Vaccine side-effects a major concern for people, poll shows

[cdemundo]

6 minutes ago, mikeymike100 said:

This part was missed out, there was no animal testing!

https://apnews.com/article/fact-checking-afs:Content:9792931264

from AP

"Pfizer and Moderna did not skip animal trials" November 2020

 

https://www.drugdiscoverytrends.com/pfizer-touts-non-human-preclinical-trial-results-for-covid-19-vaccine-candidate/

 

"Pfizer touts animal trial results for COVID-19 vaccine candidate"

from "Drug Discovery and Development"

By Sean Whooley | September 9, 2020

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/28/health/coronavirus-moderna-vaccine-monkeys.html

from NYT July 28, 2020

"Moderna Vaccine Test in Monkeys Shows Promise"

 

Took all of 5 minutes to find, read, copy and paste these.  I don't know more what to say.

[hotchilli]

5 hours ago, realfunster said:

 

 

Considering what a large number of Thais are willing to inhale, smoke and inject on a daily basis I'd of thought a Covid jab would be taken in their stride.

[cdemundo]

2 minutes ago, mikeymike100 said:

There is no question vaccines have saved countless millions of lives, as you mention smallpox. However because the CV19 was rushed, and it was rushed, 9 months compared to 10-15 years normally,  corners were cut and long term side effects are a real possibility. Just being careful, weighing up the pros and cons, l doesn't make people ''anti vaxxers''. 

You present false claims.  Like "animal testing was not done" that you could have easily verified.  Makes it hard to believe your overall claims.  This isn't a personal attack, when you make claims about matters of fact in a public forum you are subject to fact checking.  

[robblok]

9 minutes ago, cdemundo said:

https://apnews.com/article/fact-checking-afs:Content:9792931264

from AP

"Pfizer and Moderna did not skip animal trials" November 2020

 

https://www.drugdiscoverytrends.com/pfizer-touts-non-human-preclinical-trial-results-for-covid-19-vaccine-candidate/

 

"Pfizer touts animal trial results for COVID-19 vaccine candidate"

from "Drug Discovery and Development"

By Sean Whooley | September 9, 2020

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/28/health/coronavirus-moderna-vaccine-monkeys.html

from NYT July 28, 2020

"Moderna Vaccine Test in Monkeys Shows Promise"

 

Took all of 5 minutes to find, read, copy and paste these.  I don't know more what to say.

Never underestimate the stupidity (and narrowmindedness when searching for information) of anti vaxers.

 

No animal trials were done.. wow what a whopper of a lie.

[robblok]

15 minutes ago, mikeymike100 said:

There is no question vaccines have saved countless millions of lives, as you mention smallpox. However because the CV19 was rushed, and it was rushed, 9 months compared to 10-15 years normally,  corners were cut and long term side effects are a real possibility. Just being careful, weighing up the pros and cons, l doesn't make people ''anti vaxxers''. 

Rushed but no corners cut just processes streamlined more funds allocated. This is a pandemic. Do you really think the same resources went in normal vaccinations as what went into research now. They did more things parralel instead of in sequence this time to shorten times. Does not mean the same things were not done. Also the urgency was much greater so people put more effort in it.

 

I forgot to mention this virus is simular to an other virus so it was easier a lot research was done already. (think SARS adn MERS) so a lot of research was already done. Maybe you should find some more information before you discredit things.

Edited February 1, 2021 by robblok

[Searat7]

I had both Pfizer vaccines in USA during January with zero side effects. 

[shackleton]

Looking at the UK population getting vaccinated can't see many problems being found there with people receiving the vaccine 

I would feel more confident if I was going to receive the Astra Zeneca vaccine 

But thats a personal choice 

 

[Moonlover]

1 hour ago, richardperry said:

What happened to the "only being 50.3% affective" surly that should be big concern??? you don't know if you protected or not???

