28 minutes ago, vogie said:

Yeah, Napoleon Bonaparte shouted something like 'come on if yer think yer hard enough' to the Duke of Wellington at Waterloo, that went well didn't it.

With many thanks to Blucher and the Prussians and the Dutch under crown prince William II

1 minute ago, puipuitom said:

With many thanks to Blucher and the Prussians and the Dutch under crown prince William II

You're a bit narky today puipuitom, everything ok?

22 minutes ago, luckyluke said:

 

Fishing with submarines ? ????

 

"The Royal Navy no longer possess maritime patrol aircraft (MPA) designed to track suspected submarines off British waters "

-The Independant-

You believe the French are gonna fish with submarines ????  well you don't really understand Englishmen and you don't understand the Royal Navy  either. A deal is there for EU to except but they won't so no deal happy new year. 

1 minute ago, vinny41 said:

 

 

Let me ask you do you think the EU offer to the UK of allowing the UK to keep 20% of the UK fishing stock is fair

 

20 % seems not much, when not knowing what is given in lieu of.

 

When knowing, it may represent a lot;

or than still not much.

 

All depending from which side it is considered.

 

Fair, non acceptable, are very relative concepts.

3 minutes ago, Kwasaki said:

well you don't really understand Englishmen

 

Correct.

 

2 minutes ago, luckyluke said:

 

20 % seems not much, when not knowing what is given in lieu of.

 

When knowing, it may represent a lot;

or than still not much.

 

All depending from which side it is considered.

 

Fair, non acceptable, are very relative concepts.

It seems the EU has increased its offer now to 25% of fish stock so would it be fair if the UK retained 75% of its fishing stock and allowed the EU 25% of UK fishing stock

14 hours ago, GrandPapillon said:

"More the first time it's been quite so obvious France and Germany are using the EC as a political shield - if it goes well, they'll take the credit, if it goes badly they'll let the Commission bureaucracy take the blame - hence the reason the Commission has been playing for no deal from day one, no upside to them in a 'pretty good' or 'win-win' deal."

Time you learn how the EU works.

 

There is only ONE deciding body = EU council , consisting of the heads of government of the U member states. They give the mandate to the negotiatorrs, and they get the report to decide over.

The EU commission is a kind of advisory, investigation and execution body under the presidency of Ursula von der Leyen. ( like the French president Macron and the French gov under the prime minister Jean Castrex ).

 

That's why Barrier wants to have a presentation of an agreement last Thursday, the meeting of the EU Council.  Remind: Jean-Claude Junkers and Ursula von der Leyen ONLYgot this job because the EU council wanted Barrier for the Brexit negotiations.

1 minute ago, vinny41 said:

It seems the EU has increased its offer now to 25% of fish stock so would it be fair if the UK retained 75% of its fishing stock and allowed the EU 25% of UK fishing stock

No idea without knowing all the factors involved.

 

18 minutes ago, puipuitom said:

And the nation of THESE people was also member of the EU...

 

Happy they finally leave.  Correct the mistake of NOT listening to Charles de Gaulle.

My father would fully agree Charles de Gaulle was right the EU or whatever it was called then should never of allowed the UK to join.

Remember my father back then saying  there will come a day when England will want out so he has been proved right although he forgot to mention the Welsh. ????

 

14 hours ago, vinny41 said:

If it all goes horribly wrong the Uk will play the Turkish Card in about 20 years from now

Since Turkey started the EU Accession process it has received billions of euros from the EU taxpayer

Has the EU seen a return from that investment

One of the stupidities of the EU: GIVE money. better: let others have a LOAN from the EU, even at 0,1% and pay-back in a hundred years. Or like the eternal assignats of Napoleon, see Assignat. Then every nation is remembered every year to the debt to the EU and what they thank the EU.

Fior Turkey: they now have a president who hates the EU, but.. based on just a 52 % of the votes. Might change next election completely, especially when the 2016 Turkish coup d'état attempt will be examined.

