Let's talk about trying to cheat! Next congress session may not turn out as expected by Cruz and Trump!????????????????????????

 

"So look. All I want to do is this. I just want to find 11,780 votes, which is one more than we have,” Trump told Raffensperger, laying bare his overriding goal of overturning the November election results."

https://news.yahoo.com/trump-georgia-runoffs-190320492.html

 

 

Edited January 3, 20215 yr by candide

Post with a trolling meme has been removed.  This is a discussion forum.

 

Impeachment v2, electric boogaloo.  WaPo just release a recording of the one term loser trying to urge the Georgia Secretary of State to try flip the election.  Cue the deniers as their heads explode. ????

 

I could post the links but they like to delete that stuff around here.  Google it to hear the recording.

 

Edited January 3, 20215 yr by shdmn

6 minutes ago, shdmn said:

Google it to hear the recording.

 

Or look two posts above 

6 minutes ago, Salerno said:

 

Or look two posts above 

I didn't see that.  They delete those posts sometimes.  They probably get a lot of the mouth breathers reporting it because it hurts their delicate feelings.  So we shall see if they let it stay or not.

Edited January 3, 20215 yr by shdmn

18 hours ago, rooster59 said:

U.S. Senator Cruz leads long-shot Republican bid to overturn Biden's victory

By Jason Lange and Timothy Gardner

 

U.S. Senator Ted Cruz (R-TX) speaks at a campaign event ahead of runoff races in Georgia for control of U.S. Senate, in Cumming, Georgia, U.S., January 2, 2021. REUTERS/Elijah Nouvelage

 

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - U.S. Senator Ted Cruz on Saturday said he will spearhead a drive by nearly a dozen Republican senators to challenge President-elect Joe Biden’s victory when Electoral College results are tallied in Congress on Jan. 6 – a largely symbolic move that has virtually no chance of preventing Biden from taking office.

 

Cruz's effort is in defiance of Senate Republican leaders, who have argued that the Senate's role in certifying the election is largely ceremonial and had been looking to avoid an extended debate on the floor about the outcome.

 

In a statement, Cruz, the U.S. senator from Texas, and the other 10 senators said they intend to vote to reject electors from states that have been at the center of President Donald Trump’s unproven assertions of election fraud. They said Congress should immediately appoint a commission to conduct an emergency 10-day audit of election results in those states.

 

"Once completed, individual states would evaluate the commission's findings and could convene a special legislative session to certify a change in their vote, if needed," they said.

 

It was not immediately clear which states would be subject to the proposed audit, Cruz's office said.

 

Democrats and some moderate Republicans blasted the move by the senators as undemocratic. A spokesman for the Biden campaign, Michael Gwin, dismissed the move as theater that is not supported by any evidence.

 

"This stunt won’t change the fact that President-elect Biden will be sworn in on Jan. 20, and these baseless claims have already been examined and dismissed by Trump’s own attorney general, dozens of courts, and election officials from both parties," he said.

 

The push for an audit is a political stunt that will not affect the outcome of the election, said Derek Muller, a law professor at the University of Iowa.

 

Muller said that, while the 1887 law governing how lawmakers validate the election is murky, most scholars believe that Congress lacks the legal authority to require the audit.

 

Even if lawmakers had that power, a majority of both chambers would need to support the audit, and there is virtually no chance of the proposal having that level of support, he said.

 

Biden beat Trump by a 306-232 margin in the Electoral College.

 

Under the Electoral College system, "electoral votes" are allotted to states and the District of Columbia based on their congressional representation.

 

Trump has been encouraging Republicans to prevent Biden from taking office, although there is no viable mechanism for them to do so.

 

Legal challenges by Trump and his allies in the courts to overturn the election results have met with resounding failure. On Friday, a federal judge threw out a lawsuit brought by Representative Louie Gohmert that sought to allow Vice President Mike Pence, who presides over the Congressional tally, to declare Trump the victor on Jan. 6.

 

Pence's chief of staff, Marc Short, said in a statement on Saturday that lawmakers have the right to raise their objections.

