Bomb Explodes In Downtown Bangkok

[John K]

If this were terrorist then there would be more carnage and they would not have planted it on a soi but on a main road. This I predicted because it fits the pattern of Thaksin. The PTV / TRT / Thaksin rallies have died out and this is just an attempt to destabilize the government. I posted on this two times in the last 4 days or so. All this says is the government is on the right path and the people that are about to go down are doing everything they can to stay out of jail. There even was an assassination of an accountant associated with Shin a few days ago. It all fits better than OJ’s glove.

[s.pylos]

OMG! Bush, Iraq, God, genocide, spilling of innocent blood, massacre, wishing death, raining blood, feeble little worlds, blotches on the face of humanity, insults and implications.

Hmm.

This thread is about a small explosive device that shattered glass in a phone box and a young Thai guy was hurt.

You guys are mental!

Moderators: Nip this cr_p in the bud. It's depressing to read such hateful rubbish

It's a chronic disease in any forum... People behave like they would never in real life if they were to discuss (or would ever discuss) such issues face to face in the real world. That's the curse of the internet... to provide a platform for psychosis...

[sandy]

[dong]

There is a lot of sinister things going on here in the land of smiles.

1. Continued anti-government protests

2. The "apparent" murder of the auditor of one of Thaksin's companies

3. A large noise maker close to the King's palace on Coronation Day

Three activities seemingly unrelated....but are they ? One can weave a web of conspiracy theories until the cows come home but one fact remains. These events are designed to cause concern across the community and, in one case [just my opinion mind you], perhaps silence a possible leak to what went on during the Thaksin years.

The taking of a human life is to be condemned. I don't care what colour or creed that person is. To denounce the Muslim faith because of a group of hardcore fanatics is to do a grave injustice. Let's not forget that it is not only Buddhist followers who are being killed. It is indiscrimate and takes no account of gender or age. These people are criminals, nothing more. Manipulated young men who are more than eager to carry out the bidding of those in charge. It is to be hoped that these "masters" can be found and locked up......legally.

Strung up imo,

[lazeeboy]

There is a lot of sinister things going on here in the land of smiles.

1. Continued anti-government protests

2. The "apparent" murder of the auditor of one of Thaksin's companies

3. A large noise maker close to the King's palace on Coronation Day

Three activities seemingly unrelated....but are they ? One can weave a web of conspiracy theories until the cows come home but one fact remains. These events are designed to cause concern across the community and, in one case [just my opinion mind you], perhaps silence a possible leak to what went on during the Thaksin years.

The taking of a human life is to be condemned. I don't care what colour or creed that person is. To denounce the Muslim faith because of a group of hardcore fanatics is to do a grave injustice. Let's not forget that it is not only Buddhist followers who are being killed. It is indiscrimate and takes no account of gender or age. These people are criminals, nothing more. Manipulated young men who are more than eager to carry out the bidding of those in charge. It is to be hoped that these "masters" can be found and locked up......legally.

Strung up imo,

its time for the government to get tough on the offenders ,make some examples ,and let the world know this is going to stop,then maybe the tourist might come back if this carries on

im afraid most expats will have to leave as no tourist no sum tam

[Morden]

George and the very few other posters who have contributed relevant information about this incident, thank you for taking the trouble to inform the forum. At the time I saw the email alert my wife was flying into Bangkok Airport so I was very interested in reading the news as it developed.

What is so sad is that the thread has been overwhelmed by irrelevant and, occasionally, personal remarks. All that we know is that a small flash or explosion broke some glass and someone was injured. I'm far from being a supporter of anyone who attacks people either himself or through others, whether he is a cave dweller or a President or a Prime Minister. However, it's rather unlikely that any major person or organisation is behind such a relatively minor incident. I wonder whether some people rather enjoy the thought that Bangkok might be under attack from terrorists. It does occur to me, though, that someone who has been close to real terrorism and knows the anguish that it causes would not waste his time or cause other people concern by creating stories or making allegations that are not supported by facts.

My wife is safe and no-one else has been hurt. However, in future, perhaps the members who relish cheap sensation or like to expound their theories would like to stay away from threads such as this so that members who have useful information to post and those who want that information can get on with the job.

[Tony Clifton]

If this were terrorist then there would be more carnage and they would not have planted it on a soi but on a main road. This I predicted because it fits the pattern of Thaksin. The PTV / TRT / Thaksin rallies have died out and this is just an attempt to destabilize the government. I posted on this two times in the last 4 days or so. All this says is the government is on the right path and the people that are about to go down are doing everything they can to stay out of jail. There even was an assassination of an accountant associated with Shin a few days ago. It all fits better than OJ’s glove.

