Britain resists giving EU diplomats full status, sparking row

[snoop1130]

Britain resists giving EU diplomats full status, sparking row

 

FILE PHOTO: Flags of the Union Jack and European Union are seen ahead of the meeting of European Commission President Ursula von der Leyen and British Prime Minister Boris Johnson, in Brussels, Belgium December 9, 2020. Olivier Hoslet/Pool via REUTERS/File Photo

 

LONDON (Reuters) - Britain is resisting an EU demand that it grant full diplomatic status to the bloc’s ambassador in London, causing a row between the recently divorced parties that spilled out into the open on Thursday.

 

Britain, an EU member for 46 years, voted to quit in 2016 and completed its tortuous journey out of the bloc on Dec. 31, when Brexit fully took effect.

 

The BBC reported that the Foreign Office was refusing to grant the same diplomatic status and privileges to EU ambassador Joao Vale de Almeida and his team as it gives to envoys of countries, on the basis that the EU is not a nation state.

 

The Foreign Office did not immediately respond to a request for comment.

 

The European Commission, the 27-member bloc’s executive body, said the EU’s 143 delegations around the world had all been granted a status equivalent to that of diplomatic missions of states, and Britain was well aware of the fact.

 

“Granting reciprocal treatment based on the Vienna Convention on Diplomatic Relations is standard practice between equal partners and we are confident that we can clear this issue with our friends in London in a satisfactory manner,” said Peter Stano, the commission’s spokesman for foreign affairs.

 

Stano added that when Britain was still an EU member, it had been supportive of the diplomatic status of EU delegations.

 

“Nothing has changed since the UK’s exit from the European Union to justify any change in stance on the UK’s part,” he said.

 

The BBC report quoted the Foreign Office in London as saying: “Engagement continues with the EU on the long-term arrangements for the EU delegation to the UK.”

 

The report said Britain was reluctant to grant full status to EU diplomats in London because it did not want to set a precedent in the eyes of other international organisations.

 

The EU argues it is not a typical international organisation.

 

“It has been conferred substantial competences by its member states, has the power to adopt legislation binding on its member states, has its own decision-making institutions and its own system of judicial control, and has established a common currency,” Stano said.

 

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[melvinmelvin]

don't give in BJ

fight out the flak and stay strong in the winds

 

this is a very old issue,

always been a weak point for EU (and EEC)

[Sujo]

Oh now that is a very slippery slope that can bite the uk badly. Why are they even thinking about it.

[stevenl]

13 minutes ago, melvinmelvin said:

don't give in BJ

fight out the flak and stay strong in the winds

 

this is a very old issue,

always been a weak point for EU (and EEC)

EEC didn't have ambassadors.

 

First UK agreed with full diplomatic status, now they don't.

 

Is the UK interested in diplomatic connections with the EU, or only with the individual countries?

[welovesundaysatspace]

If the UK wants to break up diplomatic relationships, I guess their diplomats could be treated equally in Brussels, Paris and Berlin. 
 

 

 

Edited January 21, 2021 by welovesundaysatspace

[Mavideol]

9 minutes ago, stevenl said:

EEC didn't have ambassadors.

 

First UK agreed with full diplomatic status, now they don't.

 

Is the UK interested in diplomatic connections with the EU, or only with the individual countries?

not a surprise at all, BJ is well  known for being a flip-flop  555

[Mavideol]

2 minutes ago, welovesundaysatspace said:

If the UK wants to break up diplomatic relationships, I guess their diplomats could be treated equally in Brussels, Paris and Berlin. 
 

 

 

in other words "" what goes around comes around""  thus they shouldn't be surprised when receiving equal treatment 555

[Loiner]

48 minutes ago, snoop1130 said:

“Nothing has changed since the UK’s exit from the European Union to justify any change in stance on the UK’s part,” he said.

Quite right too. He can keep the same status as previously held with the EU Delegation. There's no need for a post-Brexit upgrade for an organisation that is not even a proper country.

[Salerno]

32 minutes ago, Sujo said:

Oh now that is a very slippery slope that can bite the uk badly.

 

In what way?

[Sujo]

8 minutes ago, Loiner said:

Quite right too. He can keep the same status as previously held with the EU Delegation. There's no need for a post-Brexit upgrade for an organisation that is not even a proper country.

No he cant. Its the eu countries that will decide.

[Loiner]

3 minutes ago, Sujo said:

No he cant. Its the eu countries that will decide.

No, its for the UK decide his diplomatic status or not in the UK.

[Sujo]

1 minute ago, Loiner said:

No, its for the UK decide his diplomatic status or not in the UK.

Its for tne eu to decide if he has the same. Wich is the slippery slope.

[welovesundaysatspace]

3 minutes ago, Sujo said:

Its for tne eu to decide if he has the same. Wich is the slippery slope.

Which is why they soon will backpaddle, having yet again made a fool of themselves, same as Trump did some years ago. 

[melvinmelvin]

42 minutes ago, stevenl said:

EEC didn't have ambassadors.

 

First UK agreed with full diplomatic status, now they don't.

 

Is the UK interested in diplomatic connections with the EU, or only with the individual countries?

this problem area is way older than EU,

it is not limited to ambassadors and/or EU's representative as such

it is more about EU's place and role on the int. scene and in the zillion international organisations

[Surelynot]

....almost as bad as refusing the touring passports for musicians.....the Tories really a pathetic bunch of .......

