Twitter permanently suspends Trump's account, cites 'incitement of violence' risk

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2 minutes ago, GrandPapillon said:

maybe, so if Twitter had any courage, they should have shutdown that account long ago,

 

I bet the media uproar, and the mobs rule would have forced Twitter to "unban" his account

 

that's exactly my point, they act like a dominating private army, like they "own" the cloud, and have no principles, not even following their own abusive EULA.

 

I was a bit uncomfortable with the upcoming legislation on EULA, but now I see how it's necessary, they jumped the shark. Trump is just the prop.

The difference is that by Trump choosing to punish people he was violating their 1st Amendment rights.

Not so with Twitter.

And yes, they were cowardly. They should have banned him long ago. As for the media uproar and mobs, well, that's a nice thing about hypotheticals. They can't be disproved.

[GrandPapillon]

there is already a media uproar about Trump account shutdown, maybe not in the US, but here in Europe a lot of political leaders do not agree with this, even if they disliked Trump

[Hanaguma]

3 minutes ago, welovesundaysatspace said:

So your point is that defamation and incitement to commit crimes isn’t “exceptional” enough, so the first amendment rights of Twitter may be violated by the government? 

 

If those were the standards applied to all, Twitter would be a barren wasteland with the electronic equivalent of tumbleweeds blowing through the ether.

[welovesundaysatspace]

1 minute ago, GrandPapillon said:

there is already a media uproar about Trump account shutdown, maybe not in the US, but here in Europe

As a European, I can tell you there’s as much “media uproar” as there was evidence for widespread voter fraud in the US election. 

[Hanaguma]

1 minute ago, GrandPapillon said:

there is already a media uproar about Trump account shutdown, maybe not in the US, but here in Europe a lot of political leaders do not agree with this, even if they disliked Trump

The problem is that so many people cannot see past their hatred/fear of Trump.   Suppose that Twitter wanted to ban Joe Biden, or Barack Obama, for whatever whimsical reason- or no reason at all?  The shoe would surely pinch in that case.

[welovesundaysatspace]

3 minutes ago, Hanaguma said:

If those were the standards applied to all, Twitter would be a barren wasteland with the electronic equivalent of tumbleweeds blowing through the ether.

So your point is that criminals and rule breakers should get a free pass based on the fact that others got away with it too? Would that apply to all types of criminals or only when it suits your agenda? 

[GrandPapillon]

not sure in which country you are, or maybe you are ignoring the news, but Merkel, and a few other EU leaders are not happy with Twitter shutdown of Trump

 

political commentaries on TV, opposition leaders (including leftists) are questioning Twitter and digital media future roles over Trump account banning

 

I think Twitter actions will eventually backfire, above all in the EU, where GAFA roles are being seriously questioned over the last few months

 

Think GDPR++

[GrandPapillon]

Just now, welovesundaysatspace said:

So your point is that criminals and rule breakers should get a free pass based on the fact that others got away with it too? Would that apply to all types of criminals or only when it suits your agenda? 

now you are being ridiculous and trolling ????

[welovesundaysatspace]

3 minutes ago, Hanaguma said:

Suppose that Twitter wanted to ban Joe Biden, or Barack Obama, for whatever whimsical reason- or no reason at all?  The shoe would surely pinch in that case.

Joe Biden and Barack Obama behave like decent people, so you could as well start your argument with “suppose we were living on a flat earth”. 

[welovesundaysatspace]

Just now, GrandPapillon said:

now you are being ridiculous and trolling ????

I’m afraid that was his point. But maybe he should answer what his point was instead of you? ???? 

[Opl]

1 minute ago, GrandPapillon said:

there is already a media uproar about Trump account shutdown, maybe not in the US, but here in Europe a lot of political leaders do not agree with this, even if they disliked Trump

we really have bigger fish to fry, but welcome the debate to finally limit the toxic combination of social media + conspiracy theories -  never too late    

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1 minute ago, GrandPapillon said:

not sure in which country you are, or maybe you are ignoring the news, but Merkel, and a few other EU leaders are not happy with Twitter shutdown of Trump

 

political commentaries on TV, opposition leaders (including leftists) are questioning Twitter and digital media future roles over Trump account banning

 

I think Twitter actions will eventually backfire, above all in the EU, where GAFA roles are being seriously questioned over the last few months

 

Think GDPR++

Well, in Europe they believe that govt should be allowed to censure speech. And it does.