Terrorists claim their bomb attacks.

Same pattern as before. Previous bomb attacks, New Year`s eve, Khunying Pornthip, Chamlong`s compound, Prem`s residence etc. have never been claimed and just like will happen with latest one, the police conveniently finds no guilty party.

As for who did it, there are now even more small groups in and around Bangkok with basically the same purpose. Just more pieces for the incompetent and partial police force`s puzzle.

[mrpon]

I as one who comes from Belfast, has been caught up in ,and injured by indiscriminate bombings, I can only say that it's sad some people find this a necessary way to express their feelings.The use of indiscriminate bombs,be they small or large,does nothing to further anyones cause and in fact creates more problems like ,retaliation etc.One of your writers is complaining that it was hardly a "bomb" as it was a small device,well let me tell you,if it explodes,then it's a bomb and it does not care who it harms.How to stop it happening is another problem,if you dont know who is behind it then trying to address their problems is nigh impossible and of course you will always have the determined extremist who is hel_l bent on furthering whatever cause he supports,finding him(or her) is the nightmare but that is what has to be done.The source has to be found and dealt with or this will continue and cause damage to the already damaged tourist industry Thailand depends on.It wont stop me from coming back(was in BKK Feb.) but then I'm used to it,others however might think twice.Find the source,nip it in the bud!

Edited May 6, 2007 by mrpon

[argus]

Not worthwhile to mention. This little things happen in any city any time many times.

[thaigene2]

Just remember this is a country where the rich elite have an absoulte iron grip control over society. One Thai academic has even published a book calling recent events "a Coup for the Rich". So don't be too quick to buy the official explanations about terrorism. The masses are controlled by a variety of tactics here. Who says this isn't another one? Maybe it's an excuse for the military to get that emergency decree they were looking for in Bangok (but was initially 'rejected' by Surayud)?

[ray23]

There is one thing that has really amazed me about the violence in the south and that is at least in the U.S. there seems to be very little knowledge of it. It was amazing a few months back I got an emergency e-mail from a friend in the states to escape while I could, seems there had been a teacher l killed on the south. Wonder where he had been when the 100's of others were killed, he simply didn't know.

Effecting tourism I don't think so, for there to be an effect, it would have to be well know in international circles. Whatever the actual causation, Thailand has done well in keeping this out of the international eye.

I don't have any answers for the south but things don't seem to be going well at all. I does seem very hard to believe that criminal's such as these can not be arrested. Anyone notice that if it happens in Bangkok a huge roar, the south just business a usual?

There may be a huge message in that alone.

[easybullet3]

I wish their families of these bombers one day be killed the same way by someone they really do not know.

- wow!! this kind of thinking puts YOU right 'up there' with any other terrorist around the world!

a world of peace consists of people that dont wanna bring harm to others. by wishing harm to a bad persons family is just a few steps before actually doing the crime itself. (energy and thought perpetuates into physical - you should know that).

its better maybe to think of it this way: I wish people could be nicer. maybe one day these people can see a higher good, in life.

(its not like the west didnt kill and annialate a few thousand middle-easerns for human-rights issues),, the west is just as f*cked-up as the rest of them all)!! seems all the world (no matter which country) does a degree of terrorism to one extent or another.

[Mid]

Unused telephone booths to be closed or removed

Sun, May 6, 2007 : Last updated 16:27 pm (Thai local time)

Assistant Police Chief Pol Lt Col Jongrak Jutanont said the meeting assigned police and city authorities to survey the public telephone booths throughout the capital to know the number and the locations of the telephone booths that were in remote spots or not rarely used.

"The telephone booths in such conditions would be removed or closed down to prevent them from being used as bombing spots," said Jongrak, who is chief investigator into the Saturday bombing attack.

now there's an idea .......................................

[cclub75]

"The telephone booths in such conditions would be removed or closed down to prevent them from being used as bombing spots," said Jongrak, who is chief investigator into the Saturday bombing attack.

now there's an idea .......................................

Typical thai logic I would say...

"We remove the phone booths, then can not put a bomb inside anymore, then no more problem. Case solved !"

The idea to solve the problem by hunting and finding the culprits... of course can't touch the brain of the thai security forces...

[nick2k]

This is the most cowardly way of creating civil unrest and senseless violence: bombing!

I wish their families of these bombers one day be killed the same way by someone they really do not know. Nothing else will make them understand the crazyness of their acts. How stupid, how cowardly... and what do they reach???

