UK asks EU for Brexit grace period extension to 2023, BBC reports

[7by7]

1 hour ago, CG1 Blue said:

The UK was not a member state in December. We left in Jan 2020. 

 But we were still subject to all the rules and regulations until the end of the transition period; midnight on 31st December 2020.

 

As explained ad infinitum; we used those rules and regulations to unilaterally authorise use of the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine.

1 hour ago, CG1 Blue said:

Hungary only has a 6 month authorisation to use the Russian vaccine. The European Medicines Agency has to license any vaccine for use in EU countries, but they allow countries to license vaccines temporarily (how generous of them). 

Which is how we were able to approve the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine in December though still subject to the EU rules and regulations. That approval was also temporary. Although now we are no longer under those rules and regulations, that point is moot.

 

1 hour ago, CG1 Blue said:

The EU should be bending over backwards to help ease the the export issues for the UK. After all, our Oxford scientists produced a vaccine that is cheap and easy to store and therefore easy to roll out globally. The EU should be thankful for that. Plus if the EU do the decent thing we are more likely to help them out of their own self inflicted vaccine crisis.

 

The EU approved the Oxford/AstraZeneca vaccine once an application had been submitted. EMA receives application for conditional marketing authorisation of COVID-19 Vaccine AstraZeneca

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The assessment of the vaccine, known as COVID-19 Vaccine AstraZeneca, will proceed under an accelerated timeline.

 

Although supply shortages of the vaccine meant that despite this the EU will not have the amount they had been promised: Covid: Oxford/AstraZeneca vaccine delivery to EU to be cut by 60%. 

 

Problems at the Pfizer plant, also in Belgium, have led to the reduction in promised deliveries to both the UK and EU.

 

UK to face delay in delivery of Pfizer Covid vaccine

 

Coronavirus: EU anger over delayed Pfizer vaccine deliveries

 

[Hi from France]

8 minutes ago, 7by7 said:

 But we were still subject to all the rules and regulations until the end of the transition period; midnight on 31st December 2020.

 

As explained ad infinitum; we used those rules and regulations to unilaterally authorise use of the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine.

We have repeated this fact over and over. 

 

No matter how much proof we bring, how many times we repeat it

 

they simply cannot factor it in 

[7by7]

15 minutes ago, Loiner said:

You may only get your appreciation  of the government Brexit preparations from the TV adverts or what you read in the Grauniad. You are wrong and doing your twisting again. System and paperwork have been in preparation for the past few years and progressively rolled out for over a year. 

 

TV adverts made under the instruction of and paid for by the UK government which directed people to the UK government pages I linked to.

 

Nothing in my post came from the Guardian or any other media. Click on the links in my post and you will see all the information on how to prepare for Brexit I've quoted comes from the UK government!

 

That UK government information was first publicised last July; as my link clearly shows.

 

Prove me wrong by providing an official UK government 'how to prepare for the requirements of the post Brexit UK/EU trade agreement' from before the government's July 2020 announcement.

 

I await your usual feeble "I wont dance to your tune" excuse for not doing so.

[tebee]

17 hours ago, tebee said:

 

 

What changed is the the UK left the EU, but also said it didn't want to be bound  by EU rules and standards. Therefore everything that comes from the UK has to be  checked and needs paperwork - you wouldn't want the EU to abandon it's sovereignty would you ?

 

We also left the customs union and when goods cross a customs boarder they need paperwork - it's in the WTO rules.

 

UK is being "pragmatic" because it's not ready yet - it's only had 4 years to get ready ! (and incidentally breaking WTO rules doing so)    

 

7 hours ago, Loiner said:

 

Its only had 4 weeks. The Remainer businesses were hanging on to their hopes that the U.K. would collapse in the negotiations and agree to all EU demands and their cost status quo would continue. 

 

41 minutes ago, tebee said:

But we are not talking about businesses here, we are talking about this useless Tory government, who one would assume  knew exactly what sort of hard Brexit they were aiming for ?

 

Customs agents take a couple of years to train, computers systems that are not going to be ready for three years? 

 

It's almost as if they wanted Brexit but didn't want to pay for it.

