G10 motherboard electric gate control board

[JollyJohn]

Good morning

I recently purchase a new( brand unknown )G10 motherboard to use on a small swing gate.

It came with no remote or instructions.

Please try and comment posstive response.

1 I cannot see a chrystal to see Mhz operation for a remote fob. How can I pair a remote with the motherboard, I see no dipswitches.

2 does anyone use the same G10 board, if so can you send wiring hook up please. Also any instructions you may have.

3 if using a 12vdc battery to power the board can I wire to the motor output for 12vdc output Or is it a mains powered mains motor output and the 12vdc connection is for battery back up.

All constructive help will be appreciated.

The supplier spoke no English and is of little help.

Many thanks

 

[CharlieH]

moved to electrical forum

[Crossy]

Ok. Better answer later when I'm on my PC.

 

You need a 3 wire 220V AC actuator and limit swiches.

The 12V is an output to power aux devices like the photo sensor.

There is no remote receiver. You need to add a remote control module.

[JollyJohn]

1 hour ago, Crossy said:

Ok. Better answer later when I'm on my PC.

 

You need a 3 wire 220V AC actuator and limit swiches.

The 12V is an output to power aux devices like the photo sensor.

There is no remote receiver. You need to add a remote control module.

I take then no availability for 12vdc back up.

 

Since I posted, I have just had the opportunity to bench test it on mains power. Whether I give a closed or open command the motor output energises 230vac to both the forward and reverse at the same time. I simulated open and closed commands, then operated inputs for limit switches. Control circuit ok. But strange it energised both motor outputs at the same time.

I confess I missed the fact the pcb motherboard had no remote control circuit.

Need to purchase remote fobs and " black box" pulse output to connect to the command input terminals.

The other point I missed was no 12vdc output forward and reverse for an actustor arm.

Always difficult trying to get information about the operation when buying online from Alliexpress/ shoppee and Lazada.

Appreciated your comment

Thank you.

 

[maxpower]

17 hours ago, JollyJohn said:

Whether I give a closed or open command the motor output energises 230vac to both the forward and reverse at the same time.

 

Looking at the connections my guess is that after receiving a pulse from the external remote control the relays select direction of a capacitor start AC motor depending on the status of the limit switch inputs. I say this because of the markings at the motor connection.

 

If the limit is in the gate closed position the motor will open gate, if in open position motor will close gate.

[userabcd]

Just for info, found this small labelled diagram on the web in Thai will need translation.

[userabcd]

Take a look in the attached PDF doc.

 

 

EL-168A-sliding-Gate-manual_d000000.pdf

[JollyJohn]

On 1/30/2021 at 12:27 PM, userabcd said:

Take a look in the attached PDF doc.

 

 

EL-168A-sliding-Gate-manual_d000000.pdf 440.71 kB · 9 downloads

To all who have replied many thanks.

The Manual provided was excellent.

I am sure others will appreciate all comments, photo's and the manual.

Stay safe and enjoy your day

[JollyJohn]

1 hour ago, JollyJohn said:

To all who have replied many thanks.

The Manual provided was excellent.

I am sure others will appreciate all comments, photo's and the manual.

Stay safe and enjoy your day

Sorry people one more question.

I powered the board, no motor connected.

Pulsed the open terminals, measured 230vac term 20 and term 21 to common.

Pulsed the open limit and 230vac dropped off.

Did the same for the closed command. Same result.

Why am I getting 230vac on both the F terminal 20 and R terminal 21, terminals wrt to common at the same time whether I pulse open or closed? Seems strange to me.

[JollyJohn]

39 minutes ago, JollyJohn said:

Sorry people one more question.

I powered the board, no motor connected.

Pulsed the open terminals, measured 230vac term 20 and term 21 to common.

Pulsed the open limit and 230vac dropped off.

Did the same for the closed command. Same result.

Why am I getting 230vac on both the F terminal 20 and R terminal 21, terminals wrt to common at the same time whether I pulse open or closed? Seems strange to me.

I appologise, a slip of the head.

Terminal 17 is the F or forward terminal wrt to common terminal 19.

Terminal 18 is the R or reverse terminal wrt common terminal 19

However results were correct, that is to say, both F and R have 230vac output wrt to common at the same time. For open or closed command.

Any thoughts on this point please?

[Crossy]

1 hour ago, JollyJohn said:

Any thoughts on this point please?

 

With no motor connected you could be seeing capacitive pickup with your high-impedance meter.

