Trump's impeachment trial lawyers aim to shift blame; Democrats say he has no defense

[SunnyinBangrak]

26 minutes ago, J Town said:

And you're backing the wrong horse.

Stop watching Fox/Newsmax/OAN, they're NOT your friend.

 

How many times has it been shared on TV that, in a BIPARTISAN committee, Russia DID interfere in the election. Denying the Ukraine quid pro quo can only be done when wearing the Fox/Newsmax/OAN glasses.

 

Stop watching Fox/Newsmax/OAN, they're NOT your friend.

The accusation was that Trump colluded with Russia/Putin to cheat in the 2016 election. Not cool to concoct a false narrative that the left impeached Trump because "Russia interfered". He was impeached because he was falsely accused of colluding.

 

I watch no mainstream tv news channels. I prefer small private media channels on social media. To that end I watch David Pakman, the young Turks, Bongino and Tim Pool. I believe this gives me a reasonable balance, and an opportunity to hear both sides of the arguments. What is with your ordering other posters what news channels they should watch? I have seen it multiple times daily since starting to read this forum. It smacks of intolerance, and is probably very off topic?

 

 

[J Town]

On 4 January the US House Sergeant at Arms Paul Irving explicitly wrote the Capitol and the Capitol Visitor Center "remain closed to all tours, including Member, staff-led and public tours."

 

US Capitol Police banned building tours on day of riot after Democrats raised security concerns - CNNPolitics

 

Yet the day before the terrorist attack, a lawmaker says she witnessed colleagues, who had abetted the former president, lead ‘reconnaissance’ tours of the capitol.

 

Lawmakers Led ‘Reconnaissance’ Tours Of The Capitol Ahead Of Last Week’s Riots, Democratic Congresswoman Alleges (forbes.com)

 

To see if this evidence is presented in the trial remains to be seen, but that the former president said to these terrorists "We love you" should sicken any American.

[J Town]

5 minutes ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

The accusation was that Trump colluded with Russia/Putin to cheat in the 2016 election.

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And this is the BIPARTISAN finding of Russian interference (that means even Republicans agreed it happened):

Report_Volume2.pdf (senate.gov)

[Sujo]

16 minutes ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

The accusation was that Trump colluded with Russia/Putin to cheat in the 2016 election. Not cool to concoct a false narrative that the left impeached Trump because "Russia interfered". He was impeached because he was falsely accused of colluding.

 

I watch no mainstream tv news channels. I prefer small private media channels on social media. To that end I watch David Pakman, the young Turks, Bongino and Tim Pool. I believe this gives me a reasonable balance, and an opportunity to hear both sides of the arguments. What is with your ordering other posters what news channels they should watch? I have seen it multiple times daily since starting to read this forum. It smacks of intolerance, and is probably very off topic?

 

 

Not true at all. Collusion is not a crime, conspiracy is. Mueller considered it didnt reach the threashold of conspiracy because don jnr and friends where too stupid.

 

https://www.vox.com/2019/4/18/18484965/mueller-report-trump-no-collusion

[Kelsall]

1 hour ago, J Town said:

And you're backing the wrong horse.

Stop watching Fox/Newsmax/OAN, they're NOT your friend.

 

How many times has it been shared on TV that, in a BIPARTISAN committee, Russia DID interfere in the election. Denying the Ukraine quid pro quo can only be done when wearing the Fox/Newsmax/OAN glasses.

 

Stop watching Fox/Newsmax/OAN, they're NOT your friend.

Stop watching CNN and Rachel maddow. They are not your friends. 
 

read the mueller report. No American willingly participated in Russian interference and the election results were not affected on the 2016 election. 

[J Town]

1 minute ago, Kelsall said:

Stop watching CNN and Rachel maddow. They are not your friends. 
 

read the mueller report. No American willingly participated in Russian interference and the election results were not affected on the 2016 election. 

