EU's Barnier says: just hours left for a Brexit trade deal

[vinny41]

21 minutes ago, Mavideol said:

how is that so, if French can not fish in the channel/la manche nor do the UK, check the width of the channel and explain how it will work out .... how far is your island from Belgium, Netherlands and Wales from Ireland, check your geography and you may understand the problem and why Macron is not accepting Boris gang BS....  555

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_Channel

 

The English Channel,^[a] also called simply the Channel, is an arm of the Atlantic Ocean that separates Southern England from northern France and links to the southern part of the North Sea by the Strait of Dover at its northeastern end. It is the busiest shipping area in the world.^[1]

It is about 560 km (350 mi) long and varies in width from 240 km (150 mi) at its widest to 34 km (21 mi) in the Strait of Dover.

 

 

Here is a map of Uk eez inside the red lines is UK and you can see there an area of the English channel where French and other EU nations can fish 

https://data.jncc.gov.uk/data/891430c1-a073-4ec8-83d2-7468dce00fdf/JNCC-Report-497Pt2-FINAL-UK-obligations-boundaries-UKscale-revisedv2.pdf

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4 minutes ago, Mavideol said:

don't mix apples and oranges... don't divert/distract/sidetrack because you couldn't come with anything credible, facts are facts France and England (UK) are separated by The Channel which the width  is in some areas less then the 200 miles required for the fishing so called "international waters",  go ahead solve the problem and forward your answer to Boris & Macron, because for the past 4 years none could come up with any constructive proposal, UK fish goes swimming to France and vice versa, how will you separate them, which one is a French fish and which one is a UK fish

You just don't like facts put your way.

As for fish, they do what they want, usually start somewhere and finish somewhere else, bit like ducks, geese etc, but, where they are stopped, whether in water or in the air, is up to whoever owns that territory, and in the case of the UK waters, the EU OBVIOUSLY KNOWS we can control our waters, that's what the EU's problem is........????

[nauseus]

5 hours ago, luckyluke said:

 

If nice compensation, no hard labor, some will sure hesitate.

 

But of course we both speculate.

 

Well I did say "bet". But if they really don't prefer the fish over the cash, what's all the fuss about?

[evadgib]

Protocol agreed to reopen French border to UK arrivals

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Hauliers strongly urged not to travel to Kent until further notice.

 

TBH our ports are functioning normally (inc Dover). The situation in Kent has been part of various contingencies in place for exactly what we're seeing at the moment. The only panic seems to be the usual nonsense being whipped up by MSM according to hauliers & drivers themselves.

[CorpusChristie]

11 minutes ago, Mavideol said:

don't mix apples and oranges... don't divert/distract/sidetrack because you couldn't come with anything credible, facts are facts France and England (UK) are separated by The Channel which the width  is in some areas less then the 200 miles required for the fishing so called "international waters",  go ahead solve the problem and forward your answer to Boris & Macron, because for the past 4 years none could come up with any constructive proposal, UK fish goes swimming to France and vice versa, how will you separate them, which one is a French fish and which one is a UK fish

 

  Is an explanation required ?

[nauseus]

15 minutes ago, Mavideol said:

don't mix apples and oranges... don't divert/distract/sidetrack because you couldn't come with anything credible, facts are facts France and England (UK) are separated by The Channel which the width  is in some areas less then the 200 miles required for the fishing so called "international waters",  go ahead solve the problem and forward your answer to Boris & Macron, because for the past 4 years none could come up with any constructive proposal, UK fish goes swimming to France and vice versa, how will you separate them, which one is a French fish and which one is a UK fish

 

The Channel is much less than 400nm wide except for the extreme SW approaches. Where there is less than 400nm distance between two countries, the EEZ boundaries are simply defined along points equidistant from the coastlines of the countries concerned. Otherwise the EEZ extends out from the baseline (coastline) to a maximum of 200 nautical miles, for any country. 

 

[luckyluke]

5 minutes ago, nauseus said:

 

Well I did say "bet". But if they really don't prefer the fish over the cash, what's all the fuss about?

The fuss is made by the politicians, not the men in the street.

The people in the U.K. voted, the Leavers won, now every voter(Leaver/Remainer)  still have to wait what the politicians will make out of it.

In the E.U. the people  will simply have to abide what their politicians make out of this Brexit thing.

[nauseus]

1 minute ago, luckyluke said:

The fuss is made by the politicians, not the men in the street.

The people in the U.K. voted, the Leavers won, now every voter(Leaver/Remainer)  still have to wait what the politicians will make out of it.

In the E.U. the people  will simply have to abide what their politicians make out of this Brexit thing.

 

555 - have to disagree there with your first line"

 

The fuss is being made by the the men in the boats and the big European private operators who have had it too good for far too long. Jobs, livelihoods and profits.

 

More fuss is being made by the continental politicians (prime e.g. Macron) who are being pressured by the people described above.

[luckyluke]

6 minutes ago, nauseus said:

 

555 - have to disagree there with your first line"

 

The fuss is being made by the the men in the boats and the big European private operators who have had it too good for far too long. Jobs, livelihoods and profits.

 

More fuss is being made by the continental politicians (prime e.g. Macron) who are being pressured by the people described above.

That's a different perception than mine.

[vinny41]

14 minutes ago, luckyluke said:

The fuss is made by the politicians, not the men in the street.

The people in the U.K. voted, the Leavers won, now every voter(Leaver/Remainer)  still have to wait what the politicians will make out of it.

