Been away 8 months but holding retirement visa

[smiths]

Hi

 

I have been away since May last year. Im holding retirementvisa expiring in June 2021. Im aware of 14 days quarantine but can you enter on retirement visa now.

I did make re-entry when I left. Im just worried that new regulations have come up due to corona. Thanks in advance. 

 

[fishtank]

Do you have a Visa or an Extension of Stay?

[Salerno]

Yes, just need the rest of the paperwork, certificate of entry, fit to fly, inurance, flight on approved semi-commercial flight, ASQ booking etc.

[BritTim]

From some details in your post, I assume you have an extension (based on retirement) of an initial permission to stay based on a Non O visa. You protected the extended permission to stay using a reentry permit. (Exact details can be important.)

 

You will need a COE (Certificate of Entry). To get this, you need Covid insurance in the amount of $100,000 plus bookings for an ASQ hotel and an approved flight into Thailand. Prior to checking in for the flight, you will need a negative PCR test for Covid-19 (no more than 72 hours old) and a fit-to-fly certificate.

[DrJack54]

10 minutes ago, BritTim said:

From some details in your post, I assume you have an extension (based on retirement) of an initial permission to stay based on a Non O visa. You protected the extended permission to stay using a reentry permit. (Exact details can be important.)

 

You will need a COE (Certificate of Entry). To get this, you need Covid insurance in the amount of $100,000 plus bookings for an ASQ hotel and an approved flight into Thailand. Prior to checking in for the flight, you will need a negative PCR test for Covid-19 (no more than 72 hours old) and a fit-to-fly certificate.

Tim, I wasn't sure if he had what you outlined or was on a non O-A and purchased reentry permit to reenter on the second year.

If the later he would also require the thai company insurance?

[BritTim]

2 minutes ago, DrJack54 said:

Tim, I wasn't sure if he had what you outlined or was on a non O-A and purchased reentry permit to enter on the second year.

If the later he would also require the thai company insurance?

You are, of course, correct. That is why I outlined my assumptions, and warned that "exact details can be important".

[smiths]

Hi

 

Thanks for input. I do appreciate it. My "0" retirement visa was in the first place set to end 03JUN 2021.  When I left end of may 2020 I bought a re-entry. I couldnt inform when I would be back thus they put 03JUN 2021 in the re-entry. This is how I remember it.

Its not a 3 months extension bought because the visa was about to expire. I hope it makes sense.

 

Thanks again.

[ubonjoe]

49 minutes ago, smiths said:

Thanks for input. I do appreciate it. My "0" retirement visa was in the first place set to end 03JUN 2021.

You have a one year extension of stay based upon retirement issued by immigration not a valid visa of any kind. Your non-o visa that you used for entry to the country expired long ago.

Where would you be applying for the certificate of entry (COE) at. Knowing the which embassy or official Thai consulate would help.

You will need health insurance the provides 40k of out patient coverage and 400k baht inpatient coverage valid to the June 3rd to enter the country and covid 19 insurance.

The certificate of entry will applied for online here. https://coethailand.mfa.go.th

[smiths]

Thank you Joe

 

You have been kind answering my questions for some years now:)

 

Its from Denmark. Seems like I need to apply for a touristvisa as I will only stay a couple of months this time.

 

Cheers.

[LALes]

I've been contemplating a trip outside Thailand for the first time since Covid hit, but the costs of quarantine and insurance have me worried.  It looks like $1500-2000 for quarantine and another $2-3,000 for insurance (over 70).  That's a pretty big outlay where there was none before.

[NokYai611]

9 hours ago, ubonjoe said:

You have a one year extension of stay based upon retirement issued by immigration not a valid visa of any kind. Your non-o visa that you used for entry to the country expired long ago.

Where would you be applying for the certificate of entry (COE) at. Knowing the which embassy or official Thai consulate would help.

You will need health insurance the provides 40k of out patient coverage and 400k baht inpatient coverage valid to the June 3rd to enter the country and covid 19 insurance.

