7 minutes ago, amexpat said:

Oh,  the old "Gateway Drug" claim.  I haven't heard that in the last couple of decades. 

Did you worked with people that are drug addicts.

21 minutes ago, Donga said:

 

Most cannabis smokers don't become drug addicts, just like most beer drinkers don't become alcoholics.
Cannabis induces a relaxing, pleasant feeling. Alcohol does too, but tends to more volatile. So even with non-alcoholics, intoxication can cause much more harm in disputes, violence and driving accidents. No comparison in societal harm.
The experience of Portugal, Canada and recent US states that have legalized cannabis is overwhelmingly positive.
Don't be afraid of recreational cannabis, though agree with ramr - ideally don't want the super strong stuff being choofed. Not necessary, and just like too much alcohol in one sitting, it doesn't make sense either.

No matter what people think that use it, I still will standby what I think.

If you mean as a cop or a drug counselor or social worker?  No.  But I've worked in the restaurant industry for a long time, and you definitely see more than your share.  And I've had friends with drug problems.  Some smoked, some didn't, but their drug of choice was always heroin, pills, speed/meth, and alcohol.  Especially meth and alcohol.  Not cannabis.  I'm not saying it can't be abused, but so can alcohol, and no one raises an eyebrow about that.  As a recreational substance, whether used lightly, moderately, or heavily, cannabis is less risky.  And life itself is full of risks, but you can't just get around that by banning every activity that *might* be harmful.  When making laws, you have to evaluate the known science, and act accordingly. 

Generally, the medical damage to your system from serious, long-term cannabis abuse is much less severe and much more reversible than the damage from the other drugs I've mentioned.  From what I've read, speed-type drugs (especially meth) is the worst for irreversible damage, with alcohol in second place.  Also, the very few people who seriously abuse cannabis tend hurt themselves much more than their loved ones or society as a whole.  They don't tend to beat their spouses, rob and hurt others to support their habit, or otherwise engage in the type of violent, antisocial behavior you see from the other drugs I mentioned.

1 hour ago, ramr said:

Yet you've never seen alcohol ruin lives?

I can understand it's really rough seeing people you know and people you care about go down the tubes, but does your math add up?

Because the statistics don't even put cannabis in the same galaxy as alcohol, risk-wise, much less the same league.

 

 

Is that so?

Which drugs are linked to drugged driving?

After alcohol, marijuana is the drug most often found in the blood of drivers involved in crashes.

3 hours ago, chickenslegs said:

Buds and flowers are just modified leaves, so I expect they are covered by this change in legislation.

 

However, TiT.

Yeah buds I should have said, flowers would be a bit useless Lol

2 hours ago, ramr said:

I know we've been butting heads so far, but yeah, I get it.  Schizophrenia is a risk with cannabis.  The risk is quite small, BUT the following increase the risk:

1.  being in the small percentage of people with an underlying susceptibility to schizophrenia or similar mental problems

2.  high-THC percentage (i.e. the stronger product that has been developed over the past few years)

3.  frequent smoking

4.  starting young

For these reasons, I would favor legalization with an age limit of 20-25 (to put it bluntly, but lovingly: kids are idiots, and their brains are still developing), and possibly limiting the THC% strength in recreational cannabis.  I would also favor education about responsible use, rather than using the scare tactics of the past.

And yes, the schizophrenia thing has happened to a friend of mine, and heavy cannabis use was just one of many factors involved.  He doesn't blame the cannabis or think it should be illegal.

Self-destructive people will always find a way to self-destruct.  

 

I agree with the premises but that would never work. Even in the Netherlands there's a huge black market for weed, and if you try to limit the THC % for the one sold legally, you'll be able to get more % in the black market.

 

I used to be a smoker myself back in the day but I'm not sure if I agree with legalization. I have seen too many lifes destroyed by it. The gateway drug thing is real, and if you deny it and have ever smoked before regularly and knew people who do so, then you're either lying or a fool. Most people will give it a puff or too occasionally and for those no problem. But the heavy smokers quickly graduate into other drugs.