 

"The Vice President welcomes the efforts of members of the House and Senate to use the authority they have under the law to raise objections and bring forward evidence before the Congress and the American people on Jan. 6," Short said.

 

The effort by Cruz and other Republicans comes days after Senator Josh Hawley of Missouri became the first sitting member of the Senate to announce he would challenge the election result. A number of Republicans in the U.S. House of Representatives also plan on contesting the vote tally.

 

Cruz was joined in the statement by Senators Ron Johnson, James Lankford, Steve Daines, John Kennedy, Marsha Blackburn, Mike Braun, along with Senators-elect Cynthia Lummis, Tommy Tuberville, Bill Hagerty, and Roger Marshall, all of whom will be sworn in as senators on Sunday in the new Congress.

 

In Cruz's statement, the senators said they did not necessarily expect their gambit to succeed.

 

"We are not naïve. We fully expect most if not all Democrats, and perhaps more than a few Republicans, to vote otherwise," they said.

 

Several Republicans senators have said they do not support any effort to derail the certification of the Electoral College vote.

 

Majority Leader Mitch McConnell, the Senate’s top Republican, acknowledged Biden’s victory on Dec. 15 and has urged other Republicans to refrain from objecting on Jan. 6.

 

Republican Senator Pat Toomey of swing state Pennsylvania, who is set to retire, criticized Cruz and others for undermining the will of voters to choose their leaders and said Trump's loss in his state is due to the decline in suburban support for the president and loss of support in most rural counties, not fraud.

 

"I intend to vigorously defend our form of government by opposing this effort to disenfranchise millions of voters in my state and others," he said.

 

Utah Senator Mitt Romney, the only Republican to vote to impeach Trump for seeking help from a foreign government to investigate his political rival, expressed dismay at his party's support of the effort to overturn election results.

 

"I could never have imagined seeing these things in the greatest democracy in the world. Has ambition so eclipsed principle?" Romney said in a statement.

 

(Reporting by Jason Lange, Tim Gardner, Jan Wolfe, Trevor Hunnicutt and Valerie Volcovici; Writing by James Oliphant; Editing by Noeleen Walder, Diane Craft, Daniel Wallis and David Gregorio)

 

-- © Copyright Reuters 2021-01-03

 

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Ted really pulls off that Latin American dictator look and rhetoric. 

2 hours ago, Patong2021 said:

So many stupid comments on thread about Senator Cruz.  He is no idiot and he is a cunning calculated man of intellectual superiority. And common to such people he has the fault of hubris and arrogance. It will be his downfall, but only he can bring his downfall about. He has read his voter base and he understands the American mentality. He is giving the people what they want. Is that not democracy?

 

- The man left USA when he was 4 years old. His parents were educated  oil industry  professionals. The people on here who make comment to deport to his "home country" or make joke of father origin in Cuba 

are no better than the people they criticize because they attack him for being  immigrant and somehow less "American" than others. Disgusting.

 

- He graduated cum laude from Princeton. You don't do that unless intelligent and a hard workler.

- He won many academic and extracurricular awards for his  abilities.

- He graduated from harvard law school with  top grades and was described by professors as brilliant and was given an academic fellowship, which is reserved only  for the USA's top scholars.

- He was selected to serve as clerk for two of the USA's top judges. One of them was the  Chief Justice of US Supreme Court. You don't get that job unless you are the best of the best.

 

The man is intellectually above his critics. Some do not agree with his views but he is as passionate about them as others are of their own views. Because we do not agree, does not make him wrong.

I see him as an evil genius, misguided and driven because of his superiority over others, but having had to endure the idiotic comments about being immigrant  or not wealthy as a kid and of coming from a broken home. perhaps with love and understanding he will change. It worked for Luke when he met his father Darth Vader.

Nice rant but maybe check your facts before pressing send next time. Ted Cruz was born in Foothills Hospital, Calgary, State of Alberta, Canada. I do agree with your conclusion. Ted talks down to the level of his would be supporters just like Trump and W. 

Wonder what’s teds thoughts on trumps (perfect phone call) to Georgia’s sec of state wow!! Tell you what I have deep respect for Georgia’s sec of state now there’s a man of courage and principles kodos sir 

Ted Cruz sees democracy the same way he sees his wife - as something not worth defending.