A very good point that I've mentioned previously. My worry would be that those that have had a vaccination shot will henceforth think they are immune. ('Ha ha Covid, you can't catch me!) Many might drop their guard, abandon all the precautions that we have become used to and then discover that it's not true.

 

There's a lot to learn yet about the long term ramifications of this pandemic.

[cdemundo]

12 minutes ago, robblok said:

Rushed but no corners cut just processes streamlined more funds allocated. This is a pandemic. Do you really think the same resources went in normal vaccinations as what went into research now. They did more things parralel instead of in sequence this time to shorten times. Does not mean the same things were not done. Also the urgency was much greater so people put more effort in it.

 

I forgot to mention this virus is simular to an other virus so it was easier a lot research was done already. (think SARS adn MERS) so a lot of research was already done. Maybe you should find some more information before you discredit things.

I think that also the financial incentive was greater.  Imagine if the market for you product was potentially every person in the world.

[robblok]

3 minutes ago, cdemundo said:

I think that also the financial incentive was greater.  Imagine if the market for you product was potentially every person in the world.

Of course so more scientists were put onto it. I am sure that 1000 or more times scientists were used combined to a normal development. The whole world was on it. 

[mikeymike100]

26 minutes ago, cdemundo said:

You present false claims.  Like "animal testing was not done" that you could have easily verified.  Makes it hard to believe your overall claims.  This isn't a personal attack, when you make claims about matters of fact in a public forum you are subject to fact checking.  

Let me re phrase, normal animal testing was not carried out. Normally the animal testing, pre clinical, takes 2 years. Work it out!!

[mikeymike100]

 

On 2/1/2021 at 10:20 AM, robblok said:

Your saying that corners are cut ? Do you have proof because you say because the time frame was different corners were cut. While i just show that a different time frame does not mean corners are cut.

Corners were cut in the 'testing'', its not difficult to understand. No long term trials have been carried out, yet!

[robblok]

5 minutes ago, mikeymike100 said:

 

Corners were cut in the 'testing'', its not difficult to understand. No long term trials have been carried out, yet!

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/dec/26/ten-reasons-we-got-covid-19-vaccines-so-quickly-without-cutting-corners

[ravip]

I would not blame anyone who is worried about the after effects of this vaccine.

It was done in a hurry and of course we all know how much 'Big Pharma' is concerned about us!

Where ever it is made, the concern is justified.

I doubt any country would poison their citizens intentionally, on a mass scale.

Yes, I agree as someone said earlier on this thread - standing at the end of the queue is the best!

IMHO

[robblok]

3 minutes ago, ravip said:

I would not blame anyone who is worried about the after effects of this vaccine.

It was done in a hurry and of course we all know how much 'Big Pharma' is concerned about us!

Where ever it is made, the concern is justified.

I doubt any country would poison their citizens intentionally, on a mass scale.

Yes, I agree as someone said earlier on this thread - standing at the end of the queue is the best!

IMHO

I would say now that 100 million people have been vaccinated its big enough proof that there is nothing wrong with the vaccines. (maybe long term but then waiting wont help either)

[Sean60]

Just start vaccinating people. There are millions of people around the world that have got the vaccine and no serious side effects.

We need to reopen the borders. The concern should be on people getting bankrupt. Poverty is increasing. 

Just take a walk walk in Pattaya, Phuket and Koh samui. Businesses are shout down for almost a year. people are unemployed. 

The tourism infrastructure is hurting badly. Many have left and those that are open are suffering.

We do not have the luxury of waiting and see. It is time for taking real steps toward attracting tourists back to Thailand. 

It will not be an easy task as majority of countries are still under lockdown.

 

[ravip]

5 minutes ago, robblok said:

I would say now that 100 million people have been vaccinated its big enough proof that there is nothing wrong with the vaccines. (maybe long term but then waiting wont help either)

Yes, waiting is also not a option... agree.

The long term effects would be the worse.