You are asking for the whole scale massacre of innocent people, including women and children, to teach a lesson to a handful of evil people. I believe that it is people like you who are responsible for global terror.

Do you not have the sense to realise that it is the spilling of innocent blood that makes impressionable youths join terrorist groups? Bush's war on terror, and all the other world leaders who have joined the bandwagon have done nothing more than create more terrorists.

Yes, we must fight terrorism. But vindictive and indiscriminate acts of violence that you call for are not the way to fight terrorism. On the short term, you need good intelligence to wipe out terrorists while minimising civilian casualties. But only efforts at understanding the root causes of conflicts, and tackling them will provide lasting solutions to any conflict.

People like you, who spew forth vitriolic hatred are a blotch on the face of humanity.

in my opinion, it is people like you who cause terrorism to increase. you are trying to make the people who try to defend themselves the guilty party.

I think killing the terrorist and whoever supports them is the path to resolution.

your idea of trying to understand the terrorist is stupid. that method doesn't work most of the time. and for sure, not in this case.

it has been going on for generations. annihilate them and their supporting parties and you will have peace.

genocide, you say? genocide only applies to innocent people. that being the case, what the terrorist are doing is genocide since they are indiscriminately killing people.

[ColPyat]

I think killing the terrorist and whoever supports them is the path to resolution.

I wouldn't voice this idea too loud here as the proud American you are, as the US itself has funded and trained during the Russian occupation of Afghanistan these organizations that are now called terrorists. Also the Taleban, combined brainchild of the US, Saudi and Pakisthan's ISI, were funded by the US together with Saudi Arabia.

Bin Laden during the era of Russian occupation also had a mutually beneficial relationship with the US, apart of course from the personal business relationship between his family, and the Bush family.

[Tony Clifton]

If this were terrorist then there would be more carnage and they would not have planted it on a soi but on a main road. This I predicted because it fits the pattern of Thaksin. The PTV / TRT / Thaksin rallies have died out and this is just an attempt to destabilize the government. I posted on this two times in the last 4 days or so. All this says is the government is on the right path and the people that are about to go down are doing everything they can to stay out of jail. There even was an assassination of an accountant associated with Shin a few days ago. It all fits better than OJ’s glove.

Terrorists claim their bomb attacks.

Same pattern as before. Previous bomb attacks, New Year`s eve, Khunying Pornthip, Chamlong`s compound, Prem`s residence etc. have never been claimed and just like will happen with latest one, the police conveniently finds no guilty party.

As for who did it, there are now even more small groups in and around Bangkok with basically the same purpose. Just more pieces for the incompetent and partial police force`s puzzle.

There...not yet 24 hours later.

Police at dead end in Bangkok bombing

http://www.bangkokpost.net/breaking_news/b...s.php?id=118563

Serious and in depht investigations are so bothersome. Let' s go for the easier and useless preventive measures and searches AFTER such events.

[TAWP]

These people that call themselves "terrorists are nothing but uneducated cowards.

No, they are not uneducated. Many of the leaders are highly educated and you can wonder if they are cowards crashing themselves into buildings in hijacked airplanes. Well, surely I would not have the guts (or desire) to do that!

It's not bravery when they 'know' they will be greated with eternal afterlife in heaven with 72 virgins. It's brainwashed greed.

Doing something so save someone for no personal gain and never having anyone find out...that is bravery.

The hijackers are just terrorist thugs.

[John K]

Analysis;

To anyone that has done consoling with a person in an abusive relationship you can see very clear parallels in all of this. The abused person often feels incapable of ending the abuse, so in their mind they may kill their abuser thousands of times.

A child who is bullied may lash out at something near the bully as the bully has always the advantage. If the bully did not have the advantage they simply would remain in check and not bully. Also a bully who has been put in check may try alternate means other than direct confrontation if there is a chance they may lose the conflict.

There is clearly enough evidence for a criminal profiler to work with now. With every bomb a new piece of the puzzle is added.

New years eve. The first bombs were overdone as an attempt to make a big impact and stun the government. That was achieved. However because there was death and the public viewed it in such a negative way the fallout could be long lasting and result in loss of votes. At the time much of the findings now out were still under investigation and the sense of possible success of the TRT was in the air. There were very deliberate attempts to connect the blame to the southern most provinces but most saw it as political.

The second bomb was very clearly political. The time, size, and placement were done in a way to avoid the chance of causalities but still send a message. That would be completely opposite of what terrorists would want to achieve. The description of the bomber left much to be desired and all turned out to be dead ends.