The certificate of entry will applied for online here. https://coethailand.mfa.go.th

“....need 40k.....400k AND covid 19 insurance”.  I am confused - if extension is based on Non-Imm O then it seems only the Covid 19 insurance would be required for COE?  Thanks - as I am in a similar situation!

[ubonjoe]

26 minutes ago, NokYai611 said:

“....need 40k.....400k AND covid 19 insurance”.  I am confused - if extension is based on Non-Imm O then it seems only the Covid 19 insurance would be required for COE?  Thanks - as I am in a similar situation!

Embassies require that insurance to get a COE. 

This from a embassy website. Note a O visa is included.

7. For long-stay retirement visa holders (Non-Immigrant O/O-A/O-X) for people over 50 years old

- Copy of health insurance policy which covers medical treatment in Thailand (non-COVID-19 diseases) for outpatient not less than 40,000 Baht and inpatient not less than 400,000 Baht for the whole period of your stay in Thailand

- Copy of health insurance that coversCOVID-19 related medical expenses, both inpatient and outpatient, no less than 100,000 USD for the whole period of your stay in Thailand

[NokYai611]

2 hours ago, LALes said:

I've been contemplating a trip outside Thailand for the first time since Covid hit, but the costs of quarantine and insurance have me worried.  It looks like $1500-2000 for quarantine and another $2-3,000 for insurance (over 70).  That's a pretty big outlay where there was none before.

 

1 hour ago, ubonjoe said:

Embassies require that insurance to get a COE. 

This from a embassy website. Note a O visa is included.

7. For long-stay retirement visa holders (Non-Immigrant O/O-A/O-X) for people over 50 years old

- Copy of health insurance policy which covers medical treatment in Thailand (non-COVID-19 diseases) for outpatient not less than 40,000 Baht and inpatient not less than 400,000 Baht for the whole period of your stay in Thailand

- Copy of health insurance that coversCOVID-19 related medical expenses, both inpatient and outpatient, no less than 100,000 USD for the whole period of your stay in Thailand

Thanks for your response - I changed to O (from O-A) 18 months ago because while I have terrific insurance from USA - I was informed I needed insurance from a Thai company.  I suspect that the 40k/400k insurance requirement would also require Thai company issuance - but don’t really know?  Thanks for any insight.

[ubonjoe]

17 minutes ago, NokYai611 said:

Thanks for your response - I changed to O (from O-A) 18 months ago because while I have terrific insurance from USA - I was informed I needed insurance from a Thai company.  I suspect that the 40k/400k insurance requirement would also require Thai company issuance - but don’t really know?  Thanks for any insight.

To apply for the COE in the states they will accept US insurance. It has about the same insurance requirements for the OA visa application. For foreign insurance a certificate from the company is needed. 

Certifcate is here. https://longstay.tgia.org/document/overseas_insurance_certificate.pdf

Info is here on the embassy website. https://thaiembdc.org/2020/11/17/nonoretirement/

[Peter Denis]

35 minutes ago, NokYai611 said:

Thanks for your response - I changed to O (from O-A) 18 months ago because while I have terrific insurance from USA - I was informed I needed insurance from a Thai company.  I suspect that the 40k/400k insurance requirement would also require Thai company issuance - but don’t really know?  Thanks for any insight.

When applying for the Non Imm O-A Visa in your home-country, you can make use both of Thai and foreign/international insurance to meet the 400K/40K in/out-patient health-insurance requirement.

Foreign/international insurance requires the Foreign Insurance Certificate filled-in/signed by your insurer, Thai IO-approved insurance requires the Thai Insurance Certificate you receive when subscribing to such insurance.

 

When applying for the STV in your home-country, the option of making use of foreign/international insurance is not available. So you would then mandatory have to make use of Thai insurance to meet the 400K/40K in/out-patient health-insurance requirement.