I can't stand Rachel Maddow. Read the unredacted Mueller report when it comes out. It's all too obvious what a criminal "individual 1" is. In the meanwhile, read about the criminal (aka "former president"):

 

Mueller Report: Breaking Down the Biggest Myths | Time

[johnnybangkok]

28 minutes ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

The accusation was that Trump colluded with Russia/Putin to cheat in the 2016 election. Not cool to concoct a false narrative that the left impeached Trump because "Russia interfered". He was impeached because he was falsely accused of colluding.

 

I watch no mainstream tv news channels. I prefer small private media channels on social media. To that end I watch David Pakman, the young Turks, Bongino and Tim Pool. I believe this gives me a reasonable balance, and an opportunity to hear both sides of the arguments. What is with your ordering other posters what news channels they should watch? I have seen it multiple times daily since starting to read this forum. It smacks of intolerance, and is probably very off topic?

 

 

Since you are new to this, I hope the moderators will let me go slightly off-topic to explain this to you.

The Meuller Investigation was not about 'Trump colluding with Russia/Putin to cheat in the 2016 election' but rather the links or co-ordination between the Russian government and the Trump CAMPAIGN and covered many topics such as:

 

Financial dealings 
Prosecutors scrutinized the financial dealings of President Trump's associates, including his former campaign chairman's previous consulting work in Ukraine and the business practices of his personal lawyer. This has of course turned out to be spot on, with Manafort beeing charged on eight counts, including tax fraud, bank fraud and failure to declare foreign bank accounts. Cohen also pleaded guilty to 8 federal crimes; five counts of tax evasion, one count of making a false statement to a financial institution, one count of wilfully causing an unlawful corporate contribution from June 2016 to October 2016, and one count of making an excessive campaign contribution on October 27, 2016.

 

Russian interference
Mueller examined how Russia intervened in the 2016 presidential campaign, including through the circulation of fake news and divisive Internet memes and the hacking of Democratic emails. This too was proven correct and confirmed later by a GOP led Senate investigation.   https://www.chicagotribune.com/nation-world/ct-nw-russian-election-interference-senate-report-20200818-apprn474wnbulfhw2gi545fo2a-story.html 

 

There were other things such as campaign co-ordination, transition contacts and obstruction of justice but I think you get the idea. 

 

I'm unfamiliar with the sources you quote but when you get such a simple thing like this so terribly wrong, I think I too would recommend you seek other ways of getting your news. Here's a start for you    https://time.com/5610317/mueller-report-myths-breakdown/ 

[RocketDog]

5 hours ago, thailand49 said:

Sadly, those who believe the election could be overturn and when it couldn't storm the capital now people believe he could be impeach sure you can go on with the process but like the first time you aren't going to be able to put the (ed) after the word. Isn't going to happen!  Of course you and I will get heat for this with those going to reply and paste articles they read!   Let's move on Biden won now all we got to do is wait for 2022 and 2024?

And wait, and wait, and wait until weight and cheeseburgers end the wait. Sooner than later I suspect. 

[RocketDog]

4 hours ago, ExpatOK said:

Trump's fate will be determined by the Senate. Common view now is he will be found not guilty

 

Trump has stated he is not going to start a new party.

 

Please try to keep up.

Keep up with what? He's a Loser. 

I'd rather 'keep up' with the Kardashians. 

The severe pain in my aรร over the last 4 years is finally gone. I'll forget it ever concerned me. 

[rudi49jr]

4 hours ago, spiekerjozef said:

The good old party trick, blame everyone else except yourself.

Blame everyone else except yourself. One of the main traits of the true narcissist. And if ever there was a narcissist (you have done nothing for me!) it’s got to be Trump. 

[Sujo]

43 minutes ago, Kelsall said:

Stop watching CNN and Rachel maddow. They are not your friends. 
 

read the mueller report. No American willingly participated in Russian interference and the election results were not affected on the 2016 election. 

How do you know the results werent affected.

 

You support trump so it affected you.

 

Btw, did you miss don jnr saying he loved it when told russians had intel on hillary and he met with them to get that info?

 

That is willing.

[onthedarkside]

Two off-topic posts on a U.S. news media personality have been removed.

