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[polpott]

1 minute ago, Xaos said:

Whole science around covid was reinvented. It always used to be u vaccinated u not get sick so u don't spread it. Now it's u vaccinated u still can get sick and spread it lol.  

 

Not according to the latest scientific feedback.

[madmen]

4 minutes ago, RR2020 said:

There remains ZERO confirmation that vaccination stops the spread.  It prevents the person from getting serious disease, but there is no confirmed proof it stops that person from passing the virus on to someone else.

 

So Thailand is going to open and lets lots of vaccinated virus carriers in with no quarantine to mingle freely with unvaccinated Thai people ????????

 

That would be absurd.   Vaccination does not stop spread it only stops the person getting seriously ill.  

 

The great unknown: do Covid vaccines stop you spreading the virus? | Australia news | The Guardian

 

So those trying to say vaccinated people should be allowed to travel freely are just plain mad.  The vaccine was developed to stop serious disease and death.........it was never designed to stop the spread.  

 

The world still has TB, still has Measles, still has many diseases for which there is a vaccine.   The vaccine DOES NOT STOP the disease spreading, it stops the disease from having serious effects on the person vaccinated.

 

 

 

They ar going to trial it with GPS tracking. If it blows up they go into a long lock down. They have no choice, missing this high season is not an option 

[RR2020]

1 minute ago, Xaos said:

Whole science around covid was reinvented. It always used to be u vaccinated u not get sick so u don't spread it. Now it's u vaccinated u still can get sick and spread it lol.  

 

 

It was never claimed vaccinated do not spread the disease.........that was a incorrect assumption of many on how vaccines work.

 

Take a read......

 

Why Mumps And Measles Can Spread Even When We're Vaccinated : Shots - Health News : NPR

 

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[actonion]

On 2/25/2021 at 8:44 AM, mtls2005 said:

I'm sure all the Thai people will be thrilled that, while they remain unvaccinated, that foreigners who are vaccinated are welcomed into the Kingdom.

 

 

But its the Thai people who are saying its the Farang thats dirty, not them 

[UncleMhee]

25 minutes ago, Xaos said:

This is a database for Adverse Drug Reactions (ADRs), all data is sourced from VigiBase, the WHO’s global database:
http://vigiaccess.org/
Search “Comirnaty” -the trade name for the Pfizer Covid vaccine-on this site.

So, according to your source almost every disease known to man is now linked to the Pfizer Covid vaccine through an ADR. I'm in no way denying the possibility of ADR's, though the way it's being presented here is ludicrous in the extreme......

 

http://vigiaccess.org/

Edited March 2, 2021 by UncleMhee

[Xaos]

2 minutes ago, UncleMhee said:

So, according to your source almost every disease known to man is now linked to the Pfizer Covid vaccine through an ADR. I'm in no way denying the possibility of ADR's though the way it's being presented here is ludicrous in the extreme......

 

http://vigiaccess.org/

 

It's reported complications related to jab. What person experienced.

 

Edited March 2, 2021 by Xaos

[RR2020]

2 minutes ago, madmen said:

They ar going to trial it with GPS tracking. If it blows up they go into a long lock down. They have no choice, missing this high season is not an option 

 

GPS tracking does NOT work.

 

I have, being a very naughty person, got around this in places (not in Thailand of course)

 

Quite simply.

 

Have 2 mobile phones...........2 sim cards.

 

Register the Tracking App on the spare mobile with a Sim card you do not intend to use and leave it in your room/house/apartment.

 

Then use your other normal phone and normal sim card to go out and about.

 

Great for when you are forced to do self-isolation in certain countries- all of their tracking relies solely on the mobile network signal, and when you leave that "tracked" phone at home.......they dont know you are out and about..........

 

 

 

[polpott]

2 minutes ago, RR2020 said:

 

It was never claimed vaccinated do not spread the disease.........that was a incorrect assumption of many on how vaccines work.