 

[Time to grow]

4 minutes ago, robblok said:

I would say now that 100 million people have been vaccinated its big enough proof that there is nothing wrong with the vaccines. (maybe long term but then waiting wont help either)

 

Then go get the vaccine for yourself. The more guinea pigs the better for those of us waiting for adequate evidence that the vaccine is safe.

[robblok]

2 minutes ago, Time to grow said:

 

Then go get the vaccine for yourself. The more guinea pigs the better for those of us waiting for adequate evidence that the vaccine is safe.

I will the moment its available. 100 million did already so no worries there. If you don't want to take it be my guest. I mean if you are no longer allowed to travel to many countries and you accept that then no problem.

 

Everyone should be allowed not to take it if they accept that they possibly could not come to certain countries have other restrictions. I don't see the point in forcing people as long as they accept that their decision will have consequences. 

 

If you say your will not to take that vaccine beats the opportunity to travel again be my guest.

 

 

[Time to grow]

5 minutes ago, Sean60 said:

We need to reopen the borders.

 

So you are advocating the borders be opened at the expense of all to protect those in the tourist industry?

 

I think your argument is flawed and potentially self centered. Maybe the emphasis should be on a more sustainable employment than tourism. If you haven't figured it out, tourism is unlikely to return in any significant way. 

[ravip]

3 minutes ago, robblok said:

I will the moment its available. 100 million did already so no worries there. If you don't want to take it be my guest. I mean if you are no longer allowed to travel to many countries and you accept that then no problem.

 

Everyone should be allowed not to take it if they accept that they possibly could not come to certain countries have other restrictions. I don't see the point in forcing people as long as they accept that their decision will have consequences. 

 

If you say your will not to take that vaccine beats the opportunity to travel again be my guest.

 

 

"if you are no longer allowed to travel to many countries "

Yes, people should have the option of not getting vaccinated... but of course, Terms & Conditions apply!

Someone has to pay the cost of R & D and more, eventually...

As humans... we are gradually losing our freedom due to some reason... slowly, but surely.

 

[robblok]

1 minute ago, ravip said:

"if you are no longer allowed to travel to many countries "

Yes, people should have the option of not getting vaccinated... but of course, Terms & Conditions apply!

Someone has to pay the cost of R & D and more, eventually...

As humans... we are gradually losing our freedom due to some reason... slowly, but surely.

 

I find it perfectly reasonable to not allow people into a country if not vaccinated. Countries need to protect their citizen. If they feel that allowing unvaccinated people in is dangerous then a country can take that step.

 

Just look at how countries are being closed off now. So its just something we need to accept. I think we have more freedom then ever. But rules need to be there as there are more and more of us and the earth is not growing. To live together rules need to be in place. Rules that protect us.

[mickyr55]

2 hours ago, Moonlover said:

Forget it, it's nothing more than scare mongering created by a poll of a tiny proportion of the population.

 

By the time that the first Thais gets their Covid vaccine, millions of people around the globe will have had one, including the Chinese version. If there's a problem, we'll have heard about it for sure. 

WOW wish I was as confident as you seem to be about the Chinese freedom of information, same people who told WHO nothing whatsoever about Covid in China in last week's big survey Worldwide, Chinese response was "NO INFORMATION AVAILABLE ".

[GroveHillWanderer]

On 2/1/2021 at 10:08 AM, robblok said:

I forgot to mention this virus is simular to an other virus so it was easier a lot research was done already. (think SARS adn MERS) so a lot of research was already done. Maybe you should find some more information before you discredit things.

This. In the case of the Oxford-AstraZeneca vaccine it was MERS, which they'd already developed a vaccine for, and which was already undergoing human testing before SARS-CoV-2 came along. For other manufacturers it was SARS that they had previously worked on.

 

So all they had to do was slightly tweak their SARS or MERS candidate vaccines by replacing a tiny strand of the genetic code in them, and they were ready to go straight into laboratory, animal and then human testing.

 

The vaccine platform used by OAZ was the result of more than ten years' work on a vaccine for a disease 'X' so when it came to developing a vaccine for CoVid-19 they had already shaved around a decade off the development lead time required.