 

Also, the topic here is not about the Mueller report/Russian interference in the 2016 presidential election. Let's try to stay on-topic.

 

The topic is:

 

Trump's impeachment trial lawyers aim to shift blame; Democrats say he has no defense

[thailand49]

3 hours ago, RocketDog said:

And wait, and wait, and wait until weight and cheeseburgers end the wait. Sooner than later I suspect. 

You know what they say " what goes around comes around "????

[Thingamabob]

8 hours ago, klauskunkel said:

Amazingly creative defense strategy: While Trump incites his low-browed followers to fight figuratively, "a small group of criminals" plainly couldn't read between the lines (probably because they can't read) well enough to understand (probably because understanding takes an effort) that their Leader was exhorting them on a metaphorical level to a metaphorical end with metaphorical means... Ghandi he is not (probably because Ghandi didn't play golf)

 

Is the expression 'fighting an election' to be banned, or 'fighting to win a game of football' or, even, 'fighting to survive' ?  We have to be so careful what we say these days. Depressing.

[Sujo]

7 minutes ago, Thingamabob said:

Is the expression 'fighting an election' to be banned, or 'fighting to win a game of football' or, even, 'fighting to survive' ?  We have to be so careful what we say these days. Depressing.

Yeah insurrection is such a bitch when it comes from the president.

[animalmagic]

27 minutes ago, Thingamabob said:

Is the expression 'fighting an election' to be banned, or 'fighting to win a game of football' or, even, 'fighting to survive' ?  We have to be so careful what we say these days. Depressing.

There is no parallel or comparison between the fighting references you quote above and the actual words of 45.  The ones you quote are easily understood metaphors with context included.  However, Trump only exhorted his followers to fight; no context at all.

 “We fight like hell and if you don’t fight like hell, you’re not going to have a country anymore.”

— “We want to go back, and we want to get this right because we’re going to have somebody in there that should not be in there and our country will be destroyed, and we’re not going to stand for that.”

— “Nobody knows what the hell is going on. There’s never been anything like this. We will not let them silence your voices. We’re not going to let it happen. Not going to let it happen.” The crowd repeatedly chanted “Fight for Trump!” “Thank you,” Trump said.

AP FACT CHECK: Trump's call to action distorted in debate (apnews.com)

[klauskunkel]

2 hours ago, Thingamabob said:

Is the expression 'fighting an election' to be banned, or 'fighting to win a game of football' or, even, 'fighting to survive' ?  We have to be so careful what we say these days. Depressing.

Bob, I can see it clearly now, thank you. You are right! 

Donald Trump was speaking in tongues! You should really share this argument with Trump's defense team. They will need it. A lot.

[Captain Monday]

2 hours ago, Thingamabob said:

Is the expression 'fighting an election' to be banned, or 'fighting to win a game of football' or, even, 'fighting to survive' ?  We have to be so careful what we say these days. Depressing.

Why did  Trump, when witnessing violence on live TV not immediately go live and demand his followers stand down, or at least fart out a  tweet? He was in fact cheering them on, overjoyed imho. We need an inquiry to determine exactly what Trump was doing minute for minute during the insurrection similar to the dozens of Benghazi Benghazi Benghazi Benghazi inquiries as a directed against HRC by the vast right-wing conspiracy.

[Captain Monday]

8 hours ago, Kelsall said:

Stop watching CNN and Rachel maddow. They are not your friends. 
 

read the mueller report. No American willingly participated in Russian interference and the election results were not affected on the 2016 election. 

Read the Mueller report. It was specifically NOT determined that the President did NOT commit a crime due to DOJ policy.

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8 hours ago, Kelsall said:

Stop watching CNN and Rachel maddow. They are not your friends. 
 

read the mueller report. No American willingly participated in Russian interference and the election results were not affected on the 2016 election. 

So, you've read the entire Mueller report? Interesting, considering that most of it has been kept from public view? We do know that the Senate report, unconstrained by Trump's Justice Dept henchman, posted a damning report about Paul Manafort and his close and continuing association with known Russian agents. Would be odd, if that evidence escaped the Mueller team's attention. We do know that a judge castigated Barr for misrepresenting the contents of the report.

