there may be short term pain but at least the uk will be able to govern ourselves and make our own decisions,these colours don,t run (sounds familiar?)

Oh, Hitler’s turned up already.

 

When you stated “ the uk will be able to govern ourselves and make our own decisions“ did you forget the topic of discussion is the US President Elect telling the UK there shall be no hard border in Ireland and precisely why he’s able to do so?

 

 

[Chomper Higgot]

50 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

 

You just proved my point.

You are failing to accept your actions have caused the Good Friday agreement to be threatened. Even though you were warned before the referendum this would happen.

You are trying to blame remainers for the problems that Brexit has caused. The Brexit YOU voted for.

 

It’s always somebody else’s fault.

 

 

[Chomper Higgot]

2 hours ago, vogie said:

There is only one group to blame and that is the 'I didn't vote for anything' group. As we say in Yorkshire, if tha dunt vote fer owt, thall get nowt.

Well it couldn’t possibly be the fault of the people who voted for a Brexit they were told would wind up in this mess, that just wouldn’t do.

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1 hour ago, kingdong said:

I was warned?i was threatened by a load of bullies using stolen taxpayers money who said the end would be nigh if punters voted brexit.the only people i,m blaming are the remainers who did all they could to overturn a peoples vote,a democratic desicion made by the electorate,weakening the uks bargaining position and strengthening barniers.

This is always the line supporters of any policy take when things don't turn out as predicted: blame the opposition. I can remember when lots of Brexit supporters here were claiming that Germany would back down because it sold so many autos to the UK. And of course there were the rosy predictions of Brexiters such as Michael Gove who claimed that free trade with the UK would survive Brexit. The EU was always very clear about the lines it drew and why it drew those lines: namely it would make no sense to give the UK the benefits so many Brexiters expected without paying for them. What sense would it make to have a free trade union if anyone could profit substantially from it without joining or by leaving?

[onthedarkside]

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[vogie]

1 hour ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Well it couldn’t possibly be the fault of the people who voted for a Brexit they were told would wind up in this mess, that just wouldn’t do.

Of course you are correct, it couldn't be the fault of the electorate that voted for Brexit, because democracy can never ever, nay thrice never, be ever called a fault. Only can be called a fault by subversive groups and people who do not respect how democratic voting works. 

We can all be disappointed if something doesn't go the way we wanted it to go, but for 5 years now to be still bleating about it really takes a special kind of a person, seeking councilling may help some, but sadly not all, some are just too far gone.

But in Joe Biden, many remainers have found him to be something else to hit the Brexiteers over the head with and it won't make a ha'penny worth of difference in the end what he says.

[JonnyF]

2 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Oh, Hitler’s turned up already.

 

When you stated “ the uk will be able to govern ourselves and make our own decisions“ did you forget the topic of discussion is the US President Elect telling the UK there shall be no hard border in Ireland and precisely why he’s able to do so?

 

 

 

He didn't tell us anything. He stated his preference, and we duly ignored him.

[Chomper Higgot]

20 minutes ago, vogie said:

Of course you are correct, it couldn't be the fault of the electorate that voted for Brexit, because democracy can never ever, nay thrice never, be ever called a fault. Only can be called a fault by subversive groups and people who do not respect how democratic voting works. 

We can all be disappointed if something doesn't go the way we wanted it to go, but for 5 years now to be still bleating about it really takes a special kind of a person, seeking councilling may help some, but sadly not all, some are just too far gone.

But in Joe Biden, many remainers have found him to be something else to hit the Brexiteers over the head with and it won't make a ha'penny worth of difference in the end what he says.

The gaping hole in that argument is where democracies elect a tyrant.

 

A turn of events predicted by Plato in his ‘The Republic’ and born out by the tragedies elected tyrants have brought upon humanity.

 

 

 

[Chomper Higgot]

2 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

 

He didn't tell us anything. He stated his preference, and we duly ignored him.

 I guess if ranting about his statement is ignoring then yes you’ve demonstrated you are not the least bit concerned with his statement.

[vogie]

12 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

The gaping hole in that argument is where democracies elect a tyrant.

 

A turn of events predicted by Plato in his ‘The Republic’ and born out by the tragedies elected tyrants have brought upon humanity.

 

 

 

There aren't any tyrants chomper, nor are there any holes, all we have is what the UK voted for. 

[Kwasaki]

12 minutes ago, vogie said:

There aren't any tyrants chomper, nor are there any holes, all we have is what the UK voted for. 

You're wasting your time Chomper bless him will never be in favour of leave. 

He like TM as Prime Minister and she is still chomping away. ????

[JonnyF]

35 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

 I guess if ranting about his statement is ignoring then yes you’ve demonstrated you are not the least bit concerned with his statement.

 

I'm not concerned about it as he has no jurisdiction. What's he going to do? Threaten to withhold chlorinated chicken and tariff free Budweiser? I think we'll survive. ????

 

We didn't have a comprehensive FTA with the US when we were in the EU, so his threats of not signing one are not particularly terrifying. We'll do what we want, irrespective of what "Irish" Joe Biden says.

[cmarshall]

6 hours ago, kingdong said:

All your post does is illustrate how you feel its ok to give into bullies",junker made it absolutely clear,"so did hitler.in 1939 lucky we had a prime minister who had a bit of bottle at the time as we have now,true what with the coming depression there may be short term pain but at least the uk will be able to govern ourselves and make our own decisions,these colours don,t run (sounds familiar?)

 

The Brits are such a hoot.  They sat safely on the sidelines while the Red Army defeated the Wehrmacht and the Americans defeated the Japanese.  Russian casualties: 27 million, Indian casualties: 2.5 million, British casualties: 450,000.  Well done, Winston. 