Edited January 3, 20215 yr by shdmn

17 minutes ago, shdmn said:

Ted Cruz sees democracy the same way he sees his wife - as something not worth defending.

Ouch!!! But accurate imo

59 minutes ago, pegman said:

Nice rant but maybe check your facts before pressing send next time. Ted Cruz was born in Foothills Hospital, Calgary, State of Alberta, Canada. I do agree with your conclusion. Ted talks down to the level of his would be supporters just like Trump and W. 

Then how did he make a run for president if he was born in another country?

6 minutes ago, Sujo said:

Then how did he make a run for president if he was born in another country?

The legal consensus is that Cruz qualifies because he was born to a U.S. citizen living abroad, making him a U.S. citizen at birth.

14 hours ago, vandeventer said:

Get used to him as he will be the President in 2024 as soon as Trump does the next 4 more years!

Join the fight to stop the steal!  Cash your covid relief and social security checks and sent the money to Cruz or other repubs.  

4 hours ago, Patong2021 said:

So many stupid comments on thread about Senator Cruz.  He is no idiot and he is a cunning calculated man of intellectual superiority. And common to such people he has the fault of hubris and arrogance. It will be his downfall, but only he can bring his downfall about. He has read his voter base and he understands the American mentality. He is giving the people what they want. Is that not democracy?

 

- The man left USA when he was 4 years old. His parents were educated  oil industry  professionals. The people on here who make comment to deport to his "home country" or make joke of father origin in Cuba 

are no better than the people they criticize because they attack him for being  immigrant and somehow less "American" than others. Disgusting.

 

- He graduated cum laude from Princeton. You don't do that unless intelligent and a hard workler.

- He won many academic and extracurricular awards for his  abilities.

- He graduated from harvard law school with  top grades and was described by professors as brilliant and was given an academic fellowship, which is reserved only  for the USA's top scholars.

- He was selected to serve as clerk for two of the USA's top judges. One of them was the  Chief Justice of US Supreme Court. You don't get that job unless you are the best of the best.

 

The man is intellectually above his critics. Some do not agree with his views but he is as passionate about them as others are of their own views. Because we do not agree, does not make him wrong.

I see him as an evil genius, misguided and driven because of his superiority over others, but having had to endure the idiotic comments about being immigrant  or not wealthy as a kid and of coming from a broken home. perhaps with love and understanding he will change. It worked for Luke when he met his father Darth Vader.

Cruz is disgusting.  He's calling for sedition, which is a federal offense.  He should be jailed.  Plus, he's a liar as has been proven by his statements.

 

Brilliant or not, he's helping to ruin American democracy.  Thus, disgusting.

21 hours ago, rooster59 said:

U.S. Senator Cruz leads long-shot Republican bid to overturn Biden's victory

 

Not so sure this is a long shot anymore.  Looks like Pence is onboard.

 

"As vice president, and president of the Senate, Pence will oversee the certification of the results."

 

https://www.businessinsider.com/pence-welcomes-gop-lawmakers-bid-to-challenge-bidens-win-2021-1

Edited January 4, 20215 yr by Kelsall

2 minutes ago, Kelsall said:

 

Not so sure this is a long shot anymore.  Looks like Pence is onboard.

 

https://www.businessinsider.com/pence-welcomes-gop-lawmakers-bid-to-challenge-bidens-win-2021-1

Oh it’s still an impossibly long shot. Adding another voice to the GOP whine-a-thon doesn’t really change anything.

18 minutes ago, Kelsall said:

 

Not so sure this is a long shot anymore.  Looks like Pence is onboard.

 

https://www.businessinsider.com/pence-welcomes-gop-lawmakers-bid-to-challenge-bidens-win-2021-1

It's a long shot.  These guys are going to have negative political repercussions for years to come.  The GOP party is splitting, many are leaving (like me), and more people of color are in the US. 

 

Pence and all those trying to overturn the certified election should be tried for sedition.  Immediately.  Or, on Jan 21st.

