16 hours ago, ukrules said:

Both of my parents who are in their mid 70's have been vaccinated at some point over the last 2 weeks and they had no side effects at all.

 

It was the AstraZeneca vaccine commonly known as 'the Oxford vaccine' - the same one Thailand has ordered tens of millions of doses of and will then at some point manufacture under a technology transfer deal for onward distribution throughout Asia.

 

My 91 year old mother in the UK received her second dose of Pfizer-BioNTech shot on the 6th Jan. Sore arm for a few hours thats all.

18 hours ago, webfact said:

65.99 per cent said they want to know the vaccine's side-effects before inoculation;

...

63.88 per cent said they have little confidence;

 

Smart people.

But what is it with suan dusit polls - interviewing 1500 people out of a total population of 70 million?  (OK, remove all under 20, still not much of a sample for polls)

12 hours ago, Catoni said:

Anti-vaxxers have been paranoid and alarming people ever since the late 1700’s when the first vaccine came out. (Smallpox vaccine...which eventually wiped out Smallpox).

    It never ends... they had all kinds of scary threats and stories of Smallpox vaccine and every vaccine since. It never ends. The latest threats and scares in the past sixty years or so being Polio Vaccine and the Flu vaccine shot. We used to argue the Flu shot at work. All kinds of scary stories and my boss and others laughing at those of us who got the shot every year...saying we were damaging our bodies and we would regret it, and anyone who got the Flu shot for their children should be charged with child abuse.
   And here we go yet again,.... the Covid vaccine shot.  More scary stories and threats and “...you’re going to regret it.”

 The Anti-vaxxers never quit. It never ends. They’ve been at it now for more than 200 years. 

Millions of lives saved by vaccinations against a miniscule percentage of people suffering major adverse reactions. Its a tough choice !

44 minutes ago, ravip said:

After effects like sore arm, muscle etc for a couple of days are fine and acceptable. The concerns are of the other complications that cannot be reversed.

 

Would you care to publish the estimated lives saved by vaccinations in say the last 50 years ,compared to those who have suffered major complications ?

2 minutes ago, joecoolfrog said:

Would you care to publish the estimated lives saved by vaccinations in say the last 50 years ,compared to those who have suffered major complications ?

It is about the COVID vaccination that we are referring to here.

Absolutely nothing against vaccinations, except the fear of this vaccination made in a hurry.

Vaccine must firstly arrive!!!!

2 hours ago, ravip said:

It is about the COVID vaccination that we are referring to here.

Absolutely nothing against vaccinations, except the fear of this vaccination made in a hurry.

The Covid vaccines were produced quickly because there was huge incentive and financial backing.

There is no evidence whatsoever that the trials were compromised , short cuts made or that they will be less safe than previous vaccines .

 

17 hours ago, SiSePuede419 said:

Wrong. 

 

You're not educated if you think correlation equals causation.

 

This statement which contains factual errors is almost as ignorant. ✅

Elaborate on what the "factual errors" are in my statement that you quoted. Simply saying "wrong" is a low IQ response.

Take the vaccine, and have possible side effects... Or  No vaccine, get CoVid and possibly Die..... the choice is yours.. 

Personally I have no problem with people that don't want to take the vaccine,  I hope even more would not, 

with limited supplies It leave more available for me' 

So please stop trying to convince them to take it. In fact you should agree with them and tell them to wait and see.

 

1 hour ago, Soikhaonoiken said:

Take the vaccine, and have possible side effects... Or  No vaccine, get CoVid and possibly Die..... the choice is yours.. 

The choice is indeed mine.

 

If you still are concerned about death maybe take some time to reflect on how little of that you actually can control.

 

Be more scared about not living the life you want.

7 hours ago, joecoolfrog said:

The Covid vaccines were produced quickly because there was huge incentive and financial backing.

There is no evidence whatsoever that the trials were compromised , short cuts made or that they will be less safe than previous vaccines .

 

I fervently hope and pray you are correct.

Eventually, I guess, time will prove this...

I would accept the vaccine voluntarily, but if they tell me I must take it, I will refuse and stand up for my rights.

1 hour ago, Neeranam said:

I would accept the vaccine voluntarily, but if they tell me I must take it, I will refuse and stand up for my rights.