 

 

[andyg75]

1 hour ago, cmarshall said:

 

The Brits are such a hoot.  They sat safely on the sidelines while the Red Army defeated the Wehrmacht and the Americans defeated the Japanese.  Russian casualties: 27 million, Indian casualties: 2.5 million, British casualties: 450,000.  Well done, Winston. 

 

 

What’s this got to do with the topic

[kingdong]

5 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

It’s always somebody else’s fault.

 

 

Have you ever had that feeling you,ve heard something before?

[kingdong]

1 hour ago, cmarshall said:

 

The Brits are such a hoot.  They sat safely on the sidelines while the Red Army defeated the Wehrmacht and the Americans defeated the Japanese.  Russian casualties: 27 million, Indian casualties: 2.5 million, British casualties: 450,000.  Well done, Winston. 

 

 

Indian casualties 2.5 million?that general custer has a lot to answer for.

[CorpusChristie]

2 hours ago, cmarshall said:

 

The Brits are such a hoot.  They sat safely on the sidelines while the Red Army defeated the Wehrmacht and the Americans defeated the Japanese.  Russian casualties: 27 million, Indian casualties: 2.5 million, British casualties: 450,000.  Well done, Winston. 

 

 

 

   Why you hate British people so much ?

[Phulublub]

28 minutes ago, kingdong said:

Have you ever had that feeling you,ve heard something before?

Multiple times from many of the Brexit "winners".  Maybe that should be Brxit "whiners"

 

PH

[kingdong]

9 minutes ago, Phulublub said:

Multiple times from many of the Brexit "winners".  Maybe that should be Brxit "whiners"

 

PH

Whos whining?certainly not me,we won the peoples election and we,re out 31 dec,all the whining is coming from remainers unable to accept democracy.a new dawn awaits.

[Phulublub]

3 minutes ago, kingdong said:

Whos whining?certainly not me,we won the peoples election and we,re out 31 dec,all the whining is coming from remainers unable to accept democracy.a new dawn awaits.

Whine, wine, whine, whine.

 

We have accepted the result.  That we continue to demonstrate just how much of a cluster is resulting does not change that.

 

PH

[Chomper Higgot]

1 hour ago, kingdong said:

Have you ever had that feeling you,ve heard something before?

Yes, often, Brexiteers laying the blame for whatever problems they have in their own life on others.

[cmarshall]

9 minutes ago, CorpusChristie said:

 

   Why you hate British people so much ?

 

I do very much dislike arrogant, self-serving lying of the kind typified by the we-stood-alone-against-Hitler posturing of the previous post or the lying about Brexit.  And the Brits do a lot of it.  Of course, I realize Britain is more than the Eton crowd that runs it, but they are the face of your nation.

 

If it's any consolation I like even less the same behavior among Americans, who have a far worse effect on the world nowadays than the Brits.  

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3 hours ago, JonnyF said:

 

I'm not concerned about it as he has no jurisdiction. What's he going to do? Threaten to withhold chlorinated chicken and tariff free Budweiser? I think we'll survive. ????

 

We didn't have a comprehensive FTA with the US when we were in the EU, so his threats of not signing one are not particularly terrifying. We'll do what we want, irrespective of what "Irish" Joe Biden says.

How quickly they forget. It's long been a claim of Brexiters - a baseless claim but still a claim - that a free trade agreement with the US would go a long way towards making up for the loss of such with the EU.

[JonnyF]

12 minutes ago, placeholder said:

How quickly they forget. It's long been a claim of Brexiters - a baseless claim but still a claim - that a free trade agreement with the US would go a long way towards making up for the loss of such with the EU.

I'd say the reverse was true. Remainers were rubbishing the whole idea when Trump was keen on it. Chlorinated chicken, low food standards, selling the NHS etc.

 

Now "Oirish Joe" Biden is threatening to prevent it, they're acting like we've lost the Crown jewels and we must immediately bend to all EU demands. 

 

Make your minds up guys. Or better still, accept defeat and get on board. 

[Chomper Higgot]

1 hour ago, JonnyF said:

I'd say the reverse was true. Remainers were rubbishing the whole idea when Trump was keen on it. Chlorinated chicken, low food standards, selling the NHS etc.

 

Now "Oirish Joe" Biden is threatening to prevent it, they're acting like we've lost the Crown jewels and we must immediately bend to all EU demands. 

 

Make your minds up guys. Or better still, accept defeat and get on board. 

That’s because you haven’t figured it out.

 

The UK desperately needs a trade deal with the US.

 

The US knows the UK are in desperate need of the deal.

 

Joe Biden is using U.K. desperation for a deal to dictate UK policy wrt the border  with  Ireland and the ‘Good Friday Agreement’.

 

The UK will do as Biden has told them.

 

Thereafter, the U.K. will still be desperate for a trade deal with the US and the US will dictate the terms of that agreement.

 

The threat the various US industry lobbies pose to sectors of the U.K. economy has not disappeared, it’s merely being delayed until the U.K. does as it is told in Ireland.

 

How’s that for ‘sovereignty’?!

 

 

Edited November 27, 2020 by Chomper Higgot

[evadgib]

2 hours ago, placeholder said:

How quickly they forget. It's long been a claim of Brexiters - a baseless claim but still a claim - that a free trade agreement with the US would go a long way towards making up for the loss of such with the EU.

When that oft-pedaled claim was made no one knew that a 2 year event would drag on for FIVE or that a manufactured and grossly exaggerated virus would scupper the world's economies.