 

Or maybe they didn't want to admit how much this Brexit is going to cost them and everybody else....

 

The EU managed it and were ready from day 1 - why not us seeing as we were the ones that wanted it ?  

 

 

5 minutes ago, Loiner said:

No we are talking about some businesses in some sectors not being able to properly produce their paperwork. Nothing to do with a Tory government. 

 

New computer systems were being rolled out for over a year. Which do you think won’t be ready for three years. However did they manage to trade for forty six years and even the past year when we actually left?

 

its almost as if you believe that the sky is falling in. 

 

The pragmatism we talking about is the UK government not applying checks to incoming lorries - because they are not ready yet and to do so would cause further delays and supply shortages in the UK 

 

To help your reading comprehension I've highlighted in bold the relevant passages in my posts  - I would do it in yours too, but I think that might fall fowl of forum rules.

 

The EU did not need to be pragmatic as they were ready in time. In the UK, not only had no one  explained to business what would be required, but that shambles we call a government could not get itself ready in time for it's own self imposed deadline ! 

[7by7]

16 minutes ago, Loiner said:

Gagging for it they were, especially the extended contributions which would have been due with an extended transition. They were all clamouring in June, until Boris said No to another extension. Well done Bozza, again. 

 

Evidence has been provided to refute your claim; where is yours to support it?

 

Or will you yet again resort to your  your usual feeble "I wont dance to your tune" excuse for not doing providing any?

[7by7]

6 minutes ago, tebee said:

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In the UK, not only had no one  explained to business what would be required, but that shambles we call a government could not get itself ready in time for it's own self imposed deadline ! 

 

Indeed.

 

As shown earlier, the official UK guidance to businesses was not updated to take account of the trade agreement until 31/12/20; seven days after the agreement was reached.

 

OK they had to rush it. Which probably explains why they made such a hash of it, that the guidance has had to be updated four times since!

 

So much for claims that everything was ready to roll over a year ago!

[Loiner]

15 minutes ago, 7by7 said:

 

TV adverts made under the instruction of and paid for by the UK government which directed people to the UK government pages I linked to.

 

Nothing in my post came from the Guardian or any other media. Click on the links in my post and you will see all the information on how to prepare for Brexit I've quoted comes from the UK government!

 

That UK government information was first publicised last July; as my link clearly shows.

 

Prove me wrong by providing an official UK government 'how to prepare for the requirements of the post Brexit UK/EU trade agreement' from before the government's July 2020 announcement.

 

I await your usual feeble "I wont dance to your tune" excuse for not doing so.

Real people in real businesses were already using new systems long before TV adverts.

The TV ads appeared for those who may not already be trading with the U.K. but possibly could need to get themselves informed. They are one of the last stages of general public information, or for nosey bystanders like yourself. 

If you were involved in a business or sector trading with the EU, you would already know all that. 

[Hi from France]

On 2/3/2021 at 1:48 PM, snoop1130 said:

UK asks EU for Brexit grace period extension to 2023, BBC reports

Gove had written to the European Commission’s vice president, Maros Sefcovic, to ask for urgent political solutions.

All he can do is write a nice letter? Could he not summon the EU ambassador? 

 

Wait

 

There are no active embassies between the UK and the EU. 

 

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Edited February 7, 2021 by Hi from France

[Hi from France]

Things are going to get really thorny 

 

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British firms are warning of further Brexit red tape as the government prepares to introduce a long list of new controls on imports from the European Union in April and July.

 

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In the coming months further checks are due to be phased in at the UK border, controlling everything from the import of sausages and live mussels to horses and trees, as well as the locations these checks can take place. 

 

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One logistics firm warned the situation had “disaster written all over it”

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/feb/07/british-importers-brace-for-disaster-as-new-brexit-checks-loom

[Loiner]

33 minutes ago, 7by7 said:

 

Evidence has been provided to refute your claim; where is yours to support it?

 

Or will you yet again resort to your  your usual feeble "I wont dance to your tune" excuse for not doing providing any?

You have not provided anything of the sort, just more twisting. Your reference to WA does nothing to refute my claim at all. It rather supports it actually, in that they made provision in the hope it would be extended by Barnier’s negotiating strategy. 