24 minutes ago, Kelsall said:

 

Not so sure this is a long shot anymore.  Looks like Pence is onboard.

 

"As vice president, and president of the Senate, Pence will oversee the certification of the results."

 

You think he’ll tear the votes apart and announce: “mmkay, I guess it was the Don”?

 

Maybe have a look in your own constitution to understand what he’ll do. 

20 hours ago, OneMoreFarang said:

Somehow I think it's almost funny when some of those American politicians change their look to that wilderness rough guy look. Do right wing voters like that look?

The "I would like to rough it up in the bush for a week hunting for zombies with my AR-15 but no-one will have me.."look?

 

Dime a dozen amongst US pollies living their disney generated fantasies.It's been going on since Davey Crocket....getting worse now.

7 hours ago, Patong2021 said:

So many stupid comments on thread about Senator Cruz.  He is no idiot and he is a cunning calculated man of intellectual superiority. And common to such people he has the fault of hubris and arrogance. It will be his downfall, but only he can bring his downfall about. He has read his voter base and he understands the American mentality. He is giving the people what they want. Is that not democracy?

 

- The man left USA when he was 4 years old. His parents were educated  oil industry  professionals. The people on here who make comment to deport to his "home country" or make joke of father origin in Cuba 

are no better than the people they criticize because they attack him for being  immigrant and somehow less "American" than others. Disgusting.

 

- He graduated cum laude from Princeton. You don't do that unless intelligent and a hard workler.

- He won many academic and extracurricular awards for his  abilities.

- He graduated from harvard law school with  top grades and was described by professors as brilliant and was given an academic fellowship, which is reserved only  for the USA's top scholars.

- He was selected to serve as clerk for two of the USA's top judges. One of them was the  Chief Justice of US Supreme Court. You don't get that job unless you are the best of the best.

 

The man is intellectually above his critics. Some do not agree with his views but he is as passionate about them as others are of their own views. Because we do not agree, does not make him wrong.

I see him as an evil genius, misguided and driven because of his superiority over others, but having had to endure the idiotic comments about being immigrant  or not wealthy as a kid and of coming from a broken home. perhaps with love and understanding he will change. It worked for Luke when he met his father Darth Vader.

 

To say nothing of the fact that Cruz is yet another psychopath.  Just by the way, Cruz is the one whose US citizenship is in doubt.  He was born in Canada to a US mother.  All she had to do to assure her child's US citizenship was file a specific form, which she apparently never did.

Off-topic post and replies reported and removed.

 

2 hours ago, mikebike said:

Oh it’s still an impossibly long shot. Adding another voice to the GOP whine-a-thon doesn’t really change anything.

 

1 hour ago, Jeffr2 said:

https://www.businessinsider.com/pence-welcomes-gop-lawmakers-bid-to-challenge-bidens-win-2021-1

Agree, the whole thing is an extremely long shot, however perhaps we are seeing the true colours of the Republican party now and not only with the morons trying to overturn the election result, but with folks like Cruz with his ranting.

 

One thing that has always puzzled me was how Pence, who is supposedly a devout Christian and true to the Christian faith, could support trump when everything that trump has done has been counter to the majority of Christian beliefs (i.e. the 10 Commandments) and even more disgusting was when Pence was pictured at many trump rallies, standing behind him and applauding, after trump had spouted many lies.

 

How somebody could be so two-faced and dishonest to do that was always a matter of disgust as far as I was concerned, and now this latest statement about welcoming a bid to overturn/challenge democracy in the USA, further adds to that disgust.

2 hours ago, Kelsall said:

 

Not so sure this is a long shot anymore.  Looks like Pence is onboard.

 

"As vice president, and president of the Senate, Pence will oversee the certification of the results."

 

https://www.businessinsider.com/pence-welcomes-gop-lawmakers-bid-to-challenge-bidens-win-2021-1

Nonsense. This is obviously just a tactic for Pence to claim he supported challenging the vote without actually doing anything illegitmate himself.

36 minutes ago, xylophone said:

 

Agree, the whole thing is an extremely long shot, however perhaps we are seeing the true colours of the Republican party now and not only with the morons trying to overturn the election result, but with folks like Cruz with his ranting.