 

When applying for the Non Imm O Visa for reason of retirement (or wanting to return on a Re-Entry Permit protected permission to stay based on an original Non Imm O Visa issued for reason of retirement), the situation is unclear.  Some Thai Embassies (e.g. the US one) allows making use of foreigm/international insurance (just like for a Non Imm O-A Visa application), but several Thai Embassies leave you in the dark whether such foreign insurance would be allowed and others prohibit the use of it. 

>> So it depends on the country where you apply, and if the Thai Embassy information is unclear about the options you would need to enquire whether it is allowed to make use of foreign/international insurance to meet the requirement.

 

Also please note that this whole 400K/40K in/out-patient health-insurance requirement can be quick and easy met by subscribing to the cheapest 'throw-away' Thai IO-approved insurance that meets the requirement > that's the LMG Plan-1 insurance with 200K deductible, which sells for an annual premium of 6.000 to 11.400 THB in the age categories of 51 to 75 years of age, and that insurance does not require a medical to subscribe to it.

[NokYai611]

19 minutes ago, Peter Denis said:

When applying for the Non Imm O-A Visa in your home-country, you can make use both of Thai and foreign/international insurance to meet the 400K/40K in/out-patient health-insurance requirement.

Foreign/international insurance requires the Foreign Insurance Certificate filled-in/signed by your insurer, Thai IO-approved insurance requires the Thai Insurance Certificate you receive when subscribing to such insurance.

 

When applying for the STV in your home-country, the option of making use of foreign/international insurance is not available. So you would then mandatory have to make use of Thai insurance to meet the 400K/40K in/out-patient health-insurance requirement.

 

When applying for the Non Imm O Visa for reason of retirement (or wanting to return on a Re-Entry Permit protected permission to stay based on an original Non Imm O Visa issued for reason of retirement), the situation is unclear.  Some Thai Embassies (e.g. the US one) allows making use of foreigm/international insurance (just like for a Non Imm O-A Visa application), but several Thai Embassies leave you in the dark whether such foreign insurance would be allowed and others prohibit the use of it. 

>> So it depends on the country where you apply, and if the Thai Embassy information is unclear about the options you would need to enquire whether it is allowed to make use of foreign/international insurance to meet the requirement.

 

Also please note that this whole 400K/40K in/out-patient health-insurance requirement can be quick and easy met by subscribing to the cheapest 'throw-away' Thai IO-approved insurance that meets the requirement > that's the LMG Plan-1 insurance with 200K deductible, which sells for an annual premium of 6.000 to 11.400 THB in the age categories of 51 to 75 years of age, and that insurance does not require a medical to subscribe to it.

Wow a big thanks to both Joe and Peter for this helpful information!  I will be attempting to use the embassy in Washington DC.  

[ubonjoe]

13 minutes ago, NokYai611 said:

Wow a big thanks to both Joe and Peter for this helpful information!  I will be attempting to use the embassy in Washington DC.  

 You would have to apply at the designated official consulates for your state that are in New York, Chicago or Los Angeles if not living in the state the embassy is responsible for.

Map (click to enlarge) is at the bottom of this page. https://thaiembdc.org/2020/07/23/faq-for-non-thais-wishing-to-enter-thailand-during-the-covid-19-pandemic/

[Neal Hyman]

1 hour ago, ubonjoe said:

To apply for the COE in the states they will accept US insurance. It has about the same insurance requirements for the OA visa application. For foreign insurance a certificate from the company is needed. 

Certifcate is here. https://longstay.tgia.org/document/overseas_insurance_certificate.pdf

Info is here on the embassy website. https://thaiembdc.org/2020/11/17/nonoretirement/

I entered in August on O from embassy and n DC. Now on extension (retirement). IMO in Chonburi did not require Thai health insurance. My plan is to go home in the spring and return to the Kingdom in the fall using a re-entry permit. I am sure that I will need insurance for the remaining few months of my extension to get a new COE. Not certain about Thailand based insurance 40/400. 