 

Stick a couple of conventional light bulbs (say 25W) to common from F and R and you should see one or other light up when the motor should be running.

 

[Pilotman]

haha had to laugh when I read this .  Why not just open the gate  manually yourself?  ????

[sometimewoodworker]

52 minutes ago, Pilotman said:

haha had to laugh when I read this .  Why not just open the gate  manually yourself?  ????

What may work for you will not work for someone else. Now we have a remote for our gate if it were to fail it would be replaced ASAP. Being able to open the gate from 30+ metres away is just too convenient and worth the cost.

[Pilotman]

Just now, sometimewoodworker said:

What may work for you will not work for someone else. Now we have a remote for our gate if it were to fail it would be replaced ASAP. Being able to open the gate from 30+ metres away is just too convenient and worth the cost.

Not for me. An unnecessary accessary I would say, but it's up to the individual.  Personally I couldn't justify such a thing to myself. 

[maxpower]

17 hours ago, JollyJohn said:

Why am I getting 230vac on both the F terminal 20 and R terminal 21, terminals wrt to common at the same time whether I pulse open or closed? Seems strange to me.

 

The manual shows some kind of torque adjust which means there is more than simple relay control operating the motor. There will be additional solid state device controlling motor output.

 

This will explain weird meter readings.

My guess is relays energize to setup the motor direction and a solid state device applies the power based on torque setting. There will likely be a delay in relays turning off.

[JollyJohn]

14 hours ago, Pilotman said:

haha had to laugh when I read this .  Why not just open the gate  manually yourself?  ????

Each time I stop my motorbike, I then go unlock and open the gate. I restart the motorbike I drive in. I go back close the gate, I lock tge gate. Enough said really, my choice to do this. My request for info was to have an answer and not the armchair expat wit!

Good morning, please leave it at that.

Others have been most helpfull.

[Pilotman]

47 minutes ago, JollyJohn said:

Each time I stop my motorbike, I then go unlock and open the gate. I restart the motorbike I drive in. I go back close the gate, I lock tge gate. Enough said really, my choice to do this. My request for info was to have an answer and not the armchair expat wit!

Good morning, please leave it at that.

Others have been most helpfull.

How interesting.  Yes, getting  on and off a motorbike can be a real effort, all that leg swinging stuff you have to do. Why do you have to switch it off and re start it?  I keep mine running for the few seconds it takes to get off and open my gate.  As you say, personal choice.  Sorry my comment didn't amuse you. Have a nice day.  

[JollyJohn]

1 hour ago, Pilotman said:

How interesting.  Yes, getting  on and off a motorbike can be a real effort, all that leg swinging stuff you have to do. Why do you have to switch it off and re start it?  I keep mine running for the few seconds it takes to get off and open my gate.  As you say, personal choice.  Sorry my comment didn't amuse you. Have a nice day.  

No problem Pilot man. Enjoy yor day.

[JollyJohn]

On 1/30/2021 at 9:44 AM, maxpower said:

 

Looking at the connections my guess is that after receiving a pulse from the external remote control the relays select direction of a capacitor start AC motor depending on the status of the limit switch inputs. I say this because of the markings at the motor connection.

 

If the limit is in the gate closed position the motor will open gate, if in open position motor will close gate.

Thanks for your feedback further tested as a note F = Close and R = Open

[JollyJohn]

On 1/30/2021 at 12:27 PM, userabcd said:

Take a look in the attached PDF doc.

 

 

EL-168A-sliding-Gate-manual_d000000.pdf 440.71 kB · 17 downloads

Thank you for the manual, a great help.

[JollyJohn]

17 hours ago, Crossy said:

 

With no motor connected you could be seeing capacitive pickup with your high-impedance meter.

 

Stick a couple of conventional light bulbs (say 25W) to common from F and R and you should see one or other light up when the motor should be running.

 

Crossy I think I lost my brain on retirement. Thanks for your helpfull comments.

In the end I used 2 fans as loads.

All worked ok, F = close gate and R = open gate. Voltages on DVM were 230vac on active output and a floater of 2.3vac on the innactive output.

It is as you said testing with high impedance meters no real load.

Bring back th Avo moving coil.haha

Thank you for your help. Enjoy your day.

[Crossy]

16 minutes ago, JollyJohn said:

Bring back th Avo moving coil.haha

 

Low Z meters definitely have a place in modern electical installation, although they tend to be digital with just a load resistor across the input.

 

I still have, and use, a couple of analog meters as they can show rate-of-change far better than most digital units.