[7by7]

1 minute ago, Loiner said:

Real people in real businesses were already using new systems long before TV adverts.

 

What systems were those?

 

Why no evidence of them from you?

 

2 minutes ago, Loiner said:

The TV ads appeared for those who may not already be trading with the U.K. but possibly could need to get themselves informed.

Err, the UK government's TV ads, shown in the UK, were specifically directed at business large and small in the UK who wanted to continue to trade with the EU. Not people outside the UK who wanted to trade with the UK!

 

Of course these people needed to get informed; but as the updates to the UK government's guidance proves, not even the UK government knew what would be required until the agreement was finally reached on Christmas Eve.

 

To be fair, though, there was some advice from the government on what would be required if there was no deal; but as there is one, that was binned.

 

6 minutes ago, Loiner said:

They are one of the last stages of general public information,

 Yes, the guidance I linked to was the last stage of information; because nothing was certain until the agreement was reached. But that guidance and it's updates first appeared in July 2020. 

 

I've asked you for earlier guidance; you haven't provided it.

 

But maybe you believe businesses in the UK are all equipped with crystal balls or time machines so they can see the future! Then again, given the nonsense you post, that wouldn't surprise me!

 

9 minutes ago, Loiner said:

or for nosey bystanders like yourself. 

Nosey bystander? Being concerned about the effects of Brexit on business and therefore the economy in my country makes me a nosey bystander?

 

A pathetic comment from someone with no real argument and zero facts to back up what you say.

 

11 minutes ago, Loiner said:

If you were involved in a business or sector trading with the EU, you would already know all that

I admit to not being involved in trade with the EU; but I know people who are. From what they tell me, plus reports in the media of the many delays and difficulties faced by UK exporters to the EU, especially small to medium businesses show that they most definitely did not know all that; because the advice from the government was effectively "wait and see."

 

Of course, if all is as wonderful and easy as you claim, why is Gove asking for an extension? Not even you can call him a Remainer who is trying to sabotage Brexit! Can you?

[7by7]

1 minute ago, Loiner said:

You have not provided anything of the sort, just more twisting. Your reference to WA does nothing to refute my claim at all. It rather supports it actually, in that they made provision in the hope it would be extended by Barnier’s negotiating strategy. 

 

I provided a quote from, and link to, the Institute for Government.

 

Who are 'they' who made the provision? It was Boris who triumphally announced the WA as his deal!

 

BTW, Article 132 of the WA allowed the Joint (UK/EU) Committee to extend the transition period if both the UK and EU agreed. The UK could have suggested it, the EU could also have done so.

 

However, as far as I can ascertain, although the EU members of the committee informally suggested an extension to allow both the EU and UK to focus on responses to the pandemic, no formal request was ever made. Apparently because the informal suggestion was rejected out of hand by the UK representatives on the committee. 

 

Unless you can provide evidence to show otherwise. 

 

But I expect that yet again you'll use your excuse for not having any evidence to support your claims by saying that you don't dance to other's tunes!

[tebee]

1 hour ago, Loiner said:

Real people in real businesses were already using new systems long before TV adverts.

...

Oh no they weren't  - exactly none of the new UK computer systems were ready by the time we ended transition. They had a people testing an alpha version of the new customs system all of three weeks before Brexit, but that was it !

[tebee]

2 hours ago, Loiner said:

Gagging for it they were, especially the extended contributions which would have been due with an extended transition. They were all clamouring in June, until Boris said No to another extension. Well done Bozza, again. 

 

 

I can't help but read that and and think of this -

 

Really, that’s their best offer? That’s the plan? To swagger into Brussels with Union Jack pants on and say: “ ’Ello luv, you’re looking nice today. Would you like some?” When the rest of us ask how that’s really going to work, leavers reply, with Terry-Thomas smirks, that “they’re going to still really fancy us, honest, they’re gagging for us.

 

So, given that the EU was ready to go from day 1 and we were not, you'd rather stick it to the EU because you think they wanted the extension that get that extension and not cripple British industry as they and our government  were were not ready.