 

Edited February 2, 2021 by onthedarkside
disallowed social media video removed

[robblok]

On 2/1/2021 at 11:39 AM, GroveHillWanderer said:

This. In the case of the Oxford-AstraZeneca vaccine it was MERS -b(lwhich they'd already developed a vaccine for, and which was already undergoing human testing before SARS-CoV-2 came along. For other manufacturers it was SARS that they had previously worked on.

 

So all they had to do was slightly tweak their SARS or MERS candidate vaccines by replacing a tiny strand of the genetic code in them, and they were ready to go straight into laboratory, animal and then human testing.

 

The vaccine platform used by OAZ was the result of more than ten years' work on a vaccine for a disease 'X' so when it came to developing a vaccine for CoVid-19 they had already shaved around a decade off the development lead time required.

 

 

Yes this is exactly what i meant, but the anti vaxers love to ignore science. Perhaps they just don't want to hear a valid explanation as that means their arguments become even weaker. 

[Moonlover]

38 minutes ago, mickyr55 said:

3 hours ago, Moonlover said:

Forget it, it's nothing more than scare mongering created by a poll of a tiny proportion of the population.

 

By the time that the first Thais gets their Covid vaccine, millions of people around the globe will have had one, including the Chinese version. If there's a problem, we'll have heard about it for sure. 

 

38 minutes ago, mickyr55 said:

WOW wish I was as confident as you seem to be about the Chinese freedom of information, same people who told WHO nothing whatsoever about Covid in China in last week's big survey Worldwide, Chinese response was "NO INFORMATION AVAILABLE ".

In what way did I show confidence in the Chinese version?

[Toscano]

I live in Rural Isaan , so far there have been NO cases of COVID-19 in my village , or I believe within an hour's drive . I will be 84 yrs in April , I'm remarkably fit and never go anywhere other than an occasional checkup with my doctor , or for the annual visa extension . When I was a little boy I suffered dreadfully every winter from Influenza , at about 10 yrs old my mother took me to see an eminent London , Harley St. doctor .

Dr Panizzi took a swab from my throat and had my own special vaccine made , that he sent to my boarding school where I was vaccinated by matron . I have never had influenza since , I like to believe that my personal vaccine of antibodies might still protect me better than the COVID-19 vaccines on offer . Leaving aside side effects , I am more concerned that people who tested negative before vaccination are proving positive after vaccination . I have had a wonderful life , have done nearly everything I wanted to do , this pandemic is WWIII without a shot being fired , mutations suggest that it may go on indefinitely . I am happy for friends who have already died before it began , my world is finished , there is nothing to live for , I am not intending to have the vaccination . 

[Cobra666]

59 minutes ago, robblok said:

I will the moment its available. 100 million did already so no worries there. If you don't want to take it be my guest. I mean if you are no longer allowed to travel to many countries and you accept that then no problem.

 

Everyone should be allowed not to take it if they accept that they possibly could not come to certain countries have other restrictions. I don't see the point in forcing people as long as they accept that their decision will have consequences. 

 

If you say your will not to take that vaccine beats the opportunity to travel again be my guest.

 

 

You should read up on human rights. Forced vaccination is not allowed according to the principles of the Nuremberg code. If you believe the vaccine is working, you should not worry about other people.

[BadSpottedDog]

1 hour ago, Searat7 said:

I had both Pfizer vaccines in USA during January with zero side effects. 

While I know at least 10 people in America who had serious reactions or got sick with covid within a week after receiving the vaccine. Yet, there has been no "news" reports of the reactions. News is not fact, and sadly, it's hard to find trustworthy info. At least Norway did responsible reporting about the senior deaths there. Good on them.

[rumak]

Best slogan of the week !!

 

Remember,  social distancing brings us all closer together 

 

( this is a REAL television proclamation) 

can't make these things up.   oops,  i guess they did !