 

Take a read......

 

Why Mumps And Measles Can Spread Even When We're Vaccinated : Shots - Health News : NPR

 

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From your link:

 

"Measles is a terrific vaccine. If you get two doses, it's predicted to protect 99.99 percent of people for life.

That case in New York was so unusual that it's come to everyone's attention. On rare occasions, the virus trumps an individual's protection."

 

"If you want to eliminate the infection entirely from a community, a very high proportion of people have to be immunized.

AROUND THE NATION

Extra Vaccination Push Underway In Ohio As Mumps Outbreak Spreads

If children are left unvaccinated, measles will find them and make them sick. It's one of the most contagious diseases we have."

 

A high uptake of the vaccine is the only solution to Covid.

[mtls2005]

7 minutes ago, Xaos said:

And list goes on.

 

Meh.

 

When people say this, it means they ran out of crazy to demosntrate a feeble point.

[RR2020]

Just now, polpott said:

From your link:

 

"Measles is a terrific vaccine. If you get two doses, it's predicted to protect 99.99 percent of people for life.

That case in New York was so unusual that it's come to everyone's attention. On rare occasions, the virus trumps an individual's protection."

 

"If you want to eliminate the infection entirely from a community, a very high proportion of people have to be immunized.

AROUND THE NATION

Extra Vaccination Push Underway In Ohio As Mumps Outbreak Spreads

If children are left unvaccinated, measles will find them and make them sick. It's one of the most contagious diseases we have."

 

A high uptake of the vaccine is the only solution to Covid.

 

Which is why they are trying to force everyone to have the vaccine by trying to deny your basic right to travel, to meet friends and family, to not wear a mask etc....

 

Covid kills sick people, it kills obese people, it kills old people............they are all high risk of dying anyway.  Covid does not kill young and healthy people in any number - and of those supposedly young and healthy people who do die there is no autopsy to find if there was any underlying disease.  They dont want to know.........thats all part of the "story" that "everyone is at risk".

 

How many "healthy" young people have died of Covid in Thailand ?  How many healthy young people have had Covid and its nothing more than the flu or a cold or in fact, nothing, for them ?

 

 

 

 

[polpott]

1 minute ago, RR2020 said:

 

Which is why they are trying to force everyone to have the vaccine by trying to deny your basic right to travel, to meet friends and family, to not wear a mask etc....

 

Covid kills sick people, it kills obese people, it kills old people............they are all high risk of dying anyway.  Covid does not kill young and healthy people in any number - and of those supposedly young and healthy people who do die there is no autopsy to find if there was any underlying disease.  They dont want to know.........thats all part of the "story" that "everyone is at risk".

 

How many "healthy" young people have died of Covid in Thailand ?  How many healthy young people have had Covid and its nothing more than the flu or a cold or in fact, nothing, for them ?

 

 

 

 

So its OK for the young to kill the old due to their lack of social responsibility? In your world maybe, not in mine.

[Seik]

Just now, polpott said:

So its OK for the young to kill the old due to their lack of social responsibility? In your world maybe, not in mine.

The old should protect themselves while the rest of the world go on about their life.

[RR2020]

Just now, polpott said:

So its OK for the young to kill the old due to their lack of social responsibility? In your world maybe, not in mine.

 

I think you are mistaken.  A virus (of which there are so many in circulation) is the killer.  If you dont want to catch it,...........then stay home, never go out.......you will be fine.

 

Why do the young have to be locked up to protect the old ?  The old, if they want protection, should protect themselves and stay away from danger.

 

Do we block access to the sea to everyone to stop people who cannot swim from drowning ?  Or do we advise them not to go near the water if they cannot swim ?

 

 

[polpott]

1 minute ago, Seik said:

The old should protect themselves while the rest of the world go on about their life.

Yep, "Screw the old, I'm not one of them", very millennial.

[RR2020]

And here is the reason vaccine passports will not work.