Other minor bomb(s) were more meant as a message but also added a piece to the puzzle. Descriptions of a suspect with curly hair were clearly meant to point to other ethnic groups and not Thais. A typical 180 degree statement typical of Thaksin.

This bomb starts to show a pattern based on location. The bombers are selecting locations near to what they feels aggression towards. The mind set appears to be driven by rage and arrogance. There is very little if any logic that is apparent at this time except to cause instability in the government. Arrogance and destabilizing the government are both Thaksin signatures and goals.

Based on the information above I am convinced that all of this is connected to Thaksin in some way. The inability of the police to have success with this either reflects they are tied to the bombers or are incapable of a proper investigation. The bombs being smaller now and few if any injuries also reduces the priority placed on the investigation allowing it to simply find its way to nothingness sooner. If it was tied to the south the bombs would still be big and placed in high pedestrian traffic areas.

The impotency of the PTV / TRT / Thaksin rallies clearly made it obvious to me that a bomb would go off in the next few days. I expect more physical responses in the coming days that may include more assassinations and bombs. If I were to predict locations I would say the next targets will be tied to the events on the calendar in chronological order. Billions of Shin tax baht as that is now at the top of the list, followed by the people involved in possibly dissolving the TRT. There even may be a coup attempt by the class 10 group but that would be a difficult task at best as a last chance effort.

[chuchok]

Yes,definatly Thaksin.Hard evidence for sure.I can smell it in my water....

[undercover]

Just come down to pattaya, its as safe as f-ck down here as always.

[Pepe']

Analysis;

To anyone that has done consoling with a person in an abusive relationship you can see very clear parallels in all of this. The abused person often feels incapable of ending the abuse, so in their mind they may kill their abuser thousands of times.

A child who is bullied may lash out at something near the bully as the bully has always the advantage. If the bully did not have the advantage they simply would remain in check and not bully. Also a bully who has been put in check may try alternate means other than direct confrontation if there is a chance they may lose the conflict.

There is clearly enough evidence for a criminal profiler to work with now. With every bomb a new piece of the puzzle is added.

New years eve. The first bombs were overdone as an attempt to make a big impact and stun the government. That was achieved. However because there was death and the public viewed it in such a negative way the fallout could be long lasting and result in loss of votes. At the time much of the findings now out were still under investigation and the sense of possible success of the TRT was in the air. There were very deliberate attempts to connect the blame to the southern most provinces but most saw it as political.

The second bomb was very clearly political. The time, size, and placement were done in a way to avoid the chance of causalities but still send a message. That would be completely opposite of what terrorists would want to achieve. The description of the bomber left much to be desired and all turned out to be dead ends.

Other minor bomb(s) were more meant as a message but also added a piece to the puzzle. Descriptions of a suspect with curly hair were clearly meant to point to other ethnic groups and not Thais. A typical 180 degree statement typical of Thaksin.

This bomb starts to show a pattern based on location. The bombers are selecting locations near to what they feels aggression towards. The mind set appears to be driven by rage and arrogance. There is very little if any logic that is apparent at this time except to cause instability in the government. Arrogance and destabilizing the government are both Thaksin signatures and goals.

Based on the information above I am convinced that all of this is connected to Thaksin in some way. The inability of the police to have success with this either reflects they are tied to the bombers or are incapable of a proper investigation. The bombs being smaller now and few if any injuries also reduces the priority placed on the investigation allowing it to simply find its way to nothingness sooner. If it was tied to the south the bombs would still be big and placed in high pedestrian traffic areas.

The impotency of the PTV / TRT / Thaksin rallies clearly made it obvious to me that a bomb would go off in the next few days. I expect more physical responses in the coming days that may include more assassinations and bombs. If I were to predict locations I would say the next targets will be tied to the events on the calendar in chronological order. Billions of Shin tax baht as that is now at the top of the list, followed by the people involved in possibly dissolving the TRT. There even may be a coup attempt by the class 10 group but that would be a difficult task at best as a last chance effort.

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Ridicule is the standard reaction to truth, most times, in this forum.

However IMHO I believe you're really on to some thing.

Again thank God none of these bombs have been made with C4.

In these days though, I dread it's only a matter of time...

[ray23]

Well seeing what was on TV it does make you wonder if there was going to be a serious investigation, the crime scene was not protected at all. Every body and his little brother was walking through it. You would never see that in the UK or the states. The smallest fragments can provide needed information. The same fragments that can be inbedded in shoes and carried away from the scene.