[2530Ubon]

Quote

EU officials privately accuse the Foreign Office of hypocrisy because when the EU's foreign service - known as the External Action Service - was set up in 2010 as a result of the Lisbon Treaty, the UK signed up to proposals that EU diplomats be granted the "privileges and immunities equivalent to those referred to in the Vienna Convention on Diplomatic Relations of 18 April 1961

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-55742664

 

F-F-S. Boris is trying to pull a fast one again.

 

Why does he think it's okay to go back on signed agreements? He tried to do it with the 'internal market bill' and that backfired.

 

Soon we're going to have absolutely no standing around the world. No one will believe that we will uphold our future agreements if he keeps on like this.

 

A British signature will be synonymous with b-llsh-t shortly.

Edited January 21, 2021 by 2530Ubon

[Loiner]

40 minutes ago, Sujo said:

Its for tne eu to decide if he has the same. Wich is the slippery slope.

The EU can't decide what his UK status is, it's up to our Foreign Office. That's the whole crux of this tread and is why they are crying now.

[Loiner]

23 minutes ago, 2530Ubon said:

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-55742664

 

F-F-S. Boris is trying to pull a fast one again.

 

Why does he think it's okay to go back on signed agreements? He tried to do it with the 'internal market bill' and that backfired.

 

Soon we're going to have absolutely no standing around the world. No one will believe that we will uphold our future agreements if he keeps on like this.

 

A British signature will be synonymous with b-llsh-t shortly.

Oh no, we will be pariahs in the world of commerce. Again. Just like we were until we found there were about 60 deals signed and more on the way. 

[2530Ubon]

50 minutes ago, Loiner said:

Oh no, we will be pariahs in the world of commerce. Again. Just like we were until we found there were about 60 deals signed and more on the way. 

And are we going to stick to, and honor those deals? Bet most of the world is wondering about that right now.

 

A man is only as good as his word. If a man can't be trusted to do what he says he can or will do, then he isn't worth much. Boris' word isn't worth a fart in a jar. 

Edited January 21, 2021 by 2530Ubon

[Dagfinnur Traustason]

2 hours ago, Loiner said:

Quite right too. He can keep the same status as previously held with the EU Delegation. There's no need for a post-Brexit upgrade for an organisation that is not even a proper country.

No, but then it´s better to break all diplomatic ties with the bloc. Just Boris "The Simple" Johnson again that wish to eat the cake and still have it.

I just wish that EU would respond with not accepting Boris diplomatic immunity when visiting countries in European Union.

But, that is what to expect from a man that can not even comb his hair.

[herfiehandbag]

3 hours ago, snoop1130 said:

The EU argues it is not a typical international organisation.

 

“It has been conferred substantial competences by its member states, has the power to adopt legislation binding on its member states, has its own decision-making institutions and its own system of judicial control, and has established a common currency,” Stano said.

Rather sounds like a Federal State - say it isn't so!

[Loiner]

56 minutes ago, Dagfinnur Traustason said:

No, but then it´s better to break all diplomatic ties with the bloc. Just Boris "The Simple" Johnson again that wish to eat the cake and still have it.

I just wish that EU would respond with not accepting Boris diplomatic immunity when visiting countries in European Union.

But, that is what to expect from a man that can not even comb his hair.

Boris is the PM of a country, a sovereign state. Nobody in the EU is anything close. 

[Loiner]

1 hour ago, 2530Ubon said:

And are we going to stick to, and honor those deals? Bet most of the world is wondering about that right now.

 

A man is only as good as his word. If a man can't be trusted to do what he says he can or will do, then he isn't worth much. Boris' word isn't worth a fart in a jar. 

Most of the world is happy to sign deals with U.K.  

 

You should just be happy with your jar full. 

[Dagfinnur Traustason]

1 hour ago, Loiner said:

Boris is the PM of a country, a sovereign state. Nobody in the EU is anything close. 

Yes, they are very close, and actually more entitled to diplomatic status as they represent more than one state.

Seems to me you have a problem with the meaning of close. So representing one state or more than one state, that ain´t anything close? Your reply is really laughable!

I will end it here, because otherwise I will get cramp out of contant laughs.

[Dagfinnur Traustason]

1 hour ago, Loiner said:

Most of the world is happy to sign deals with U.K.  

For now! Not for long if Boris not remember his promises or go back on them as he seem to always do. Just a big mouth, with a lot og talk from a man that have dificulties to walk the walk.

Sorry, couldn´t end it. Was just too fun.

Edited January 21, 2021 by Dagfinnur Traustason

[Scott]

Troll post with YouTube video removed.  Continue and face a suspension.  

 

[Toxane]

13 hours ago, snoop1130 said:

Britain, an EU member for 46 years

 

What?

[flossie35]

13 hours ago, melvinmelvin said:

don't give in BJ

fight out the flak and stay strong in the winds

 

this is a very old issue,

always been a weak point for EU (and EEC)

Childish and petty; typical of this useless corrupt and incompetent government.

[Hi from France]

14 hours ago, welovesundaysatspace said:

Which is why they soon will backpaddle, having yet again made a fool of themselves, same as Trump did some years ago. 

Indeed Trump did backpedal, and I think the UK government will have to stop this silly humiliation.

 

I bet the EU will prevail, who wants to bet against me ?

 

 

 

Now we are not there, some open questions are :

• "how will we get there and when"?
• "should/will the EU take counter-measures and which ones?"
• "will there be some second-rate ajustement in which the E.U. ambassador will still not be allowed to present credentials to the queen"?

[Hi from France]

data : getting the Trump administration to restore the E.U.’s diplomatic status and ranking took three months.

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/04/world/europe/us-eu-status-ambassador.html?searchResultPosition=3