 

Covid vaccines cut risk of serious illness by 80% in over-80s - BBC News

 

 

The vaccine cuts the risk of serious disease...............IT DOES NOT STOP YOU CARRYING AND SPREADING THE VIRUS.

 

So if any country says vaccinated people can enter with no quarantine they are in effect condemning their own people to get the virus from vaccinated tourists...............

[Xaos]

Just now, RR2020 said:

And here is the reason vaccine passports will not work.

 

Covid vaccines cut risk of serious illness by 80% in over-80s - BBC News

 

 

The vaccine cuts the risk of serious disease...............IT DOES NOT STOP YOU CARRYING AND SPREADING THE VIRUS.

 

So if any country says vaccinated people can enter with no quarantine they are in effect condemning their own people to get the virus from vaccinated tourists...............

 

It's on BBC must be truth. 

There's no data at all

This is worldwide trial. An experiment never done before.

So far there's data olds dying from jabs and many injured as per their own database above.

 

[polpott]

3 minutes ago, RR2020 said:

And here is the reason vaccine passports will not work.

 

Covid vaccines cut risk of serious illness by 80% in over-80s - BBC News

 

 

The vaccine cuts the risk of serious disease...............IT DOES NOT STOP YOU CARRYING AND SPREADING THE VIRUS.

 

So if any country says vaccinated people can enter with no quarantine they are in effect condemning their own people to get the virus from vaccinated tourists...............

Suggest that you read the article. Nowhere in the article does it say, "IT DOES NOT STOP YOU CARRYING AND SPREADING THE VIRUS." Purely your own fabrication.

[polpott]

6 minutes ago, Xaos said:

 

It's on BBC must be truth. 

There's no data at all

This is worldwide trial. An experiment never done before.

So far there's data olds dying from jabs and many injured as per their own database above.

 

Early results are suggesting that its very effective at preventing transmission.

[RR2020]

Just now, polpott said:

Early results are suggesting that its very effective at preventing transmission.

 

No it does not.

 

Last year as Spring came and into Summer the virus died down...............very normal............people getting sunshine and Vitamin D.........lots of UV rays..............virus died off last summer -  WITH NO VACCINES.

 

Any data at the moment is due to LOCKDOWN in effect..............

 

There is absolutely NO DATA to suggest vaccination prevents or reduces transmission.  That will not be known until perhaps 2022 or 2023.

 

 

[UncleMhee]

8 minutes ago, Xaos said:

So far there's data olds dying from jabs and many injured as per their own database above.

Alledgedly injured from the Pfizer Covid vaccine..... Type "Aspirin" into the search function and see similar results. 

[mtls2005]

3 minutes ago, polpott said:

Early results are suggesting that its very effective at preventing transmission.

 

"Early results"?

 

Is this code for something?

 

"Very effective" means what, exactly?

 

And how long does this "effect" last?

 

 

 

 

[Xaos]

4 minutes ago, polpott said:

Early results are suggesting that its very effective at preventing transmission.

Show me data not bbc quotes

[Xaos]

It's that effective that dr Gates were saying u might need third dose. It will end up they will inject u periodically. Screenshoot this.

[polpott]

4 minutes ago, RR2020 said:

 

No it does not.

 

Last year as Spring came and into Summer the virus died down...............very normal............people getting sunshine and Vitamin D.........lots of UV rays..............virus died off last summer -  WITH NO VACCINES.

 

Any data at the moment is due to LOCKDOWN in effect..............

 

There is absolutely NO DATA to suggest vaccination prevents or reduces transmission.  That will not be known until perhaps 2022 or 2023.

 

 

https://www.wired.com/story/we-still-dont-know-how-well-covid-vaccines-stop-transmission/

 

"a leaked manuscript first reported by Israeli news site Ynet before being covered by MIT Technology Review, Bloomberg, The Financial Times, and Vox, found that two doses of Pfizer-BioNTech’s shot drove an 89.4 percent drop in infections—both symptomatic and asymptomatic—among vaccinated people in Israel."

