Indonesia's F&D Agency says Sinovac's COVID-19 vaccine is 65.3% effective

[anchadian]

 

Matthew Tostevin

 

@TostevinM

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Breaking: Indonesia's food and drug agency says Sinovac's COVID-19 vaccine is 65.3% effective based on interim results of late-stage clinical trial and grants it approval for emergency use. Vaccination rollout can start.

[anchadian]

Double posting??

 

This site is playing games.

 

Error 403.

 

 

 

[Mavideol]

13 minutes ago, anchadian said:

 

Matthew Tostevin

 

@TostevinM

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1h

 

Breaking: Indonesia's food and drug agency says Sinovac's COVID-19 vaccine is 65.3% effective based on interim results of late-stage clinical trial and grants it approval for emergency use. Vaccination rollout can start.

are you talking about the Chinese vaccine, if that's the case it's a big surprise as 4 countries trying it have 4 different testing effectiveness China first said 97% later they corrected it to 75% ---Brazil first 63% the 2nd time around 78% ------ UAE (Sinopharm) 86% ---- Indonesia 65.3% ....  the Chinese way   555

 

https://www.manilatimes.net/2020/12/15/opinion/columnists/topanalysis/sinovac-denies-claim-its-vaccine-is-97-effective-update-on-china-vaccines/810997/

97-percent rate mistaken

 

https://www.ctvnews.ca/world/uae-says-chinese-vaccine-86-per-cent-effective-offers-few-details-1.5223055

UAE says Chinese vaccine 86 per cent effective, offers few details

 

[liddelljohn]

China chief vaccine developer scientist actually says the virus is  poor  quality and not properly tested ,,but has been pushed by Communist  cadre in a rush to save face ,,

[anchadian]

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-indonesia/indonesia-approves-chinas-sinovac-vaccine-as-infections-surge-idUSKBN29G0RP

 

By Stanley Widianto

4 MIN READ

JAKARTA (Reuters) - Indonesia gave Sinovac Biotech’s COVID-19 vaccine its first emergency use approval outside China on Monday as the world’s fourth most populous country launches nationwide inoculations to stem surging infections and deaths.

 

 

[Somchai Jackson]

Talk about a load of <deleted>.  deleted junk.  Only good US vaccines with their 97% effectiveness are acceptable. 
 

[Susco]

2 hours ago, Mavideol said:

are you talking about the Chinese vaccine, if that's the case it's a big surprise as 4 countries trying it have 4 different testing effectiveness China first said 97% later they corrected it to 75% ---Brazil first 63% the 2nd time around 78% ------ UAE (Sinopharm) 86% ---- Indonesia 65.3% ....  the Chinese way   555

 

https://www.manilatimes.net/2020/12/15/opinion/columnists/topanalysis/sinovac-denies-claim-its-vaccine-is-97-effective-update-on-china-vaccines/810997/

97-percent rate mistaken

 

https://www.ctvnews.ca/world/uae-says-chinese-vaccine-86-per-cent-effective-offers-few-details-1.5223055

UAE says Chinese vaccine 86 per cent effective, offers few details

 

 

 

And the world still doesn't get the picture of what happened and is still going on?

[anchadian]

19 minutes ago, Somchai Jackson said:

Talk about a load of <deleted>.  deleted junk.  Only good US vaccines with their 97% effectiveness are acceptable. 
 

You must be American.

 

Don't forget the AstraZeneca vaccine.  You certainly don't deserve all the credit.

[Banana7]

Thailand is getting the sinovac covid-19 vaccine for its citizens. Typical, buy the cheapest junk, and end up buying another vaccine to do the real job. Pay twice to do the same job, typical Thai thinking and results.

Edited January 11, 2021 by Banana7

[rabas]

6 hours ago, Mavideol said:

are you talking about the Chinese vaccine, if that's the case it's a big surprise as 4 countries trying it have 4 different testing effectiveness China first said 97% later they corrected it to 75% ---Brazil first 63% the 2nd time around 78% ------ UAE (Sinopharm) 86% ---- Indonesia 65.3% ....  the Chinese way   555

 

https://www.manilatimes.net/2020/12/15/opinion/columnists/topanalysis/sinovac-denies-claim-its-vaccine-is-97-effective-update-on-china-vaccines/810997/

97-percent rate mistaken

 

https://www.ctvnews.ca/world/uae-says-chinese-vaccine-86-per-cent-effective-offers-few-details-1.5223055

UAE says Chinese vaccine 86 per cent effective, offers few details

 

Different results from different trials could be a sign of trouble. SARS-2 is a weird virus and not well understood. People react to it quite differently and the reasons are not known.