In the E.U. the people  will simply have to abide what their politicians make out of this Brexit thing.

The fuss is being made by the EU fisherman who were told don't worry nothing will change you access will  be status quo

[luckyluke]

4 minutes ago, vinny41 said:

 don't worry nothing will change you access will  be status quo

Which is still a possibility,

the French fishermen especially however, warned Mr. Macron that they won't be happy with a different outcome.

Or these fishermen won't have to worry, or a compensation will have to been instored.

 

 

 

 

[vinny41]

17 minutes ago, luckyluke said:

Which is still a possibility,

the French fishermen especially however, warned Mr. Macron that they won't be happy with a different outcome.

Or these fishermen won't have to worry, or a compensation will have to been instored.

 

 

 

 

Highly unlikely it would be like saying you can have you cake and eat it inside the club , outside the club same access

[Peter Denis]

1 hour ago, Mavideol said:

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UK fish goes swimming to France and vice versa, how will you separate them, which one is a French fish and which one is a UK fish

Easy, the UK fish is a 'loud mouth' while the French fish has bad breath. ????

Sorry, couldn't help posting some banter on this.  Jolly XMas!

[luckyluke]

1 minute ago, vinny41 said:

Highly unlikely

Once the situation is finally clear, and if necessary, the required measures will be put in place.

[Mavideol]

4 hours ago, CorpusChristie said:

 

  Is an explanation required ?

where are the 200 miles boundaries with France that you claimed earlier.... btw just imagine if Scotland gets independence all your mackerel will be gone with a stroke/cross of a pen 555

[Mavideol]

4 hours ago, vinny41 said:

Here is a map of Uk eez inside the red lines is UK and you can see there an area of the English channel where French and other EU nations can fish 

https://data.jncc.gov.uk/data/891430c1-a073-4ec8-83d2-7468dce00fdf/JNCC-Report-497Pt2-FINAL-UK-obligations-boundaries-UKscale-revisedv2.pdf

it looks like the map dates back to 2010-2013 and printed/publicized in 2014.... wonder if you do have anything more recent/updated ... 555

[Mavideol]

4 hours ago, CorpusChristie said:

 

  Is an explanation required ?

dates of publication and/or updated versions, please

[nauseus]

16 minutes ago, Mavideol said:

where are the 200 miles boundaries with France that you claimed earlier.... btw just imagine if Scotland gets independence all your mackerel will be gone with a stroke/cross of a pen 555

 

Nonsense. There is plenty enough mackerel for the domestic market in British, Welsh and IOM waters.

[Mavideol]

6 minutes ago, nauseus said:

 

Nonsense. There is plenty enough mackerel for the domestic market in British, Welsh and IOM waters.

really ??? did you look at his map, it showed all the mackerel far from Wales and don't know if IOM has enough by itself as they will have to share with Scotland

[vinny41]

34 minutes ago, Mavideol said:

it looks like the map dates back to 2010-2013 and printed/publicized in 2014.... wonder if you do have anything more recent/updated ... 555

that the latest map from the Uk Goverment , there would be no need to update the map as size of the UK EEZ has not increased or reduced over the past 6 years the same applies for the EU  side of this map

[Kwasaki]

50 minutes ago, Mavideol said:

where are the 200 miles boundaries with France that you claimed earlier.... btw just imagine if Scotland gets independence all your mackerel will be gone with a stroke/cross of a pen 555

How do you reckon that will happen since when did Scotland have a navy. ????????????????

[CorpusChristie]

2 hours ago, Mavideol said:

dates of publication and/or updated versions, please

 

  Nothing has changed recently 

[CorpusChristie]

2 hours ago, Mavideol said:

it looks like the map dates back to 2010-2013 and printed/publicized in 2014.... wonder if you do have anything more recent/updated ... 555

 

   The Countries havent moved, they are still in the same place .

The sea hasnt moved , its still in the same place .

And no rules/laws have changed since then 

[nauseus]

2 hours ago, Mavideol said:

really ??? did you look at his map, it showed all the mackerel far from Wales and don't know if IOM has enough by itself as they will have to share with Scotland

 

I have my own map (previous post) and another below. Mackerel can be had all around the UK but are seasonal anywhere.

The IOM has some of the best British marine fishing of all types and their own 12 mile limit "shares" almost nothing with Scotland. 

https://datahub.admiralty.co.uk/portal/apps/sites/#/marine-data-portal/items/3c0728a0a42d44b081b414f6bf50d78a

 

 

[CorpusChristie]

3 hours ago, Mavideol said:

where are the 200 miles boundaries with France that you claimed earlier.... btw just imagine if Scotland gets independence all your mackerel will be gone with a stroke/cross of a pen 555

 

  Wasnt me that claimed that .

But, that would be the blue bit next to France 

[CorpusChristie]

8 hours ago, Mavideol said:

don't mix apples and oranges... don't divert/distract/sidetrack because you couldn't come with anything credible, facts are facts France and England (UK) are separated by The Channel which the width  is in some areas less then the 200 miles required for the fishing so called "international waters",  go ahead solve the problem and forward your answer to Boris & Macron, because for the past 4 years none could come up with any constructive proposal, UK fish goes swimming to France and vice versa, how will you separate them, which one is a French fish and which one is a UK fish

 

   There is already a solution .

Countries have a 200 mile exclusive fishing zone .

When Countries are closer than 200 miles apart , the "border" is in the middle , between both countries .

If two Countries were 100 miles apart , then the border/fishing rights would be 50 miles from both countries