[GrandPapillon]

4 minutes ago, Hanaguma said:

The problem is that so many people cannot see past their hatred/fear of Trump.   Suppose that Twitter wanted to ban Joe Biden, or Barack Obama, for whatever whimsical reason- or no reason at all?  The shoe would surely pinch in that case.

indeed, hate makes people blind, and that's how authoritarians win

 

Trump is a prop, what's interesting is that people from either side will throw away all their noble principles just to support their "leader"

 

ordinary authoritarians or the average person, can become very dangerous

[Jeffr2]

3 minutes ago, GrandPapillon said:

now you are being ridiculous and trolling ????

You've been trolling for hours.

[GrandPapillon]

2 minutes ago, welovesundaysatspace said:

I’m afraid that was his point. But maybe he should answer what his point was instead of you? ???? 

that wasn't his point, at this stage, I don't think you can get it, so you are going in circle here ????

[welovesundaysatspace]

3 minutes ago, GrandPapillon said:

not sure in which country you are, or maybe you are ignoring the news, but Merkel, and a few other EU leaders are not happy with Twitter shutdown of Trump

 

political commentaries on TV, opposition leaders (including leftists) are questioning Twitter and digital media future roles over Trump account banning

Yeah, but where’s the “media uproar”? 
 

3 minutes ago, GrandPapillon said:

 

I think Twitter actions will eventually backfire, above all in the EU, where GAFA roles are being seriously questioned over the last few months

 

Think GDPR++

No, think Digital Services Act: “A core concern is the trade and exchange of illegal goods, services and content online. Online services are also being misused by manipulative algorithmic systems to amplify the spread of disinformation and for other harmful purposes.” (https://ec.europa.eu/digital-single-market/en/digital-services-act-package)

[GrandPapillon]

Just now, Jeffr2 said:

You've been trolling for hours.

Oh I see, tinfoil hat, and now trolling when you don't agree with the content ????

 

isn't that the point we are trying to make here, and that you constantly fail to understand

[Jeffr2]

1 minute ago, GrandPapillon said:

indeed, hate makes people blind, and that's how authoritarians win

 

Trump is a prop, what's interesting is that people from either side will throw away all their noble principles just to support their "leader"

 

ordinary authoritarians or the average person, can become very dangerous

Trump is not a prop, unless you believe in conspiracy theories.  He's the MAIN actor.  Just like in other authoritarian regimes.  One reason they are called authoritarian.

[Jeffr2]

9 minutes ago, Hanaguma said:

The problem is that so many people cannot see past their hatred/fear of Trump.   Suppose that Twitter wanted to ban Joe Biden, or Barack Obama, for whatever whimsical reason- or no reason at all?  The shoe would surely pinch in that case.

The problem is that so many people cannot see past their hatred for the 'system'.  Big government.  Love of conspiracy theories.  Etc, etc, etc.

 

And in the end, their choice for a news outlet to help cement their biases.

[GrandPapillon]

1 minute ago, Jeffr2 said:

Trump is not a prop, unless you believe in conspiracy theories.  He's the MAIN actor.  Just like in other authoritarian regimes.  One reason they are called authoritarian.

disagree, Trump enables the ordinary authoritarians

 

and that goes for both sides, the anti-Trump crowd is as much as guilty as his supporters for him to exist and survive

 

Trump is a prop, and the reactions he triggers just reveal a lot of about his opponents

[Eric Loh]

13 minutes ago, GrandPapillon said:

there is already a media uproar about Trump account shutdown, maybe not in the US, but here in Europe a lot of political leaders do not agree with this, even if they disliked Trump

No uproar by Trump’s loyal supporters in US. This a major embarrassment for him. No one really care!!!