32 minutes ago, Meat Pie 47 said:

Is that so?

Which drugs are linked to drugged driving?

After alcohol, marijuana is the drug most often found in the blood of drivers involved in crashes.

That may be so but it doesn't mean it had

anything to do with the accident given it stays in the system a long time.

Teach them to grow Canadian bud. 

7 hours ago, Kwasaki said:

Did you worked with people that are drug addicts.

Yes. They use the drug alcohol.

 

You obviously don't know what you are talking about. Best to get educated on this..

8 hours ago, Donga said:

Don't be afraid of recreational cannabis, though agree with ramr - ideally don't want the super strong stuff being choofed

Agree, absolutely; but already higher preparations & ingestibles are produced. 

Perhaps one day, an injectable form will be available....?

9 hours ago, ThailandRyan said:

That is still illegal 7 fortunately. You can grow the plant but it apparently must be budless.  Hemp only.  Time to use alcohol on the leaves and trim and make some hash.  Squeeze out the stalks and stems and make some Butane Honey oil.  

What's the 7 for? Is it on some government schedule 7? That's my guess. Otherwise, 'splain? 

thank you for stating obvious

9 hours ago, Kwasaki said:

I don't like any drugs of this kind I believe they lead people to progress to worse drugs.

I seen it happen to people I knew in England and it did not end well.

How do you feel about alcohol? I've seen worse things happen to people who abuse alcohol than marijuana.

8 hours ago, Kwasaki said:

No matter what people think that use it, I still will standby what I think.

you stand by with what you think and ill go with facts. reading your comments in this thread shows your total lack of knowledge on the subject. you continue to spit out old talking points and nonsense. please stop it does not look good at all. 

 

now go have that beer you are craving and sip it with pride knowing you aren't a druggie like them potheads. 

1 hour ago, LawrenceN said:

What's the 7 for? Is it on some government schedule 7? That's my guess. Otherwise, 'splain? 

Typo, 7 shouldn't have been there, never saw it before.....lol, it should have read unfortunately, not 7 fortunately.  clarified, I think I heard it from a friend.....

 

Edited November 26, 20205 yr by ThailandRyan

Is it still legal in Cambodia and sold openly at the markets & used in a lot of their food?

Haven't visited there for a few years, but remember seeing sacks of it in the Russian market especially.

11 hours ago, Kwasaki said:

It should stay illegal except for medical use IMO.

The Christian boss says otherwise....Genesis 1:29

The extract of CBD oil is very helpful, and instead of using opioids and NSAIDS for pain management CBD oil does work, at least for me. Many things can be obtained from a plant that has had it's detractors over the years.  Like Alcohol any drug can ruin your life.  If you use a medicating source, you should never operate machinery, heavy equipment, drive a car or motorbike, definitely not Skateboard, so I have heard from a friend......lol

10 hours ago, Kwasaki said:

Yeah it's a drug that helps sick people.

Everybody is sick of something these days ...

"No stems, no seeds..nothing you don't need

Acapulco gold is badass weed" -from Cheech and Chong's first record

Weed has been legal for years now in home state of Oregon. Pot shops sprung up like 7/11s. I recall seeing signs for ketamine, too. Civilization hasn't collapsed, tax revenues up.. haven't been back for a few years (who knows when I can visit?).

I quit smoking grass in '85, so figures they would legalize for recreational use.

Went to 50th high school reunion. Old friend who was career state police (retired) on veranda sharing a joint. Bit startled as he was pretty much a straight arrow type.

The times they are a changin'

12 hours ago, Kwasaki said:

It should stay illegal except for medical use IMO.

Why that's then even? if you don't agree with it for what backwoods reason NO COUNTRY HAS EVER WON THE WAR AGAINTS DRUGS what's the point of anymore.

Edited November 26, 20205 yr by juice777

2 minutes ago, juice777 said:

ONE

Won ?

10 hours ago, Kwasaki said:

I don't like any drugs of this kind I believe they lead people to progress to worse drugs.

I seen it happen to people I knew in England and it did not end well.

