itgilman Posted December 12, 2020 Share Posted December 12, 2020 I know that same sex marriage is not yet legal in Thailand, but does anyone have any knowledge or experience of applying for a Thai spouse visa when the Thai/faring same sex couple are legally married in the farang’s country? I am a UK gay male legally married to my Thai partner in UK. I gave up my retirement visa back in February (pre covid situation). I had planned to switch to another, less expensive option. Now the pandemic has changed everything. But I wonder if I might have any success with a spouse visa in Thailand. I don’t intend to do this until August 2021, when perhaps the world may be a bit different, and travel and immigration less restrictive. I have heard that some Thai embassies and consulates in some countries will accept such visa applications based on same sex marriage. And what about applications within Thailand? Any thoughts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post ubonjoe Posted December 12, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted December 12, 2020 Thailand does not recognize same sex marriages for visas or extensions of stay. 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orchis Posted December 12, 2020 Share Posted December 12, 2020 2 hours ago, itgilman said: I have heard that some Thai embassies and consulates in some countries will accept such visa applications based on same sex marriage Could you expand on that? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itgilman Posted December 12, 2020 Author Share Posted December 12, 2020 4 hours ago, orchis said: Could you expand on that? I was told by a source I respect that it was possible for a farang in a same sex marriage with a Thai could apply to the Thai consulate in Savannakhet, Laos or in Ho Chi Min City, Vietnam for a 1 year Multiple Entry Non Imm O visa for reason of marriage. Marriage certificate would need to be shown. I have currently no way of verifying if this is correct. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post DrJack54 Posted December 12, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted December 12, 2020 17 minutes ago, itgilman said: I was told by a source I respect that it was possible for a farang in a same sex marriage with a Thai could apply to the Thai consulate in Savannakhet, Laos or in Ho Chi Min City, Vietnam for a 1 year Multiple Entry Non Imm O visa for reason of marriage. Marriage certificate would need to be shown. I have currently no way of verifying if this is correct. It is not correct. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BritTim Posted December 12, 2020 Share Posted December 12, 2020 If you find an unusually sympathetic embassy/consulate, it is possible (unlikely) you might get a Non O visa 'to visit Thai family or friends', what used to be called a social visa. This visa type is still on the books, but rarely issued today except to opposite sex spouses of Thais, or those with Thai children. I have heard rare accounts in recent years of this visa type being issued to others in exceptional circumstances. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chainarong Posted December 12, 2020 Share Posted December 12, 2020 (edited) I would get your partner to enquire and get a positive ruling at a Thai senior level, just to make sure , however, Ubonjoe answered your question. Edited December 12, 2020 by chainarong 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kensawadee Posted December 13, 2020 Share Posted December 13, 2020 Some 20 years ago or so there was a story in a Pattaya local newspaper I recall about an 'Italian guy' who married a Thai girl and took her back to Italy.... It was 3 years later that the Italian learned that his Thai wife was born as a 'boy' (A LADYBOY WITH SURGERY CONVERSION) and he wanted a divorce.... It was in the news...... It may not solve your problem but is may be worth a smile...... 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianthainess Posted December 13, 2020 Share Posted December 13, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, kensawadee said: Some 20 years ago or so there was a story in a Pattaya local newspaper I recall about an 'Italian guy' who married a Thai girl and took her back to Italy.... It was 3 years later that the Italian learned that his Thai wife was born as a 'boy' (A LADYBOY WITH SURGERY CONVERSION) and he wanted a divorce.... It was in the news...... It may not solve your problem but is may be worth a smile...... I call BS on this one, His Thai ID would say MALE, In Thailand if you are born a male you stay one, surgery or not. He could not have been married to a man in Thailand using his ID. Edited December 13, 2020 by brianthainess 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post connda Posted December 13, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted December 13, 2020 (edited) That would pose an interesting dilemma for the Thai Immigration authorities considering that there are different rules for foreign biological men married to Thai biological women and foreign biological women married to Thai biological men. Foreign biological women married to Thai biological men are under a set of rules that makes it easy for them to remain in Thailand as a family unit without worrying about being kicked out as they don't fall under that same parameters that foreign biological men married to Thai biological women are required to follow. One slip up and Thai immigration has no problem tossing a foreign man out of the country and destroying the foreign man-Thai woman family unit. You don't hear stories here of Immigration tossing out a foreign woman out of the country and destroying the Thai man-foreign woman family unit. Now - where would Thai immigration place the foreign partner of a same-sex couple? That would pose a significant difficulty for Thai immigration that I believe they would rather not address. Personally I don't care who is married to whom or under what circumstances as long as the marriage is legal. I just think the Thai immigration rules should apply equally across the board without discrimination. And personally I think same-sex marriages should be granted immigration status. It's a marriage! Edited December 13, 2020 by connda 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kune Bill Posted December 14, 2020 Share Posted December 14, 2020 The marriage must be registered in Thailand to get a visa as a spouse of a Thai citizen. Focus on registering your marriage in Thailand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSF Posted December 14, 2020 Share Posted December 14, 2020 18 hours ago, brianthainess said: I call BS on this one, His Thai ID would say MALE, In Thailand if you are born a male you stay one, surgery or not. He could not have been married to a man in Thailand using his ID. Agree, also the Italian guy would have been the one who did all the paperwork for getting married and getting a visa for his wife, so he would have made copies of his wife's birth certificate and Thai ID and had translations done. BTW: I first heard this story back in the 1980s, so it's an old one that's been floating around for decades. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kensawadee Posted December 14, 2020 Share Posted December 14, 2020 20 hours ago, brianthainess said: I call BS on this one, His Thai ID would say MALE, In Thailand if you are born a male you stay one, surgery or not. He could not have been married to a man in Thailand using his ID. I was only reporting an article I remember from long ago...... Too late to question it now..... Sorry if i messed up your day, I did not intend to......I hope you can forgive me....... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilotman Posted December 14, 2020 Share Posted December 14, 2020 22 hours ago, kensawadee said: Some 20 years ago or so there was a story in a Pattaya local newspaper I recall about an 'Italian guy' who married a Thai girl and took her back to Italy.... It was 3 years later that the Italian learned that his Thai wife was born as a 'boy' (A LADYBOY WITH SURGERY CONVERSION) and he wanted a divorce.... It was in the news...... It may not solve your problem but is may be worth a smile...... That cannot be true as the passport and ID would show a boy, that cannot be altered by reassignment surgery. therefore the 'marriage could not be legal in any sense. As to him not knowing, really?? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kensawadee Posted December 14, 2020 Share Posted December 14, 2020 2 hours ago, TSF said: Agree, also the Italian guy would have been the one who did all the paperwork for getting married and getting a visa for his wife, so he would have made copies of his wife's birth certificate and Thai ID and had translations done. BTW: I first heard this story back in the 1980s, so it's an old one that's been floating around for decades. Yes... so you also recall the story in a Pattaya newspaper (long ago).... ANYWAY whether true or not........ I just contributed the post as 'food for thought' and I apologize if i screwed up anybody's day.... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kensawadee Posted December 14, 2020 Share Posted December 14, 2020 10 minutes ago, Pilotman said: That cannot be true as the passport and ID would show a boy, that cannot be altered by reassignment surgery. therefore the 'marriage could not be legal in any sense. As to him not knowing, really?? I just read the article.... as verified by one other poster above...... Were you there? did you see it? TIT.... I didn't say that I had seen it, just that it appeared in the news years ago,,,, and with all the visa stuff and the Italian's possible 'attention'.... who knows 'if you weren't involved.... You can say what you will at this late date... BUT I had no 'Ill intent' and as only posting a recollection from the past.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neeranam Posted December 14, 2020 Share Posted December 14, 2020 1 minute ago, kensawadee said: I just read the article.... as verified by one other poster above...... Were you there? did you see it? TIT.... I didn't say that I had seen it, just that it appeared in the news years ago,,,, and with all the visa stuff and the Italian's possible 'attention'.... who knows 'if you weren't involved.... You can say what you will at this late date... BUT I had no 'Ill intent' and as only posting a recollection from the past.... I don't know why you posted it, as neither the Italian nor the Thai were gay. Might get a laugh in the Pattaya forum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilotman Posted December 14, 2020 Share Posted December 14, 2020 (edited) 5 minutes ago, kensawadee said: I just read the article.... as verified by one other poster above...... Were you there? did you see it? TIT.... I didn't say that I had seen it, just that it appeared in the news years ago,,,, and with all the visa stuff and the Italian's possible 'attention'.... who knows 'if you weren't involved.... You can say what you will at this late date... BUT I had no 'Ill intent' and as only posting a recollection from the past.... Please yourself mate, its impossible, end of. This needs to be pointed out to other readers, who may not be in the know and therefore mislead by the article you quoted. Edited December 14, 2020 by Pilotman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2530Ubon Posted December 14, 2020 Share Posted December 14, 2020 I'm surprised to see this thread is still alive - Ubonjoe answered the OP a few days ago. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kensawadee Posted December 14, 2020 Share Posted December 14, 2020 3 minutes ago, Pilotman said: Please yourself mate, its impossible, end of. I am pleased.... Thank you for your best wishes... great of you 'mate' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kensawadee Posted December 14, 2020 Share Posted December 14, 2020 5 minutes ago, 2530Ubon said: I'm surprised to see this thread is still alive - Ubonjoe answered the OP a few days ago. And I have 'utmost respect' for Ubonjoe .... I have always respected him and his contributions........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kraig62 Posted December 14, 2020 Share Posted December 14, 2020 You should contact Warren Gerdes. He’d be able to answer all your questions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2530Ubon Posted December 14, 2020 Share Posted December 14, 2020 5 hours ago, Kraig62 said: You should contact Warren Gerdes. He’d be able to answer all your questions. Why? Warren Gerdes is well documented to be with a ladyboy, and is not married. His visa is a non o extension based on retirement. UbonJoe has answered the question clearly and correctly already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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