beware with booking ticket on visa excempt

[rickthailand]

hi,

 

got 1st approval for coe and booked asq and flight, booked a flight for 60 days after arrival in bkk because

my dad wanted to extend the 45 days by 30 days and today got message fro embassy

 

Royal Thai Embassy, The Hague has rejected your registration/application.

Due to Please kindly note that the visa exemption only allows the applicant to stay in Thailand for 45 days (including quarantine period) and it is not possible to get an extension in Thailand. Please submit a new return ticket.

 

guess i have to change his ticket??

 

rick

[Salerno]

As has always been the case; they want to see a return flight within the duration of the visa exempt period. The fact it can be extended has never been taken into account.

[richard_smith237]

Just re-book the ticket to within 45 days, then change the dates once the Visa / CoE has been issued (IF your father actually can extend his stay - which under current conditions may be a possibility under ‘Covid-19 visa exemption’ but not guaranteed). 

 

Or apply for a Tourist Visa / CoE with the existing flights. 

[ubonjoe]

2 hours ago, Salerno said:

As has always been the case; they want to see a return flight within the duration of the visa exempt period. The fact it can be extended has never been taken into account.

Embassies and consulates never had to do anything related to visa exempt entries before.

On most embassy and official consulate websites there is not mention of a flight out of the country requirement. It is also not mentioned on the COE site.

Other embassies only want to see the flight to here for approving the COE. 

The Hague as far as I know is only one reported as wanting a ticket out of the country.

[Salerno]

4 minutes ago, ubonjoe said:

Embassies and consulates never had to do anything related to visa exempt entries before...

 

Never said, or suggested, they had.

 

Pre covid the only risk (as minor as it was) was an airline not allowing you to board without proof of exiting Thailand within the 30 day exempt period; the ability to extend in-country was never a consideration. Same deal with any other tourist visa hence the numerous posts re throwaway tickets/"fake"tickets/tickets with free cancellation policies over the years. 

 

I don't see ignoring the previous norms to be a wise choice given we now we have the COE approval process to deal with.

[ubonjoe]

7 minutes ago, Salerno said:

Pre covid the only risk (as minor as it was) was an airline not allowing you to board without proof of exiting Thailand within the 30 day exempt period; the ability to extend in-country was never a consideration. Same deal with any other tourist visa hence the numerous posts re throwaway tickets/"fake"tickets/tickets with free cancellation policies over the years. 

The IATA info for Thailand does not mention a ticket out of the country now.

Click Thailand on the map here. https://www.iatatravelcentre.com/world.php

[Salerno]

Again, never said, or suggested, they did.

[jackdd]

5 minutes ago, ubonjoe said:

The IATA info for Thailand does not mention a ticket out of the country now.

Click Thailand on the map here. https://www.iatatravelcentre.com/world.php

But the ministerial order regarding visa exempts still does.

[ubonjoe]

29 minutes ago, jackdd said:

But the ministerial order regarding visa exempts still does.

I am aware of that but it still says 30 days as far as I know. I was stating what the airlines can see now.

[thaitero]

RTE Helsinki website says

 

Quote

2.3 A fully paid flight tickets entering and leaving Thailand within 45 days period in English or Finnish. Flight ticket to Thailand must be from Finland/Estonia or show the whole route from Finland/Estonia to Thailand.

https://helsinki.thaiembassy.org/en/publicservice/tourist-visa-exemption

 

So at least there you need to have this. If one wants extension you should just change return date after in Thailand or when applying COE have some another ticket outside to Thailand within 45 days.

[The Theory]

You can't plan on something that you don't have it or you don't have yet.

[KhaoYai]

12 hours ago, Salerno said:

I don't see ignoring the previous norms to be a wise choice given we now we have the COE approval process to deal with.

Yes and as we know, it doesn't matter what the rules/guides say, if you can't get past the first hurdle - the embassy you're dealing with, you're screwed.