[FritsSikkink]

13 hours ago, ExpatOK said:

Trump's fate will be determined by the Senate. Common view now is he will be found not guilty

 

Trump has stated he is not going to start a new party.

 

Please try to keep up.

Trump changes his view a couple of times during 1 day, please get informed.

[FritsSikkink]

10 hours ago, ExpatOK said:

You're half right. Yes, President Trump will be found not guilty on all charges. If you look at the facts, there is just no evidence President Trump did anything wrong.

Absolute BS and you know it.

[FritsSikkink]

8 hours ago, Kelsall said:

Stop watching CNN and Rachel maddow. They are not your friends. 
 

read the mueller report. No American willingly participated in Russian interference and the election results were not affected on the 2016 election. 

Read the Muller report? The Republicans blacked out everything that was harmful.

[sirineou]

Wow!! the lawyers of the defendant denied that he was guilty.

   Terrible!! before you know it all lawyers will start doing it. 

[Captain Monday]

4 minutes ago, FritsSikkink said:

Absolute BS and you know it.

3 maybe 4 GOP senators will vote to convict. It is a political kabuki.

 

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Here is the smoking gun evidence to back impeachment of Donald Trump

While the House impeachment managers have focused on events leading up to the Capitol breach, it was the real time response from Donald Trump to the rioters which yields smoking gun evidence of his intent to incite the insurrection. Trump failed to promptly call off his followers or to summon timely assistance for the police, despite pleas from his fellow Republicans caught up in the mayhem. His final words that day connect his incendiary statements about a “stolen election” to the storming of the Capitol.

https://thehill.com/opinion/white-house/537765-here-is-the-smoking-gun-evidence-to-back-impeachment-of-donald-trump

[joecoolfrog]

11 hours ago, ExpatOK said:

You're half right. Yes, President Trump will be found not guilty on all charges. If you look at the facts, there is just no evidence President Trump did anything wrong.

Every single Republican senator who votes to excuse Trump's guilt , does so from political expediency , that is the only fact that is relevant.

They know full well that he is as guilty as hell , the puzzle is why his fan boyz are still in denial.

[joecoolfrog]

43 minutes ago, Captain Monday said:

3 maybe 4 GOP senators will vote to convict. It is a political kabuki.

 

Well probably 5 or 6 but as you say , the result will hinge on political expediency rather than truth 

[watthong]

10 hours ago, Kelsall said:

Stop watching CNN and Rachel maddow. They are not your friends. 
 

 

Yes, I absolutely concur, these people are not my friends, they are enemies of the (American) people, pontificators of fake news, according to my master. Those who love him unconditionally, for instance the Proud Boys, are my true compatriots, cause we are "very special" people along with the Qanon followers, such as Marjorie Greene, who inspite of stalking a teenage school shooting survivor, recently announced publicly that school shootings are not staged, they really happened (if not for certain political purpose), same goes for 9/11 and that dems are idiots - or more like pesky gnats need to be swatted out for obstructing her agenda.

 

And last but not least Cruz, Graham, Hawley, Gosar and the likes are true national heroes who will bring day of reckoning to the American political system. The storming of the Capitol is only a dry run which has proved that the final coming is totally conceivable and well on its way, where Trump would rise up from the sea on a half-shell (hopefully fully clothed) to the disco tune of "Gloria" of course.

[Tie Dye Samurai]

15 hours ago, ExpatOK said:

Trump's fate will be determined by the Senate. Common view now is he will be found not guilty

 

Trump has stated he is not going to start a new party.

 

Please try to keep up.

Trump also said Mexico was going to pay for the wall, he was going to divulge his taxes, he was going to drain the swamp, he was going to lock her up,  the coronavirus was going to magically go away,  he would repeal the Affordable Care Act, backed Valdimir Putin over United States intelligence in front of the whole world at Helsinki, said 20 million Americans would be vaccinated by January 1...

 

In other words Trump is a liar whose word means as much as what is in a dirty diaper...

 

Please try to keep up.