 

One thing that has always puzzled me was how Pence, who is supposedly a devout Christian and true to the Christian faith, could support trump when everything that trump has done has been counter to the majority of Christian beliefs (i.e. the 10 Commandments) and even more disgusting was when Pence was pictured at many trump rallies, standing behind him and applauding, after trump had spouted many lies.

 

How somebody could be so two-faced and dishonest to do that was always a matter of disgust as far as I was concerned, and now this latest statement about welcoming a bid to overturn/challenge democracy in the USA, further adds to that disgust.

Don't forget that Pence was a talk show host for a very conservative outlet before becoming VP.  One of the biggest problems in the US today.  Fake news sites like these.

Josh Hawley is another turncoat liar like Cruz and all the rest:

 

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/jan/03/trump-republicans-electoral-college-results-senators-cruz-hawley-romney

 

Quote

 

On CNN, Tapper played remarks by Hawley from January, during Trump’s impeachment.

 

“The consequences to the republic of overturning an election because you don’t like the result,” Hawley said, “and because you believe that that election was somehow corrupted, when in fact, the evidence shows that it was not … that’s an interesting approach. I think it’s crazy, frankly.”

 

 

4 hours ago, Kelsall said:

 

Not so sure this is a long shot anymore.  Looks like Pence is onboard.

 

"As vice president, and president of the Senate, Pence will oversee the certification of the results."

 

https://www.businessinsider.com/pence-welcomes-gop-lawmakers-bid-to-challenge-bidens-win-2021-1

You can keep hoping, but Congress just announced that the rules regarding the Electoral College will remain the same...

 

[The rules of Congress' Jan. 6 session governing the counting of Electoral College votes will remain identical to those used for decades, under a resolution adopted Sunday by the House and Senate.]

 

[As dozens of Republicans in the House and Senate threaten to challenge President-elect Joe Biden's victory — citing baseless claims of widespread fraud and irregularities — the rules have taken on new prominence, but none of those Republicans sought to block the adoption of the rules, even though some had supported an effort to block them in court.]

 

[Some Trump allies are encouraging Pence to try to take control of the session regardless of the rules and simply refuse to introduce Biden's electors in states that Trump has challenged. But Pence declined to embrace that strategy in court, and Congress would similarly refuse to entertain such an effort.]

 

https://www.yahoo.com/news/congressional-leaders-unveil-rules-governing-184634817.html

 

These Republicans planning to contest the EC on 6 Jan already know that Biden will be President.  All they're doing is showing their base of supporters that they're still fighting for Trump.  Mostly for self-preservation and to avoid a rage tweet from Trump.

23 hours ago, spidermike007 said:

Ambition, combined with a blind sense of fealty to the master, has absolutely eclipsed loyalty to democracy, honor, decency, truth, righteousness, dignity, common sense, and reason. The republican congressmen and senators who support Trump's election fraud nonsense, are absolute traitors to their nation. Cruz is chief amongst them. If he ever had any credibility, it is gone, baby gone. Even McConnell has come to his senses, after years of supporting the divider in chief. 

They all will get there when the seditious traitors backing trump and his coup attmept are put on trials. 

7 hours ago, shdmn said:

I didn't see that.  They delete those posts sometimes.  They probably get a lot of the mouth breathers reporting it because it hurts their delicate feelings.  So we shall see if they let it stay or not.

 

nothing to do with "mouth breathers."

 

posts with questionable, unapproved sources get deleted.  post something from a reliable news source and it stays.

Just now, ChouDoufu said:

 

nothing to do with "mouth breathers."

 

posts with questionable, unapproved sources get deleted.  post something from a reliable news source and it stays.

Stunning some don't get this. And stunning they fall for the fake news and Trump's lies.  I don't get it....

On 1/3/2021 at 9:47 AM, Surelynot said:

Cruz......Probably one of the most disgusting human beings to have ever walked on the Earth.

His name isn't even Ted, it's Rafael Edward Cruz. His daughter posted a SCATHING video. Google it. Doesn't matter what your politics are, it's funny!