I don't believe they will force anyone. Just that it holds certain disadvantages for not doing it like harder travel. That is something that is in the cards. But that does not change your rights always been the way that countries could limit people from entering if not vaccinated. That is not something new, just something more current now as it will probably apply to a lot of countries in the future. 

 

So your rights have not changed, just that the theoretical has become a bit more practical with a world wide virus. Before it was just certain countries you could not enter if not vaccinated for certain things now the list will be bigger.  That is my prediction anyway. I could be wrong but I think a difference will be made between those vaccinated and those who are not vaccinated. 

23 hours ago, Cobra666 said:

It seems like you know very little of vaccines. Side effects are not cleared within months. That can take more than a year.

I'm sorry but that's just not true according to any of the research data I can find.

 

Serious adverse side effects from vaccines are indeed virtually always experienced within a month or two of receiving the inoculation(s).

 

This is because of the basic nature of how vaccines work. They give an immediate and often relatively short-term boost to the immune system. After that initial jolt and ramping up of the immune response to a peak, usually within 10-14 days, the effects start to wane gradually. In some cases, the effects of the vaccine diminish to such a level that you need a booster every so many years (e.g. tetanus, meningitis). It's true that some vaccines give long term immunity but even those that do, still tend to become less effective as people get older.

 

There's no convincing evidence that I've seen, of vaccines causing serious, adverse side effects years later (or even one year later).

 

There was one study I found from Finland that claimed to have found a link between childhood flu vaccinations and children developing diabetes years later. However its findings were based purely on statistical probability, without any proposed causative mechanism and could not be replicated, even by people using the same data. The study is now widely considered to be based on a flawed data model.

 

If you have any published research findings that show differently, I'd be genuinely interested to see them.

They’ve been using mRNA for years now. Specifically in cancer treatment. They actually know quite a bit about mRNA in the body. I’ll guess that the thousands and thousands of scientists, doctors, professors, chemists, researchers at the pharmaceutical companies know a LOT more about it than you and I do.

   By the way, the mRNA enters the cell, does its work and then is broken down. It can’t hurt your DNA and never enters the nucleus of the cell where your DNA is anyways. 

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22 hours ago, jwbrit said:

My 97 yo mother had 2 shots of Pfizer, in UK. Seems like side effects were not a problem, beyond sore arm both times.

My daughter (nurse) in USA had 2 shots of Moderna. First shot developed a big lump at injection site as did her colleagues, sore and passed. Second shot made her feel like <deleted>, fever, body aches and fatigue.

Yes... a few vaccines give you a sore upper arm muscle for a few days where you got the shot.  Two examples being the Tetanus vaccine shot and the Shingrix Shingles vaccine shots. Sore upper arm muscle for two or three days is normal and to be expected for those vaccines. I received both those vaccines and I just put up with the sore muscle. No problem. Four days later the soreness was gone. I get a booster Tetanus vaccine shot at least every ten years. 
   I’ll get the Pfizer Covid vaccine shots.  

On 2/1/2021 at 1:12 AM, simtemple said:

I'd be worried about the Pfizer product. 

 

https://www.business-standard.com/article/current-affairs/pfizer-vaccine-worries-norway-as-29-elderly-people-die-after-taking-shot-121011700157_1.html

 

  I’d be worried about being elderly with co-morbidities.  I’ve heard that 100% of elderly people die. Whether they get the vaccine or not. 

The vast majority have "adverse reactions" as state by the CDC - arm redness, pain, etc. However, they also state severe adverse reactions, somr resulting in death are extremely rare, and are at the rate of those injected with a placebo. In one study 2 died afer beith given a pfizer vaccination, but 4 in the placebo group also died. It's only anti  vaxxers coming up with this rubbish. To their chagrin they may need to get a vaccination to extend their visa 555 

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A few people get complications with any vaccine. (A few people get horrible complications from eating shellfish or nuts.)

  The question is...do the vaccines save a lot more people from grief and death?  Do the benefits outweigh the complications? 
   Are we more willing to drive in cars and ride motorcycles and risk accident and death? Or do we swear off riding in vehicles and just walk ? 