[bannork]

The DUP are not happy bunnies says Ian Paisley ( you'd think his dad could have given him a different first name).

https://www.irishnews.com/news/brexit/2021/01/11/news/uk-eu-trading-regime-an-unmitigated-disaster-for-northern-ireland-ian-paisley-says-2183874/

[oldhippy]

Let's look at the bright side about this asking for a grace period.

 

The Brexitears will never again dare to critisize the EU bureaucracy, after the way the UK Tax department messed up this oven ready deal.

[welovesundaysatspace]

15 hours ago, Loiner said:

They were all clamouring in June, until Boris said No to another extension. 

...so that he could then give goods coming from Europe an extension of half year, and ask for a two years extension for Northern Ireland now ???? 

 

Just shows again that he’s catering to people like you, who are so obsessed about slogans and symbols that they don’t see through the results.
 

[vogie]

54 minutes ago, oldhippy said:

Let's look at the bright side about this asking for a grace period.

 

The Brexitears will never again dare to critisize the EU bureaucracy, after the way the UK Tax department messed up this oven ready deal.

I'm afraid we just cannot compete with the likes of Mrs U v d Leyen, if she was the answer, what was the question.

 

 

 

[Sujo]

59 minutes ago, vogie said:

I'm afraid we just cannot compete with the likes of Mrs U v d Leyen, if she was the answer, what was the question.

 

 

 

Remind us again who was begging?

[vogie]

1 hour ago, Sujo said:

Remind us again who was begging?

Strangely enough I cannot find anything anywhere that states that the UK was "begging," the opening post does say "ask" and maybe that threw you a tad? Or maybe it would not be a Euro if they didn't throw an odd snide remark in with their replies.

The reason that the UK asked the EU for an extension to the NI Protocol is because for over four years now the EU have been saying that there cannot be a hard border in NI because it is such a sensitive issue. So what does the the leader of the EU do, she (UvdL) at the flick of a switch, she implements a hard border, that can only be described as a monumental judgement of error by anyones standards.

But undoubtedly her trusty followers will still fly the flag for her, she can do no wrong in their eyes, it is a bit like asking a follower of the Wacko Waco lot, 'why is David Korish stockpiling all those weapons' and they look at you mystified and say, 'he is taking us clay pigeon shooting at the weekend.

There is only one place for a border to go between two foreign countries and that is between the countries, it would stop all this you have more vaccine than us, we will close the border. 

Edited February 8, 2021 by vogie

[bkkcanuck8]

34 minutes ago, vogie said:

Strangely enough I cannot find anything anywhere that states that the UK was "begging," the opening post does say "ask" and maybe that threw you a tad? Or maybe it would not be a Euro if they didn't throw an odd snide remark in with their replies.

The reason that the UK asked the EU for an extension to the NI Protocol is because for over four years now the EU have been saying that there cannot be a hard border in NI because it is such a sensitive issue. So what does the the leader of the EU do, she (UvdL) at the flick of a switch, she implements a hard border, that can only be described as a monumental judgement of error by anyones standards.

But undoubtedly her trusty followers will still fly the flag for her, she can do no wrong in their eyes, it is a bit like asking a follower of the Wacko Waco lot, 'why is David Korish stockpiling all those weapons' and they look at you mystified and say, 'he is taking us clay pigeon shooting at the weekend.

There is only one place for a border to go between two foreign countries and that is between the countries, it would stop all this you have more vaccine than us, we will close the border. 

The term begging is usually used by those begging... it is an interpretation.  I would say if you asked once and accepted the answer the term 'ask' would be appropriate, if you ask repeatedly and refuse to accept the answer you don't want or you ask and if the answer is one you don't like and you whinge and complain about it... then 'begging' would be the appropriate terminology.

[vogie]

Just now, bkkcanuck8 said:

The term begging is usually used by those begging... it is an interpretation.  I would say if you asked once and accepted the answer the term 'ask' would be appropriate, if you ask repeatedly and refuse to accept the answer you don't want or you ask and if the answer is one you don't like and you whinge and complain about it... then 'begging' would be the appropriate terminology.

It may be your interpretation, it is certainly not mine and playing with semantics does not remove the incompetency of  the UvdL, but just between you and myself, how did she get to be in charge of the EU, you can tell me, I'll keep it to myself. ????????

