14 hours ago, internationalism said:

just yesterday they have approved 1.6bln for an unspecified vax, the next weak another 1.17bln for unspecified vax.

why this secrecy, lack of transparency?

$17 per shot is quite much, the top of what in Europe they are buying (and selling).

 

Already 6bln was spend on astrazeneca. Looks, like another 6bln for this same company. They would be in the second part of 2021.

 

money is flowing fast, but no vaccines

If the vaccine origin is not disclosed, the origin is immediately obvious.  

11 hours ago, Nout said:

And hopefully the leadership like in the USA

Leadership that resulted in the deaths of thousands of Americans needlessly?  We could do without that...

15 hours ago, snoop1130 said:

Anutin did not identify the manufacturer of Thailand's first batch but said the ministry had negotiated a purchase price of US$17 per dose. Next week it will ask the Cabinet to approve a Bt1.17 billion budget for procurement of the 2 million doses.

Correct me if i,m wrong, but has a Budget for Vaccine procurement already been passed.?

If it has, what has happened to the original Budget. Why does the Money for these few Vaccines not come from the Budget that has already been approved.

This could possibly be a procurement of some Vaccine other than the Oxford one, but ant an inflated price due to the urgency

 

As always,  a weak effort from the government.  

So far, 2 million doses plus 24 million more soon maybe.  Population almost 70 million.  ? 

13 hours ago, misterjames said:

They ordered 26 million doses of the Oxford vaccine from UK but I speculate the Oxford vaccine will go to the richest people while the poor will probably get some shady Chinese one.

If you follow the recommended precautions like washing hands,wear a mask, social distancing there should  be no need to be vaccinated. 

Bangkok and it's surrounding provinces have water from the tap which is chlorinated  perfect for sanitizing  around the home..Shower, Wash clothes, wipe over surfaces, mop the floor, wash plates,utensils in the water ,all becomes germ free..The water from the tap is 100% drinkable. 

I just hope that after I get the jab, I don't have an erection for 36 hours. 

6 minutes ago, Percy P said:

If you follow the recommended precautions like washing hands,wear a mask, social distancing there should  be no need to be vaccinated. 

Bangkok and it's surrounding provinces have water from the tap which is chlorinated  perfect for sanitizing  around the home..Shower, Wash clothes, wipe over surfaces, mop the floor, wash plates,utensils in the water ,all becomes germ free..The water from the tap is 100% drinkable. 

Tap water won't sanitize anything alone.  And for sure it's not 100% drinkable.  You know the source right?  That big polluted river than runs through the middle of town.  The delivery system is a bunch of poorly maintained pipes.

   8 minutes ago,  Percy P said: 

If you follow the recommended precautions like washing hands,wear a mask, social distancing there should  be no need to be vaccinated. 

Bangkok and it's surrounding provinces have water from the tap which is chlorinated  perfect for sanitizing  around the home..Shower, Wash clothes, wipe over surfaces, mop the floor, wash plates,utensils in the water ,all becomes germ free..The water from the tap is 100% drinkable. 

Great. So, you're willing to wear a medical band refusing Covid treatment and carry a DNR statement -- just in case, right? I'm sure you have the courage of your convictions. 

Edited January 1, 20215 yr by Ebumbu

The good news is the Astrazeneca shots only need to be chilled. The bad news is that after two shots the max protection is 70%. So not as effective as the others. 

 

2 shots @ $17 = a few drinks. Better than paying for a hospital intensive care stay?

Serum the major producer of the AZ vaccine in India has a production capacity of almost 100 million doses a month starting this month.

A delivery of 2 million to Thailand in February is not impossible and if anything seems light.

India will keep a lot of Serum's production but physically it probably cannot deliver more than 50 million doses to its population per month.There's a lot to go around.

The AZ vaccine is also made elsewhere including the UK and Australia. Judging from the Australian reports you need about 3 months to brew your first commercial batch and then it's business as usual.(Over simplified I know.)

12 hours ago, RR2020 said:

In my view this is for sure a Chinese vaccine.

 

Nobody else can offer anything........... Pfizer, Moderna and Ox/Az are all booked up.  Russian has limited Sputnik and not exporting yet.  Only China is looking for guinea pigs to tests its many many vaccines on.

 

 

CCP force test on own people regardless of what the side effects are. I certainly wont be getting a vaccine from the CCP. No time for bullies and thugs.

17 hours ago, snoop1130 said:

He has instructed the Food and Drug Administration to prepare regulations for the vaccine's approval.

 

you think Thai FDA will do clinical trial or lab test to see if it i safe for the precious THAI people or just put an OK  stamp & collect payment for their services ?