 

The Sinovac vaccine is an old style, inactivated vaccine made from the SARS-2 virus. If people react differently to the virus, similar problems could arise with a vaccine made from SARS-2. Just guessing but one can never be sure with China's lack of transparency.

[cormanr7]

The Indonesian trial was done with just 1,200 persons, giving ca 600 each in the vaccinated and placebo groups. Such numbers are totally insufficient to determine the efficacy unless a large number got infected (actually there were only 25 infections?). The efficacy might have been 50% or 80%, impossible to tell. Persistent rumours suggest that a larger trial was planned but they were unable to find enough volunteers. The fact that the trial was limited to the city of Bandung does not help of course. So ultimately this trial has changed to a sort of large phase II. By a guess the main objective was now to establish that no widespread side effects occurred, i.e. was it safe to use. 

Another point, also made above is that trials in different countries do not necessarily give the same results. In fact the AstraZeneca trials in Brazil and UK gave different results, though they were fairly close and statistically probably not different. Factors such as ethnicity, age (more elderly people in the UK trial for AZ), etc. may effect results.

It was just reported that the much larger Brazilian Sinovac trial gave fairly poor results in terms of preventing mild to moderate COVID but 'completely' protected against severe disease https://www.straitstimes.com/ world/sinovacs-covid-19-vaccine-efficacy-less-than-60-per-cent-in-brazil-trial

Edited January 12, 2021 by cormanr7
remove spelling errors

[rabang]

11 minutes ago, cormanr7 said:

It was just reported that the much larger Brazilian Sinovac trial gave fairly poor results in terms of preventing mild to moderate COVID but 'completely' protected against severe disease https://www.straitstimes.com/ world/sinovacs-covid-19-vaccine-efficacy-less-than-60-per-cent-in-brazil-trial

This made me 'completely' convinced.

[Patong2021]

15 hours ago, Somchai Jackson said:

Talk about a load of <deleted>.  deleted junk.  Only good US vaccines with their 97% effectiveness are acceptable. 
 

There are no vaccine with 97% effectiveness.

When you say only good vaccine is US, you say that Oxford University - Astra Zeneca , Pfizer Biontech,  are no good.  Only Moderna is mostly USA, but it too relies on technology shared with EU, Canada scientists.

Please see attached article below.  You will see that the concept of "American" vaccine is nationalistic jingoism and not true. The mother of mRNA vaccine is a Hungarian lady. The guy who made discovery and  helped start Moderna and its mRna  vaccine is from Canada. The people who came up with the  concept for BioNtech that is used  in the vaccine  are Turkish husband and wife. The man who pushed Moderna forward is Frenchman CEO.  The man who financed Moderna  and made it  possible is Armenian immigrant from Lebanon who went as refugee to Canada. Yes, USA can take pride that it provided place where a refugee from Lebanon to Canada could finance start of Moderna who used license for mRNA technology from Hungarian scientist who's work in USA was ignored for decades, with discovery by Canada grad student  by name of Rossi.

 

https://www.statnews.com/2020/11/10/the-story-of-mrna-how-a-once-dismissed-idea-became-a-leading-technology-in-the-covid-vaccine-race/

[spacex]

Then there's safe and cheap ivermectin with a 91% prophylaxis result in RCT's.

 

https://ivmmeta.com

[248900_1469958220]

1 hour ago, spacex said:

Then there's safe and cheap ivermectin with a 91% prophylaxis result in RCT's.

 

https://ivmmeta.com

No no no.....We are not allowed to think about giving treatments in the early stages of the virus...dont you get it?? We all have to wait for the vaccine!!! Its all about the vaccine....weeee weee weeeee the vaccine!! Why would ANYONE even consider allowing treatments early on when someone develops symptoms??? No, I am afraid that is just a silly idea. Me? Well I am just itching to get the Chinese vaccine forced on me. I cant wait. Afterall, the Chinese know a thing or two about this virus, they did for quite a while but didnt bother telling anyone!

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20 hours ago, Somchai Jackson said:

Talk about a load of <deleted>.  deleted junk.  Only good US vaccines with their 97% effectiveness are acceptable. 
 

The so-called Pfizer vaccine was actually created by a Germany company headed by 2 Turkish immigrants. And the efficacy was judged to be 95%.

Edited January 12, 2021 by placeholder