EU's Barnier says: just hours left for a Brexit trade deal

[billd766]

2 hours ago, bannork said:

Hit a nerve again. 

The fact is only 37% of the electorate voted to leave, and of that 37%, how many believed the sweet promises of no problem leaving, only sunny uplands?.

Let's see how many wished we had remained in a few months or a year.  

You still don't seem to understand. Are you being obtuse or what?

 

There was a majority to leave in the DEMOCRATIC referendum, and in the UK the majority or those who got the most votes, win. This was reinforced in the election last year with a larger DEMOCRATIC majority.

 

In a democracy it doesn't matter how many people voted but who got the majority of the votes because they win the right to form a government or what ever.

 

I disliked the time when the Labour party was in power but I accepted it because it was a democratic decision. I didn't spend or waste my time complaining about it for years but waited for the next election to cast my vote. If my party won, then good for them and me. If they lost I waited for the next election.

 

I simply got on with my life without bitching, whining or complaining.

[david555]

18 minutes ago, CorpusChristie said:

 

  If theres no deal , then French fishing boats will not be able enter British waters , some which stretch 200 miles from our shores .

  Other E.U boats will not be able to enter British waters either , which means they will all congregate in French waters , it will be awfully crowded in your waters .

THose big Dutch hold are under U.K. flag .... they are owned by millionairs ... be sure they know what they do , and so do Boris .... would cost a fortune to get them back or in legal fees 

Frank Bonefaas  is the ship name 

 

Edited December 22, 2020 by david555

[david555]

30 minutes ago, CorpusChristie said:

 

  If theres no deal , then French fishing boats will not be able enter British waters , some which stretch 200 miles from our shores .

  Other E.U boats will not be able to enter British waters either , which means they will all congregate in French waters , it will be awfully crowded in your waters .

it is now already .....and after 31 December sure  awfully crowded in your Kent  ????

[david555]

36 minutes ago, CorpusChristie said:

 

  If theres no deal , then French fishing boats will not be able enter British waters , some which stretch 200 miles from our shores .

  Other E.U boats will not be able to enter British waters either , which means they will all congregate in French waters , it will be awfully crowded in your waters .

it is now already .... and sure after 31 December  awfully crowded in your Kent ????

[vinny41]

6 minutes ago, david555 said:

it is now already .... and sure after 31 December  awfully crowded in your Kent ????

It is crowded with French and European drivers trying to get home to their familes for christmas 

As the USA used to say collateral damage

[david555]

1 minute ago, vinny41 said:

It is crowded with French and European drivers trying to get home to their familes for christmas 

As the USA used to say collateral damage

No doubt about that .... but crowded it is included Brits as one was interviewed , many from wherever   

[CorpusChristie]

27 minutes ago, david555 said:

No doubt about that .... but crowded it is included Brits as one was interviewed , many from wherever   

 

   By the port area .

Your fellow Frenchmen are stranded in the UK in their lorrys , unable to get back home for Christmas and you seem joyous , because a few Brits living near the port are inconvenienced by their presence  .

  You are full of hatred , at Christmas as well 

[david555]

10 minutes ago, CorpusChristie said:

 

   By the port area .

Your fellow Frenchmen are stranded in the UK in their lorrys , unable to get back home for Christmas and you seem joyous , because a few Brits living near the port are inconvenienced by their presence  .

Christmas as well 

 " You are full of hatred "

 

Because i dont back down ..?????

Hatred is all over you ...you dont like a reply ....used to be always the upper one ....here your airplaine for those only 150 lorrys as Boris spoke ...few hours later officials spoke from 1500.

You really think it go be lesser 1 Jan.2021 with all the new paperwork and restrixtions never existed in 45 years ....

Good luck ...just push Macron further more....as this could gave him ideas ....

 

 

[CorpusChristie]

4 minutes ago, david555 said:

 " You are full of hatred "

 

Because i dont back down ..?????

 

 

  No, because no thoughts or compassion for the stranded lorry drivers , no thoughts or compassion for the affected locals , just see it as a "win" for France , you are unconcerned about anyones suffering , even your fellow Countrymen , you seem to actually be enjoying their suffering , maybe revenge because we left the E.U

    Enjoy your victory , celebrate for now , in a few weeks time, all the lorrys will be back in France and we will still have left the E.U.

  Celebrate, whilst you can 

[nauseus]

2 hours ago, david555 said:

THose big Dutch hold are under U.K. flag .... they are owned by millionairs ... be sure they know what they do , and so do Boris .... would cost a fortune to get them back or in legal fees 

Frank Bonefaas  is the ship name 

 

 

No it wouldn't. Take the flag back. Simples.

[nauseus]

1 hour ago, david555 said:

 " You are full of hatred "

 

Because i dont back down ..?????

Hatred is all over you ...you dont like a reply ....used to be always the upper one ....here your airplaine for those only 150 lorrys as Boris spoke ...few hours later officials spoke from 1500.

You really think it go be lesser 1 Jan.2021 with all the new paperwork and restrixtions never existed in 45 years ....

Good luck ...just push Macron further more....as this could gave him ideas ....