[fceligoj]

From all the discussions on this subject of leaving and returning, the conclusions:

1.  It becomes expensive if one leaves during this pandemic without getting a COVID-19 vaccination prior to departure from Thailand.

2.  Until the requirements are changed for those getting the vaccination either before leaving or before entering, the rules are the same as if no vaccination.

3.  Until the rules are relaxed for those who are vaccinated, it seems that it is just better on staying.

[Peter Denis]

12 hours ago, Neal Hyman said:

I entered in August on O from embassy and n DC. Now on extension (retirement). IMO in Chonburi did not require Thai health insurance. My plan is to go home in the spring and return to the Kingdom in the fall using a re-entry permit. I am sure that I will need insurance for the remaining few months of my extension to get a new COE. Not certain about Thailand based insurance 40/400. 

When applying for or extending a Non Imm O Visa while in Thailand it is NOT required to subscribe to IO-approved 400K/40K in/out-patient health-insurance (that is only required for those applying for a 1-year extension for reason of retirement based on their original Non Imm O-A Visa).

When leaving for US, and wanting to protect the current permission to stay from your Non Imm O Visa based retirement extension, you would indeed need to buy a single-entry Re-Entry Permit (1.000 THB and available at your local IO or in the departure hall of the international airport from where you are leaving).

Currently as part of the CoE requirements returning on that Re-Entry Permit protected permission to stay (based on your Non Imm O Visa retirement extension) would require:

1 - Like everbody else currently entering Thailand > a 100.000 US $ covid-19 treatment insurance that would cover the period of the permission to stay you would receive on re-entering Thailand;

2 - An IO-approved 400K/40K in/out-patient health-insurance policy provided either by a Thai insurer or a foreign/international insurer (foreign insurance is allowed for that purpose by the US Thai Embassy, but it requires a signed and filled-in Foreign Insurance Certificate). 

>> Obviously it is not clear at the moment if those CoE insurance requirements will not have changed by the time you plan to return (spring 2021).  Hopefully that will be the case.

[jimn]

17 hours ago, ubonjoe said:

Embassies require that insurance to get a COE. 

This from a embassy website. Note a O visa is included.

7. For long-stay retirement visa holders (Non-Immigrant O/O-A/O-X) for people over 50 years old

- Copy of health insurance policy which covers medical treatment in Thailand (non-COVID-19 diseases) for outpatient not less than 40,000 Baht and inpatient not less than 400,000 Baht for the whole period of your stay in Thailand

- Copy of health insurance that coversCOVID-19 related medical expenses, both inpatient and outpatient, no less than 100,000 USD for the whole period of your stay in Thailand

The 40,000 Baht out patient and 400,000 Baht for in patient is not required for existing O visa retirement extensions with a re entry permit when obtaining a COE from the UK. I suggest you check the requirements from Denmark before applying for a Tourist Visa.

[ubonjoe]

58 minutes ago, jimn said:

The 40,000 Baht out patient and 400,000 Baht for in patient is not required for existing O visa retirement extensions with a re entry permit when obtaining a COE from the UK. I suggest you check the requirements from Denmark before applying for a Tourist Visa.

Where did you find that info?

On this page it states this. https://london.thaiembassy.org/en/publicservice/requirements-for-foreigners-travelling-to-thailand-during-covid-19-tra?page=5d6636cd15e39c3bd00072dd&menu=5f4b6eb3f6ae4b236972c562

 

"7. For long-stay retirement visa holders (Non-Immigrant O/O-A/O-X) for people over 50 years old

- Copy of health insurance policy which covers medical treatment in Thailand (non-COVID-19 diseases) for outpatient not less than 40,000 Baht and inpatient not less than 400,000 Baht for the whole period of your stay in Thailand

- Copy of health insurance that coversCOVID-19 related medical expenses, both inpatient and outpatient, no less than 100,000 USD for the whole period of your stay in Thailand"

 

 

[LALes]

Can I use USA Medicare to pay for the COE in Los Angeles?

As a current Non-O  (expires in December),

I am assuming I don't need to show the 400/40 insurance, just the Covid insurance.