[Skeptic7]

@ubonjoehopefully I will be arriving end of this month and out of quarantine on 13 Feb. We previously discussed getting Non-O 90 day visa after quarantine...then getting 1 year extension based on retirement. IS THAT A REAL POSSIBILITY? Based on the OP response from the embassy, suggests it's not. 

[ubonjoe]

10 hours ago, Skeptic7 said:

@ubonjoehopefully I will be arriving end of this month and out of quarantine on 13 Feb. We previously discussed getting Non-O 90 day visa after quarantine...then getting 1 year extension based on retirement. IS THAT A REAL POSSIBILITY? Based on the OP response from the embassy, suggests it's not. 

That is incorrect info from a embassy that is not aware of immigrations rules for visas exempt entries. You can still apply for a 30 day extension and/or apply for a 90 day non-o visa entry.

[Peter Denis]

On 1/11/2021 at 11:12 PM, richard_smith237 said:

Just re-book the ticket to within 45 days, then change the dates once the Visa / CoE has been issued (IF your father actually can extend his stay - which under current conditions may be a possibility under ‘Covid-19 visa exemption’ but not guaranteed). 

 

Or apply for a Tourist Visa / CoE with the existing flights. 

 

On 1/11/2021 at 10:39 PM, rickthailand said:

hi,

 

got 1st approval for coe and booked asq and flight, booked a flight for 60 days after arrival in bkk because

my dad wanted to extend the 45 days by 30 days and today got message fro embassy

 

Royal Thai Embassy, The Hague has rejected your registration/application.

Due to Please kindly note that the visa exemption only allows the applicant to stay in Thailand for 45 days (including quarantine period) and it is not possible to get an extension in Thailand. Please submit a new return ticket.

 

guess i have to change his ticket??

 

rick

Easiest would be to buy the cheapest possible ticket of an outward-bound flight on a date before 45-day permission to stay expiry.  Pre covid you could buy actual flights from Bangkok to Saigon or Kuala Lumpur for approx 1.000 THB.  Such a cheap throw-away ticket (which you have no intent of using) will meet the Thai Embassy requirement you are confronted with.

[ubonjoe]

15 minutes ago, Peter Denis said:

Easiest would be to buy the cheapest possible ticket of an outward-bound flight on a date before 45-day permission to stay expiry.

Or get a onward flight from one of the websites listed here in a google search.

https://www.google.com/search?q=onward+flight&rlz=1C1SQJL_enTH791TH791&oq=on&aqs=chrome.1.69i57j69i59l2j69i60l3j69i65l2.4228j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

[Tanoshi]

On 1/12/2021 at 7:46 AM, ubonjoe said:

Other embassies only want to see the flight to here for approving the COE. 

The Hague as far as I know is only one reported as wanting a ticket out of the country.

Not true. As advised in a different topic, the London Embassy also wanted a 'return' ticket within 45 days to approve the COE for a VE entry.

[Tanoshi]

1 hour ago, Peter Denis said:

Easiest would be to buy the cheapest possible ticket of an outward-bound flight on a date before 45-day permission to stay expiry.  Pre covid you could buy actual flights from Bangkok to Saigon or Kuala Lumpur for approx 1.000 THB.  Such a cheap throw-away ticket (which you have no intent of using) will meet the Thai Embassy requirement you are confronted with.

The only problem I see with that Peter, is the OP's father wanted to extend to 75 days and book a return flight for his length of stay. A flight ticket which he has to upload.

Uploading a return ticket for 75 days and a separate throw away outward ticket for 45 days is a bit of a give away of your intentions and could be viewed as trying to circumvent the system.

 

Another option would be to purchase a one way ticket to Thailand, with a throw away outbound ticket to a local destination. However you'd then be left with booking a return one way ticket later, which can be just as expensive as buying a return in the first place.

 

Surely the answer is to purchase a return ticket within the 45 days which can then be changed to a later return (75 days) date after you obtain the COE, or after arriving in Thailand.