Oh not that old tired  Argument it's not true those people would have found drugs anyway if cannabis was there or not. Also your that old point is Illogical because if it was legal they probably would not  come across the other illegal drugs does buying  alcohol from 7/11 Lead to buying yaba please think things through more clearly maybe have a big fat joint to help with this process.

Edited November 26, 20205 yr by juice777

This thread has me considering swapping alcohol for cannabis (if they legalise it - no way I will break Thai law), which I have never tried.

 

Question - is there an equivalent with weed to blackouts/brownouts caused by too much alcohol, ie forgetting large portions of what you said, did and with who the night before? Not being sarcastic.

 

 

 

Edited November 26, 20205 yr by Saltire

10 hours ago, ramr said:

 

The devil's in the details and the definition, pardner.  The problem I have with that is trusting the government (especially this one) to define "sick."  Let's not even talk about once the pharmaceutical industry gets their grubby paws on it to "help" the government decide on the definition...and of course who is allowed to sell it exclusively. 

The various implementations tried in other countries of playing games with doctor's notes is generally bulls**t....once legal for medical use, the product can find its way into the recreational grey market, so let's just act like adults and not waste everybody's time with the charade, OK?

If we don't do it with alcohol, something with measurably much worse societal health effects and costs, we shouldn't do it with cannabis.  

A real head-scratcher why so many people feel threatened by this.  And I mean "feel," since there doesn't appear to be much logic or even pragmatism guiding the emotion.

 

The fact that cannabis--in contrast to alcohol and almost every other drug--does not have a measurable lethal dose should tell you a lot.  Hell, most legal, prescribed pharmaceuticals have a lethal dose.  Freakin' ibuprofen has a lethal dose.  

 

That's right no  Lethal dose  Cannabis stays in your system for 6 weeks unlike other drugs what are flushed out in days this is because the body does not see it as a poison.

12 hours ago, Kwasaki said:

It should stay illegal except for medical use IMO.

 

IMO you should familiarize yourself with the research on the subjects of drug abuse before you give public health opinions.  Criminalization does not help drug abusers, their families, or society at large.  

24 minutes ago, nobodysfriend said:

Won ?

Sorry using google talk thing to stoned to type.

47 minutes ago, ThailandRyan said:

The extract of CBD oil is very helpful, and instead of using opioids and NSAIDS for pain management CBD oil does work, at least for me. Many things can be obtained from a plant that has had it's detractors over the years.  Like Alcohol any drug can ruin your life.  If you use a medicating source, you should never operate machinery, heavy equipment, drive a car or motorbike, definitely not Skateboard, so I have heard from a friend......lol

I was skeptical of CBD. Tried it recently and have found it works quite well! Better than taking those nasty NSAIDS.

11 hours ago, Kwasaki said:

Yeah it's a drug that helps sick people.

You are correct. It helped sick people write Sgt Pepper, Pet Sounds and other great music.

45 minutes ago, Saltire said:

This thread has me considering swapping alcohol for cannabis (if they legalise it - no way I will break Thai law), which I have never tried.

 

Question - is there an equivalent with weed to blackouts/brownouts caused by too much alcohol, ie forgetting large portions of what you said, did and with who the night before? Not being sarcastic.

 

 

 

THC is definitely better than alcohol , it does not kill you , you will not get a psychical or physical addiction to it .

 

But it depends on the quantity you take ... stoned all day will make you blur after a while .

Just a little bit from time to time keeps you healthy ... you'll  laugh a lot , sleep a lot , eat a lot ( careful with that ) , you can enjoy life more with less stress ... but it might make you doubt about the sense in doing some things you've always done ( mostly things that you were told to do by somebody ) . It has consciousness enlarging effects , and that is exactly why it was forbidden for so long .

Sometimes  when I had difficulties to find a creative solution to a problem , it was enough to just smoke a joint to find what I was just not seeing before .

I quit smoking 30 yrs ago , these days I just have a tea , just one is enough for a lovely evening ...

Check it out , if you like ...

Edited November 26, 20205 yr by nobodysfriend