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3 minutes ago, DavisH said:

The vast majority have "adverse reactions" as state by the CDC - arm redness, pain, etc. However, they also state severe adverse reactions, somr resulting in death are extremely rare, and are at the rate of those injected with a placebo. In one study 2 died afer beith given a pfizer vaccination, but 4 in the placebo group also died. It's only anti  vaxxers coming up with this rubbish. To their chagrin they may need to get a vaccination to extend their visa 555 

   Yes... Tetanus vaccine and Shingles Shingrix vaccine also gives a sore arm muscle for a few days. But that didn’t stop me from getting them. I’m willing to put up with a sore arm muscle for a few days in exchange for the protection. Other vaccines don’t bother me at all. 

3 minutes ago, Catoni said:

A few people get complications with any vaccine. (A few people get horrible complications from eating shellfish or nuts.)

  The question is...do the vaccines save a lot more people from grief and death?  Do the benefits outweigh the complications? 
   Are we more willing to drive in cars and ride motorcycles and risk accident and death? Or do we swear off riding in vehicles and just walk ? 

its down to your age if you necessarily want to live imo,

65+ are at risk of the virus, in which case i would place my bet on the vaccine, but below age 65 i place my bet on

letting my body handle it

On 1/31/2021 at 11:11 PM, robblok said:

I find it perfectly reasonable to not allow people into a country if not vaccinated. Countries need to protect their citizen. If they feel that allowing unvaccinated people in is dangerous then a country can take that step.

 

Just look at how countries are being closed off now. So its just something we need to accept. I think we have more freedom then ever. But rules need to be there as there are more and more of us and the earth is not growing. To live together rules need to be in place. Rules that protect us.

If you’ve been to a country where Yellow Fever is endemic, many countries will not allow you entry if you have not been vaccinated against Yellow Fever. You must show them your “Yellow Card” International Certificate of Vaccination or Prophylaxis. Some of them will give you a choice at immigration... come with us into a room and receive the shot of Yellow Fever vaccine from a nurse or other health worker, or you’re on the next flight out of the country. 
  It will be similar for Covid-19. 

It's simple: Covid or a vaccine...Choose your poison.  There is NO easy path, just a path....what would you like? 

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1 hour ago, GroveHillWanderer said:

I'm sorry but that's just not true according to any of the research data I can find.

 

Serious adverse side effects from vaccines are indeed virtually always experienced within a month or two of receiving the inoculation(s).

 

This is because of the basic nature of how vaccines work. They give an immediate and often relatively short-term boost to the immune system. After that initial jolt and ramping up of the immune response to a peak, usually within 10-14 days, the effects start to wane gradually. In some cases, the effects of the vaccine diminish to such a level that you need a booster every so many years (e.g. tetanus, meningitis). It's true that some vaccines give long term immunity but even those that do, still tend to become less effective as people get older.

 

There's no convincing evidence that I've seen, of vaccines causing serious, adverse side effects years later (or even one year later).

 

There was one study I found from Finland that claimed to have found a link between childhood flu vaccinations and children developing diabetes years later. However its findings were based purely on statistical probability, without any proposed causative mechanism and could not be replicated, even by people using the same data. The study is now widely considered to be based on a flawed data model.

 

If you have any published research findings that show differently, I'd be genuinely interested to see them.

The Yellow Fever vaccine used to need a booster every ten years. It’s now considered to give lifelong immunity. 
  Same with Hep A and B vaccines. A completed series is considered to give life long immunity. 

Many people allergic to the Flu shot are allergic to eggs. (Eggs are used in production of the Flu vaccine)  I would also expect you to get itchy hives all over your body also if you were getting an anaphylactic allergy reaction. 

    I’ve been getting the Flu shot every year for about fifty years now with no side effects at all. 
  But the effects you describe also sound like the side effects of an anxiety attack. Do you have fear of needles and injections? (Trypanophobia)

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Just now, Catoni said:

I’ve been getting the Flu shot every year for about fifty years now with no side effects at all. 

and i havnt been getting any flu shot at all for the past 50 years with no side effects either

23 hours ago, EricTh said:

The immediate side effects of rashness are minor but the serious side effects might come much later or months later.

 

Some people died in Norway after taking the Pfizer vaccine.

    Some people died and never had a vaccine in their life. 

Correlation does not imply causation.  A brother of mine developed asthma and did not have a vaccine. 
  And as a child I had asthma and then my asthma went away after having my childhood vaccinations.   So did vaccines cure my asthma?  
 
I’ve had the Flu shot every year for the past fifty years, including H1N1 vaccine, and I’m perfectly fine.