 

 

 

Good formation. I must say! 555

[bannork]

3 hours ago, billd766 said:

You still don't seem to understand. Are you being obtuse or what?

 

There was a majority to leave in the DEMOCRATIC referendum, and in the UK the majority or those who got the most votes, win. This was reinforced in the election last year with a larger DEMOCRATIC majority.

 

In a democracy it doesn't matter how many people voted but who got the majority of the votes because they win the right to form a government or what ever.

 

I disliked the time when the Labour party was in power but I accepted it because it was a democratic decision. I didn't spend or waste my time complaining about it for years but waited for the next election to cast my vote. If my party won, then good for them and me. If they lost I waited for the next election.

 

I simply got on with my life without bitching, whining or complaining.

Virulent words. In the last election the Tories didn't get the majority of votes by the way. They could form a government because of the first past the post system. Under proportional representation, a system adopted by many countries,  it would have been a different story.

But let's stick to the referendum.. The fact is only 37% of the electorate voted to leave, and of those 37% how many wanted to leave with no deal? There's no way of knowing because the politicians promised leaving would be easy with few costs.

Offering a binary solution to a complex question was stupid in my view and the UK will pay dearly until we rejoin the EU, if they'll have us back.

 

 

 

[candide]

1 hour ago, nauseus said:

 

No it wouldn't. Take the flag back. Simples.

Complete B.S.. These fishing rights (inside the current UK quota) have been sold and bought according to UK property law, not EU law. It's exactly the same as when foreigners bought houses and flats. The government cannot seize them without paying a fair compensation. That's UK law.

[Hi from France]

10 minutes ago, candide said:

Complete B.S.. These fishing rights (inside the current UK quota) have been sold and bought according to UK property law, not EU law. It's exactly the same as when foreigners bought houses and flats. The government cannot seize them without paying a fair compensation. That's UK law.

UK law doesn't mean much anymore, remember the Withdrawal Agreement was UK law. 

[candide]

1 minute ago, Hi from France said:

UK law doesn't mean much anymore, remember the Withdrawal Agreement was UK law. 

Which court is relevant in this case?

 

UK property rights issues are judged by UK courts according to UK laws. As far as I know, there's nothing in the current UK law which allows to deprive someone of his property rights because he is a foreigner. The law can be changed but cannot be applied retroactively.

[nauseus]

2 hours ago, candide said:

Complete B.S.. These fishing rights (inside the current UK quota) have been sold and bought according to UK property law, not EU law. It's exactly the same as when foreigners bought houses and flats. The government cannot seize them without paying a fair compensation. That's UK law.

 

Thanks so much for the comment. I was talking about vessel registry, not rights or quotas - the UK MCA can change flag eligibility rules if they want to, which may well restrict UK access and activity for foreign fishing vessels. EU designated quotas will not apply in the future but there may be some other arrangement. British fishing rights laws may change but, yes, compensation may be involved.

 

But I would bet that they want the fish, not the compensation. 

Edited December 22, 2020 by nauseus

[nauseus]

6 hours ago, david555 said:

it is now already .....and after 31 December sure  awfully crowded in your Kent  ????

 

never mind

 

555

Edited December 22, 2020 by nauseus

[Hi from France]

3 hours ago, candide said:

Which court is relevant in this case?

 

UK property rights issues are judged by UK courts according to UK laws. As far as I know, there's nothing in the current UK law which allows to deprive someone of his property rights because he is a foreigner. The law can be changed but cannot be applied retroactively.

I'm not very knowledgeable there but as I understand in a country with no written constitution like the UK a 50% majority in parliament allows to do absolutely anything you want. I might take a bit longer, furthermore Johnson has a solid majority.

 

In most rule of law countries, a two third (qualified) majority is required for major changes.

 

Here, BJ can pretty much pass whatever law he wants, then revoke it? See https://www.instituteforgovernment.org.uk/blog/internal-market-bill-breaks-international-law 

Edited December 22, 2020 by Hi from France

[david555]

2 hours ago, nauseus said:

 

Thanks so much for the comment. I was talking about vessel registry, not rights or quotas - the UK MCA can change flag eligibility rules if they want to, which may well restrict UK access and activity for foreign fishing vessels. EU designated quotas will not apply in the future but there may be some other arrangement. British fishing rights laws may change but, yes, compensation may be involved.

 

But I would bet that they want the fish, not the compensation. 

You might see less small foreign fishing ships in future .....but you shall still see those biggy ones still after 31 December ....unless Boris pay them big money .....good chance he do that !....only already for his personal  ego .To show to his electorate as a result because brexit ...tax payers pay anyway as they do now already for his friend Cummings golden handshake pay rise .....Nhs  personal can wait ....they have to do with some nice blustering words only from him ????

 

 

Edited December 22, 2020 by david555

[apetley]

Recently the EU offered the UK the chance to join their medicine buying consortium. The UK turned the offer down. As a consequence the UK is now paying $37 per dose for the Moderna vaccine whilst the EU pays $18 per dose. The UK's negotiating position seems to be constantly aiming for their own crotch.