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-twitter-protest-maga-march-b1785826.html

[Hanaguma]

2 minutes ago, Jeffr2 said:

The problem is that so many people cannot see past their hatred for the 'system'.  Big government.  Love of conspiracy theories.  Etc, etc, etc.

 

And in the end, their choice for a news outlet to help cement their biases.

Can we agree that the problem is both?  

[GrandPapillon]

2 minutes ago, Hanaguma said:

Can we agree that the problem is both?  

that was the point all along, and yet completely missed by many in this thread

[GrandPapillon]

12 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Well, in Europe they believe that govt should be allowed to censure speech. And it does.

not all speech, hate speech for sure, and I think they want to regulate the process for which censure will be applied. The Twitter way is definitely not an option. Thank you Trump, your sacrifice was helpful ????

[heybruce]

3 hours ago, Virt said:

 

Good post ????, but shouldn't the platforms show their true flags then?

 

Just like we all know which side Fox represent.

 

For years Fox claimed to be "Fair and Balanced", even though everyone knew that was BS.

 

People figured out where Fox stood even when it was claiming otherwise.  People will do the same for other media.

 

3 hours ago, Virt said:

 No off course not ???? 

 

If they banned Biden if he posted similar things like Trump I would be just as mad. 

 

It's not about political sides, even though some think so.

It's about censorship which I'm not a fan of. 

 

I read up on the Qanons ideologies and boy oh boy, they have some messed up ideas. 

But I wouldn't want them banned too, even if I strongly disagree with their clueless concept. 

 

How anyone can believe in them is a mystery, but I still think those people should be allowed to say and write what they like.

 

I can't see Biden claiming an election was stolen without evidence, then encouraging a mob to march on the Capitol building.  But if he ever did that, I'd agree that he should be banned.

[heybruce]

1 hour ago, GrandPapillon said:

because those digital platforms have such an impact in our life, and public life, they are subject to standards that goes beyond one of private companies. I suspect upcoming legislation will address that. They jumped the shark, and I think a lot of legislators are going to want to "regulate" how Tiwtter and friends must take decisions on how to censure contents.

 

It's GDPR++

Did the GDPR allow private media companies to ban the messages from government leaders?

[heybruce]

56 minutes ago, Hanaguma said:

The reason it is important is that this kind of political de-platforming is going beyond Twitter .Facebook is banning prefectly peaceful groups based solely on their political beliefs. Amazon and Google are doing the same. Apple is delisting downloads to apps. Youtube is demonetizing and banning content based on politics.   The whole of the tech world is becoming authoritarian, while at the same time trying to enjoy status as a protected form of business. 

Could you give examples of these "prefectly peaceful groups" that are being banned?

[heybruce]

50 minutes ago, Hanaguma said:

Easy example, the group "Walk Away", which encouraged Democrats to change to Republican. Not violent, not hateful, just a Facebook group that shared testimonial from people who switched affiliation. A group with a half million members, now gone.

"News sources have debated the extent to which WalkAway is an example of astroturfing rather than a genuine grassroots movement. David A. Love of CNN condemned the campaign as "pure propaganda [and] a psychological operation."^[11] The website Hamilton 68, which tracks Russia's interference on U.S. elections, reported that WalkAway was "connected to Kremlin-linked Russian bots to manipulate voters into thinking the movement was more popular and active that it actually was."^{[12]"    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WalkAway_campaign}

[heybruce]

50 minutes ago, watso63 said:

Facebook, Twitter, Google and Amazon, the new book burning Nazi's????

Were you aware that the Nazi's weren't a private company, but the political party running fascist government?

[GrandPapillon]

3 minutes ago, heybruce said:

Did the GDPR allow private media companies to ban the messages from government leaders?

don't think so, but if they go with a GDPR++, a version of GDPR along with a new legislation that will address EULA and how suspending accounts should be processed, than I hope this will be addressed. Trump just gave material for that question to be raised in future legislation.

Edited January 12, 2021 by GrandPapillon