9 minutes ago, puipuitom said:

One of the stupidities of the EU: GIVE money. better: let others have a LOAN from the EU, even at 0,1% and pay-back in a hundred years. Or like the eternal assignats of Napoleon, see Assignat. Then every nation is remembered every year to the debt to the EU and what they thank the EU.

Fior Turkey: they now have a president who hates the EU, but.. based on just a 52 % of the votes. Might change next election completely, especially when the 2016 Turkish coup d'état attempt will be examined.

Turkey will elbow the EU the same as the USA they deal with Russia now. 

2 hours ago, GrandPapillon said:

If Boris doesn't surrender to the French, he will not get his EU deal, and then it's game over for him

 

Boris: 0, UK: -1, France: 2, EU: 1

For ONLY fish, 0.1% of GDP ? ( remind: a LOT of UK caught fish the British do not eat much, but is exported to the EU. From 1 Jan 2021: Export or move fish to the EU or NI from 1 January 2021 - GOV.UK (www.gov.uk). Ask the Thai fish exporters. Till now no British fish processor applied for that, so.. big joke 1 Jan: stuck with their fish). The cod + salmon, the British eat, comes from the Icelandic and Norwegian waters = associates of the EU

 

I think the Germans will laugh harder:

- UK competition for a LOT of "make" industry gone, e.g. the car industry.

- a LOT of financials now - close bye to the ECB - via Frankfurt = 6,9% of GDP 

34 minutes ago, vinny41 said:

There is over 300 different species of fish being found in coastal waters around the British Isles including Cod

https://badangling.com/sea-fish-species-guide/

 

Let me ask you do you think the EU offer to the UK of allowing the UK to keep 20% of the UK fishing stock is fair

The English sold 45 % of their quota to EU fishermen, Wales even over 80%. see Brexit trade deal: Who really owns UK fishing quotas? - BBC News

Why The UK's Brexit Stance On Fishing Rights Makes Very Little Sense | HuffPost UK (huffingtonpost.co.uk)

A ‘Brexit bonanza’ for UK fishing? That’s a fishy tale with an unhappy ending | Fishing industry | The Guardian

Privatising the seas: how the UK turned fishing rights into a commodity - Unearthed (greenpeace.org)

For British it is normal to whipe their shoes to treaties signed by the UK. Ask the Irish.

8 minutes ago, Kwasaki said:

Turkey will elbow the EU the same as the USA they deal with Russia now. 

Erdogan will not be eternally the Turkish president, whatever he swindles with the elections.

Bloody fish, ruining the world.

1 hour ago, vogie said:

Are you suggesting that the EU may use submarines to catch our fish?

No, they just let the British do.

And when the British fishermen discover, the British consumers does not want their catch enough, the EU will buy it... for a lousy price.

What Helmut Kohl said a 30 years ago: "when you easily can buy (the Ukraine grain fields / the Russian raw materials)... do not fight for it... "

Edited December 19, 20205 yr by puipuitom

2 hours ago, vogie said:

Boris will still be standing while Mr Macron would struggle to get a job at Harry Ramsdens, he has floundered and sold the French fishermen down the river, he is yesterdays man.

 

 floundered ????

1 hour ago, puipuitom said:

Just only a few 2,8%. Like Nissan, Airbus etc. A few % more workers depend on these few companies, and a LOT of suppliers of spare parts. See the part of Exports in the British GDP. 

Thanks for quoting these examples. So the bosses of Nissan-Renault or Airbus should be the go-to spokesmen for what is best for the UK? I think not, the UK electorate has already decided that, not foreign businessmen.

While these companies are undoubtedly major employers in their towns, they are not the biggest employers in the country. Their CEOs will just have to get used to the new rules. 

1 minute ago, puipuitom said:

No, they just let the British do.

And when the British fishermen discover, the British consumers does not want their catch enough, the EU will buy it... for a lousy price.