2 hours ago, vandeventer said:

If the cost is 17 usds than what will be our price? Will it be the same price for everyone?

Ill let you know as soon as the health minister gets back to me! ????

I thought AZ was supposed to make Thailand their regional center for vaccine production. What happened? Why is Thailand ordering from abroad?

Thailand is dragging it's feet over this vital matter. We have to hope that it doesn't come back to haunt them

 

The UK has already reached the milestone of 1m Pfizer inoculations.

 

It will begin to reel out it's own Oxford vaccine with 500, 000 doses on Monday.

 

Various reports as to the efficacy of the latter range from 70% into the nineties depending upon the dosage. Apparently this confusion is due to a mix up with Italian trials. There was some initial confusion.

It is far cheaper and requires less stringent handling measures. Oxford rings a comforting bell with me; but then I am English.

 

Therefore it would be my vaccine of choice. Nobody pays one penny for it in the UK. That's how it should be. There will be no queue-jumping, no preferential treatment. There is a well planned regime.

 

Mass vaccination has already begun throughout Europe. Ditto Russia.

 

Supplies are being flown throughout the world.

 

The end of February seems ridiculously tardy.

 

Why on earth is this?

 

There are already suggestions of profiteering ... let's hope these are unfounded.

 

Pull your finger out Prayut. This is not a matter of politics or profit, it is about the health of your citizens.

10 minutes ago, PatOngo said:

Ill let you know as soon as the health minister gets back to me! ????

Is US$17 the cost to the govt and then free to Thai folks?

 

Or, is US$17 paid by each Thai citizen?

'public health volunteers first to receive vaccine'

But not employed healthcare providers and medical staffs who must be in contact with covid-19 patients for testing & treatment nor long-term care facility residents and staffs?

Thereafter, what about front line employed essential workers and people aged 75 years and older?

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/recommendations.html

Odd priority.

 

 

4 minutes ago, scorecard said:

Is US$17 the cost to the govt and then free to Thai folks?

 

Or, is US$17 paid by each Thai citizen?

Please, the minister is a busy man and farang are not highest on his list, when he contacts me, I'll let you know! I would think that 2 million doses for a population of 68 million is as useless as an ashtray on a motorbike!

4 minutes ago, Srikcir said:

'public health volunteers first to receive vaccine'

But not employed healthcare providers and medical staffs who must be in contact with covid-19 patients for testing & treatment nor long-term care facility residents and staffs?

Thereafter, what about front line employed essential workers and people aged 75 years and older?

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/recommendations.html

Odd priority.

 

 

Even in the US, some states are not following the CDC guidelines.  Again. 

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2020/12/29/covid-vaccine-priority-group-elderly/

Texas, Florida and some other Republican-led states are bucking federal advice to provide early doses of the new coronavirus vaccines to front-line workers, choosing instead to prioritize the elderly — a decision exposing fissures in the nationwide immunization campaign.

12 hours ago, misterjames said:

Not my words but Anutin's I guess you don't remember what he said about foreigners? 

Yeh that's why I said it ???? 

 

Anutin is right, in a way, farangs are dirty. Why do you think western nations are out of control and now new Brit strain????

https://www.rt.com/op-ed/504625-covid19-flu-disappeared-replaced/
 

 

7 minutes ago, SmileyCat said:

Anutin is right, in a way, farangs are dirty. Why do you think western nations are out of control and now new Brit strain????

You are new, are'nt you! ???? 

17 hours ago, Jingthing said:

Thailand is part of COVAX. Part of their policy is non-transparency.

Also keep in mind that these vaccines generally require two doses.

So in general, divide by two.

So these numbers are needless to say -- NOT IMPRESSIVE. 

But the opportunity for corruption is.

Just now, hotchilli said:

But the opportunity for corruption is.

Maybe some difficulty negotiating the commission!

17 hours ago, snoop1130 said:

ministry had negotiated a purchase price of US$17 per dose. Next week it will ask the Cabinet to approve a Bt1.17 billion budget for procurement of the 2 million doses.

Huh.  Good (Not) Maths

sooner the better! Just buy them Thailand and let's get back to normal. Should be free, but 17$ no big deal, just do it!

2 minutes ago, joe jadore said:

sooner the better! Just buy them Thailand and let's get back to normal. Should be free, but 17$ no big deal, just do it!

1 million recipients will not get things back to normal!

3 minutes ago, joe jadore said:

sooner the better! Just buy them Thailand and let's get back to normal. Should be free, but 17$ no big deal, just do it!

So something that is paramount to opening borders and getting economies rolling again needs to be charged 17$. Makes you wonder!

I'd rather have an antidote.  https://www.rt.com/russia/511116-world-first-covid19-antidote/