[CorpusChristie]

7 minutes ago, apetley said:

Recently the EU offered the UK the chance to join their medicine buying consortium. The UK turned the offer down. As a consequence the UK is now paying $37 per dose for the Moderna vaccine whilst the EU pays $18 per dose. The UK's negotiating position seems to be constantly aiming for their own crotch.

 Why dont people provide links to their statements ?

Why do I constantly need to keep asking !!!!!!!!!

Do you have a link to that ?

[CorpusChristie]

10 hours ago, david555 said:

THose big Dutch hold are under U.K. flag .... they are owned by millionairs ... be sure they know what they do , and so do Boris .... would cost a fortune to get them back or in legal fees 

Frank Bonefaas  is the ship name 

 

 

  What is your point ?

Are you saying that as the French cannot fish in British waters , the UK should stop Dutch  boats as well ?

[apetley]

7 minutes ago, CorpusChristie said:

 Why dont people provide links to their statements ?

Why do I constantly need to keep asking !!!!!!!!!

Do you have a link to that ?

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/dec/18/belgian-minister-accidentally-tweets-eus-covid-vaccine-price-list

 

Price paid by UK was in another article, will post when I find it.

[luckyluke]

3 hours ago, nauseus said:

But I would bet that they want the fish, not the compensation. 

 

If nice compensation, no hard labor, some will sure hesitate.

 

But of course we both speculate.

[vinny41]

1 hour ago, CorpusChristie said:

 

  What is your point ?

Are you saying that as the French cannot fish in British waters , the UK should stop Dutch  boats as well ?

The French, The Irish, in a perfect world they would ban Dutch factory trawlers from French waters and Irish waters  if the EU allowed them 

Edited December 23, 2020 by vinny41

[david555]

4 hours ago, CorpusChristie said:

 Why dont people provide links to their statements ?

Why do I constantly need to keep asking !!!!!!!!!

Do you have a link to that ?

Links are only demanded if posting an artical from nespaper or dimilar  ...

 

( any Mod  moderating please clear it up if a made wrong explaining here now)

 

I dont think they go introduce that special for you ....????

 

 

 

[Mavideol]

15 hours ago, CorpusChristie said:

 

  If theres no deal , then French fishing boats will not be able enter British waters , some which stretch 200 miles from our shores .

  Other E.U boats will not be able to enter British waters either , which means they will all congregate in French waters , it will be awfully crowded in your waters .

how is that so, if French can not fish in the channel/la manche nor do the UK, check the width of the channel and explain how it will work out .... how far is your island from Belgium, Netherlands and Wales from Ireland, check your geography and you may understand the problem and why Macron is not accepting Boris gang BS....  555

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_Channel

 

The English Channel,^[a] also called simply the Channel, is an arm of the Atlantic Ocean that separates Southern England from northern France and links to the southern part of the North Sea by the Strait of Dover at its northeastern end. It is the busiest shipping area in the world.^[1]

It is about 560 km (350 mi) long and varies in width from 240 km (150 mi) at its widest to 34 km (21 mi) in the Strait of Dover.

 

 

[transam]

3 minutes ago, Mavideol said:

how is that so, if French can not fish in the channel/la manche nor do the UK, check the width of the channel and explain how it will work out .... how far is your island from Belgium, Netherlands and Wales from Ireland, check your geography and you may understand the problem and why Macron is not accepting Boris gang BS....  555

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_Channel

 

The English Channel,^[a] also called simply the Channel, is an arm of the Atlantic Ocean that separates Southern England from northern France and links to the southern part of the North Sea by the Strait of Dover at its northeastern end. It is the busiest shipping area in the world.^[1]

It is about 560 km (350 mi) long and varies in width from 240 km (150 mi) at its widest to 34 km (21 mi) in the Strait of Dover.

 

 

Argentina ignored Maggies "BS", it didn't pay off for them, did it... 

[Mavideol]

1 minute ago, transam said:

Argentina ignored Maggies "BS", it didn't pay off for them, did it... 

don't mix apples and oranges... don't divert/distract/sidetrack because you couldn't come with anything credible, facts are facts France and England (UK) are separated by The Channel which the width  is in some areas less then the 200 miles required for the fishing so called "international waters",  go ahead solve the problem and forward your answer to Boris & Macron, because for the past 4 years none could come up with any constructive proposal, UK fish goes swimming to France and vice versa, how will you separate them, which one is a French fish and which one is a UK fish

[CorpusChristie]

4 hours ago, apetley said:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/dec/18/belgian-minister-accidentally-tweets-eus-covid-vaccine-price-list

 

Price paid by UK was in another article, will post when I find it.

 

  That article just lists the different prices of the various different vaccines .

It doesnt back up you claim that the UK is paying double what Belgium are paying .

The UK paid premium price for the first vaccine available and have begun vaccinations  .

I believe Belgium have yet to approve the vaccine, so hasnt yet began its vaccination programe yet

You claim that the UK is paying $ 38 for a shot of the Moderna dose and Belgium is paying $ 18 .

As TWO doses are required , Two shots are needed , need to pay for two of them . do you think thats where the the price difference is ?

  Two doses and twice the price ?