What Helmut Kohl said a 30 years ago: "when you easily can buy... do not fight for it... "

I certainly wouldn't put it past the EU to use submarines, the will go to any depths to get their hands on our fish.

7 minutes ago, Sujo said:

Bloody fish, ruining the world.

No, only dead fish.

The British see it as a sign of their independence, the rest op Europe only laughs about it. Such a small part of the economy, easy to buy-out all fishermen with the revenues import duty of UK material will generate.

Macron is allowed to make some fuzz about it, to keep the British busy, and NOT thinking of much grater stakes like their "make" industry and their financial services.

16 minutes ago, Loiner said:

Thanks for quoting these examples. So the bosses of Nissan-Renault or Airbus should be the go-to spokesmen for what is best for the UK? I think not, the UK electorate has already decided that, not foreign businessmen.

While these companies are undoubtedly major employers in their towns, they are not the biggest employers in the country. Their CEOs will just have to get used to the new rules. 

Just wait till their machinery are moved to the EU, and the British workers will be left with their unemployment allowance.

1 hour ago, BusyB said:

 

"Eu shackles"

 

The shackles are in your own heads.

No, they are written in EU rules and regulations, many also enshrined in UK law too. The EU we are now free of, thanks to Brexit.
If the shackles were only in our own heads, there would be none of these negotiations about laws and treaties to prevent the EU's attempts keep applying them for ever more.

17 minutes ago, vogie said:

I certainly wouldn't put it past the EU to use submarines, the will go to any depths to get their hands on our fish.

I thought the British have better knowledge what a sub can do and what surely NOT.

3 minutes ago, puipuitom said:

Just wait till their machinery are moved to the EU, and the British workers will be left with their unemployment allowance.

They have already decided, they are staying. It's not because they like the weather either.

8 minutes ago, vogie said:

I certainly wouldn't put it past the EU to use submarines, the will go to any depths to get their hands on our fish.

Groan.

 

French navy removing all submarine torpedo stocks now and fitting Dyson vacuums to forward tubes so that they can open the hatches and suck all the wet haddock in quick sharp before they have to close the doors again and pump out the torpedo rooms. Sonars with modified frequency software to ID big shoals of sea bass instead of Akula Class intruders. Simples but cunning.  

 

5 minutes ago, puipuitom said:

Just wait till their machinery are moved to the EU, and the British workers will be left with their unemployment allowance.

Nissan, Honda, Toyota wouldn't move to the EU, if they move anywhere it will be back to home Base Japan

10 minutes ago, puipuitom said:

No, only dead fish.

The British see it as a sign of their independence, the rest op Europe only laughs about it. Such a small part of the economy, easy to buy-out all fishermen with the revenues import duty of UK material will generate.

Macron is allowed to make some fuzz about it, to keep the British busy, and NOT thinking of much grater stakes like their "make" industry and their financial services.

 

Rats, forgot about them.

22 hours ago, Surelynot said:

...and there's the rub......he'll do what is best for him and him alone.

that sounds very familiar, I do think Boris is just copying his mentor .... the orange guy across the Atlantic also claimed only AMERICA first and in reality he meant " it's only and always TRUMP first" 555

11 minutes ago, puipuitom said:

No, only dead fish.

The British see it as a sign of their independence, the rest op Europe only laughs about it. Such a small part of the economy, easy to buy-out all fishermen with the revenues import duty of UK material will generate.

Macron is allowed to make some fuzz about it, to keep the British busy, and NOT thinking of much grater stakes like their "make" industry and their financial services.

It seems not everyone in the EU agrees with you

Brexit: French fishermen warn they will 'take action' if UK doesn't get a trade deal

Laurent says he and other French fishermen "won't accept" the UK ending the transition period without a deal.

https://news.sky.com/story/brexit-french-fishermen-warn-they-will-take-action-if-uk-doesnt-get-a-trade-deal-12166812

9 minutes ago, puipuitom said:

I thought the British have better knowledge what a sub can do and what surely NOT.

I was wondering about that, would the nets have to go up the torpedo tubes?