Nothing I saw indicated a serious investigation at all. Surely the officers here are trained better then that. Does make me wonder.

[Tony Clifton]

The bombs are not made with C4 because their only purpose is for show, not to hurt anyone but to discredit and distract the interim government while something is being cooked in a back room. The back room is not down South.

[TAWP]

Already forgotten who they put on wanted-list after new years eve bombings?

Clue: Connected to the south.

So in your eager to blame Thaksin or the military for _this_ bomb, don't try to pretend the previous was too.

[Flysiam]

George and the very few other posters who have contributed relevant information about this incident, thank you for taking the trouble to inform the forum. At the time I saw the email alert my wife was flying into Bangkok Airport so I was very interested in reading the news as it developed.

What is so sad is that the thread has been overwhelmed by irrelevant and, occasionally, personal remarks.................

So what is new about many of the threads I see here lately. A forum for personal attacks and one-up-manship. I have seen more useful rants from 2 year olds. But thanks to those who bring the news.

Edited May 6, 2007 by Flysiam

[blaze]

The bombs are not made with C4 because their only purpose is for show, not to hurt anyone but to discredit and distract the interim government while something is being cooked in a back room. The back room is not down South.

You could possibly be correct. The government is headed by PM Sarayuth. He has opposed the implimentation of emergency law. These sort of random 'bombings' might eventually cause him to realize that emergency rule is needed. Now in what back room are the most vociferous advocates of emergency law? As you say- it's not down south.

Or perhaps we are both wrong- maybe it is down south. Or maybe it's not back rooms at all but just back allys.

[Tony Clifton]

Already forgotten who they put on wanted-list after new years eve bombings?

Clue: Connected to the south.

So in your eager to blame Thaksin or the military for _this_ bomb, don't try to pretend the previous was too.

Were the south involved, there would be frequent bombings and way more carnage. Police investigations always ended up in a dead end and it looks like things haven't changed, there is still lots of dead wood to drag out of the Royal Thai Police, Pol. Col Thaksin still has lots of support in there. Add on top of the lack of a properly trained forensics team, help came from abroad. One forensic expert constantly sees her work obstructed by the police who come out with ridiculous autopsy reports and unbelievable crime scene reports.

Already forgotten that the New Year's suspect in question has been released? Had a food shop or business stall nearby, explaining why he was spotted on video, at a counter, not dropping a bomb. The fact that he was a Muslim proves absolutely nothing. He planted all the bombs?

Blaming Thaksin for a bomb is one thing, blaming his followers is another, even if he is not involved directly, it sure fits the way things were fixed in his days as PM. Ask Somchai the lawyer's widow, ask the anti-Thaksin senior citizens beat up by police hired thugs. He was never directly involved but it was done for him, many probably expecting a promotion or to be showered with loads of 1000 baht bills, like the crying women holding roses when Thaksin's family or relatives testify.

The bombs are not made with C4 because their only purpose is for show, not to hurt anyone but to discredit and distract the interim government while something is being cooked in a back room. The back room is not down South.

You could possibly be correct. The government is headed by PM Sarayuth. He has opposed the implimentation of emergency law. These sort of random 'bombings' might eventually cause him to realize that emergency rule is needed. Now in what back room are the most vociferous advocates of emergency law? As you say- it's not down south.

Or perhaps we are both wrong- maybe it is down south. Or maybe it's not back rooms at all but just back allys.

The are innumerable back alleys leading to even more back rooms right here in Bangkok, no need to look any further.

As for the emergency law, I could have seen it declared on New Year's eve, maybe, at least I thought it would for a few days. But then things went quiet, the bombs were probably not approved higher up, they went too far, and a new tv station appeared instead , plus more pro_Thaksin groups.

Why drive through Phuket when you're going from Bangkok to Chian mai...

Edited May 6, 2007 by Tony Clifton

[Morden]

Excuse me interrupting but has anyone seen any facts around here lately? Or would facts spoil the thread?

[MrSnrang]

So when does the bloody revolution begin this time?

[John K]

Excuse me interrupting but has anyone seen any facts around here lately? Or would facts spoil the thread?

The facts will probably never be truly know. You need to look at the bigger picture and come to your own conclusion.

If the government is relying on the police and the police are tied to the root bomber, you need to be your own detective here and not depend on them. History has already shown that on more than one occasion, that is why I provided the analysis in post #78. Other posts are speculations that may or may not fit the puzzle. This is like eating lobster, you need to work at it to get to the meat.