Is this correct?  I plan on coming back to Thailand before December.

[Peter Denis]

5 minutes ago, LALes said:

Can I use USA Medicare to pay for the COE in Los Angeles?

As a current Non-O  (expires in December),

I am assuming I don't need to show the 400/40 insurance, just the Covid insurance.

Is this correct?  I plan on coming back to Thailand before December.

Not correct > see my post 3 post higher.

[LALes]

Thanks, Peter.  Do you have a link to Thai insurers for people over 70?

This is looking like an outlay of about $5K just to go out and come back.

[ubonjoe]

15 minutes ago, LALes said:

Can I use USA Medicare to pay for the COE in Los Angeles?

As a current Non-O  (expires in December),

I am assuming I don't need to show the 400/40 insurance, just the Covid insurance.

Is this correct?  I plan on coming back to Thailand before December.

I am sure that Medicare would not pay for the COE and it would not be valid outside the US.

It depends upon what your non-o visa is based upon. If retirement it will be needed.

[LALes]

Yes, I am Non-O retirement.  It is looking like I will need to buy

COE, Covid insurance, 400/40 insurance and quarantine.

That's quite an expenditure just to travel.

[Peter Denis]

13 minutes ago, LALes said:

Yes, I am Non-O retirement.  It is looking like I will need to buy

COE, Covid insurance, 400/40 insurance and quarantine.

That's quite an expenditure just to travel.

It's correct that you will need both the 100.000 US $ covid-19 treatment insurance, as well as the 400K/40K health-insurance policy.

But it is easy to meet both insurance requirements, and it is not expensive (if you know how).

Being over 70 years of age limits your options and will make it slightly more expensive, but still reasonable.

 

1 - To meet the 100.000 US $ covid-19 you could make use of the TGIA covid-19 only insurance < https://covid19.tgia.org/ >.  The cost would be limited as you ONLY need it for the period of the  permission to stay you would receive on entering Thailand, which in your case would be limited to the remaining days on your Re-Entry Permit protected 1-year retirement extension of stay based on your original Non Imm O Visa.

2 - To meet the 400K/40K in/out-patient health-insurance requirement, you can subscribe when under 76 years of age to the cheapest 'throw-away' Thai IO-approved insurance that meets the requirement > that's the LMG Plan-1 insurance with 200K deductible, which sells for an annual premium of 6.000 to 11.400 THB in the age categories of 51 to 75 years of age, and that insurance does not require a medical to subscribe to it.

[Neal Hyman]

5 hours ago, Peter Denis said:

When applying for or extending a Non Imm O Visa while in Thailand it is NOT required to subscribe to IO-approved 400K/40K in/out-patient health-insurance (that is only required for those applying for a 1-year extension for reason of retirement based on their original Non Imm O-A Visa).

When leaving for US, and wanting to protect the current permission to stay from your Non Imm O Visa based retirement extension, you would indeed need to buy a single-entry Re-Entry Permit (1.000 THB and available at your local IO or in the departure hall of the international airport from where you are leaving).

Currently as part of the CoE requirements returning on that Re-Entry Permit protected permission to stay (based on your Non Imm O Visa retirement extension) would require:

1 - Like everbody else currently entering Thailand > a 100.000 US $ covid-19 treatment insurance that would cover the period of the permission to stay you would receive on re-entering Thailand;

2 - An IO-approved 400K/40K in/out-patient health-insurance policy provided either by a Thai insurer or a foreign/international insurer (foreign insurance is allowed for that purpose by the US Thai Embassy, but it requires a signed and filled-in Foreign Insurance Certificate). 

>> Obviously it is not clear at the moment if those CoE insurance requirements will not have changed by the time you plan to return (spring 2021).  Hopefully that will be the case.

Thanks ???? 

[LALes]

In addition to the insurances and quarantine, I need a Fit To Fly and Medical Certificate done on the other end.

Would Medicare take care of this?  How much is it?