[Sujo]

1 minute ago, vogie said:

It may be your interpretation, it is certainly not mine and playing with semantics does not remove the incompetency of  the UvdL, but just between you and myself, how did she get to be in charge of the EU, you can tell me, I'll keep it to myself. ????????

Which has nothing to do with the op. Nor my comment..

 

who is begging for the extention?

[7by7]

2 hours ago, vogie said:

It may be your interpretation, it is certainly not mine and playing with semantics does not remove the incompetency of  the UvdL,

She made a huge blunder in her threat to use Article 16 to prevent vaccine doses using the Irish border to enter the UK.

 

But both Arlene Foster and Ian Paisley Jnr have also declared they want Article 16 triggered!

 

It seems, too, that having failed to renege on his own Irish Protocol in his own WA via his infamous Internal Market Bill, Boris Johnson now wants to use Article 16 to achieve the same thing!

 

The reduction to the previously agreed vaccine supply to the EU by both AstraZeneca and Pfizer/BioNTech is hardly von der Leyen's  fault.

 

Have you any further examples of her incompetency?

 

3 hours ago, vogie said:

but just between you and myself, how did she get to be in charge of the EU, you can tell me, I'll keep it to myself.

She is not in charge of the EU; she is simply the most senior civil servant in the EU.

 

No need to keep it to yourself; the method of her appointment, like that of all her predecessors, is a matter of public record. Recommended by the Council of Ministers; approved by the European Parliament.

 

Whereas the appointment of her UK equivalent, the Cabinet Secretary (currently Simon Case), has no scrutiny by any elected body as it is purely under the patronage of the Prime Minister.

 

Furthermore, while the Cabinet Secretary is in post until they choose to leave, the President of the European Commission only holds the post for 5 years. After which they must either stand down or seek re-election. Unless they are fired first!

[bkkcanuck8]

3 hours ago, vogie said:

... how did she get to be in charge of the EU, you can tell me...

Democratically elected 383 out of 747 MEPs.    Can't be worse than another that was elected by the members of his own party... 'Bojo the clown'...

[vogie]

29 minutes ago, 7by7 said:

Have you any further examples of her incompetency?

Yeah, whilst I admire you for trying to keep the tanker afloat the EU is letting more water in than it can handle and will eventually sink. This will be my one and only reply to you, I think we both know why. 

[CG1 Blue]

58 minutes ago, 7by7 said:

Whereas the appointment of her UK equivalent, the Cabinet Secretary (currently Simon Case),

That is a stretch even for you! You know full well UvL's position is hugely more prominent and significant than Simon Case's position. That's a ridiculous comparison and just highlights the lengths you'll go to to win an argument ????‍♂️

[oldhippy]

2 hours ago, vogie said:

Yeah, whilst I admire you for trying to keep the tanker afloat the EU is letting more water in than it can handle and will eventually sink. This will be my one and only reply to you, I think we both know why. 

 

I so much like what this stand up comedian (sit down comedian?) does with his glasses.

It must have taken him years to reach this level of perfection. Maybe he got inspired by Cleese's "How to irritate people"?

I laughed so hard that I did not pay attention to what this joker said - probably of no consequence anyway.

 

[Loiner]

11 hours ago, welovesundaysatspace said:

...so that he could then give goods coming from Europe an extension of half year, and ask for a two years extension for Northern Ireland now ???? 

 

Just shows again that he’s catering to people like you, who are so obsessed about slogans and symbols that they don’t see through the results.
 

No. It’s was so that we would officially be free of the EU clutches and their extended membership disguised as a Transition Period. 

Once the contributions have stopped negotiations can continue to resolve these issues. 

Good job he’s catering to Leavers and not those who would pander to the EU. Sorry Fritz but you are so obsessed with trying to claim we should have stayed that you cannot see our result. 

[Loiner]

On 2/7/2021 at 7:09 PM, tebee said:

Oh no they weren't  - exactly none of the new UK computer systems were ready by the time we ended transition.

Simply untrue. DEFRA for one have been rolling out new systems for Brexit even before the official Leave date over a year ago.