 

"The second report, a preprint posted on The Lancet Monday, blew that glimmer of good news into a bigger flame. It described a Public Health England study of health care workers in the United Kingdom who’d received the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine, and who were tested every 14 days for Covid-19. The study found that in addition to making people less likely to get sick from the coronavirus—no surprise there—the vaccine sliced the risk of the recipient getting infected, period. By how much? Vaccinated health care workers were 72 percent less likely at 21 days after the first dose, and 86 percent 7 days after the second dose."

 

 

[Xaos]

7 minutes ago, UncleMhee said:

Alledgedly injured from the Pfizer Covid vaccine..... Type "Aspirin" into the search function and see similar results. 

Ok I give u that. 

But this

https://www.nydailynews.com/coronavirus/ny-covid-allergic-reaction-vaccine-expected-20201224-tqjifrcpx5bevnq7cqvfeotpye-story.html

 

[RR2020]

18 minutes ago, polpott said:

https://www.wired.com/story/we-still-dont-know-how-well-covid-vaccines-stop-transmission/

 

"a leaked manuscript first reported by Israeli news site Ynet before being covered by MIT Technology Review, Bloomberg, The Financial Times, and Vox, found that two doses of Pfizer-BioNTech’s shot drove an 89.4 percent drop in infections—both symptomatic and asymptomatic—among vaccinated people in Israel."

 

"The second report, a preprint posted on The Lancet Monday, blew that glimmer of good news into a bigger flame. It described a Public Health England study of health care workers in the United Kingdom who’d received the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine, and who were tested every 14 days for Covid-19. The study found that in addition to making people less likely to get sick from the coronavirus—no surprise there—the vaccine sliced the risk of the recipient getting infected, period. By how much? Vaccinated health care workers were 72 percent less likely at 21 days after the first dose, and 86 percent 7 days after the second dose."

 

 

 

Yes.......your article clearly confirms.......

 

Vaccinated people can get and carry and spread the virus.

 

When they say 100% cannot carry and spread the virus, then ok.

 

Until then..........ANY VACCINATED person MAY BE CARRYING IT AND SPREADING IT.

 

 

Which is why............vaccine passports will not work.

 

[polpott]

5 minutes ago, RR2020 said:

 

Yes.......your article clearly confirms.......

 

Vaccinated people can get and carry and spread the virus.

 

When they say 100% cannot carry and spread the virus, then ok.

 

Until then..........ANY VACCINATED person MAY BE CARRYING IT AND SPREADING IT.

 

 

Which is why............vaccine passports will not work.

 

It also confirms that it is very effective at preventing transmission. Near 90% which is high for any vaccine. High enough to provide "herd immunity" with a successful mass vaccination program.

[Xaos]

1 hour ago, polpott said:

It also confirms that it is very effective at preventing transmission. Near 90% which is high for any vaccine. High enough to provide "herd immunity" with a successful mass vaccination program.

Do you know that WHO changed definition of herd immunity?

 

Do you even know herd immunity definition before covid and after? 

 

 

[TheFreqFlyer]

On 2/25/2021 at 8:39 AM, Patong2021 said:

CDC DOES NOT SAY THIS.

You have misrepresented the CDC position. Thailand position is consistent with the rest of the world. You criticize Thailand for being smart and responsible.

 

I went to CDC website and  looked at what  they say, and what you post is false information.

CDC still has mandatory quarantine for foreign travel arrivals and  there are still prohibited countries.

CDC statement is completely different and does not apply to traveler quarantine.

Fully vaccinated persons who meet criteria will no longer be required to quarantine following an exposure to someone with COVID-19.  At this time, vaccinated persons should continue to follow current guidance to protect themselves and others, including wearing a mask, staying at least 6 feet away from others, avoiding crowds, avoiding poorly ventilated spaces, covering coughs and sneezes, washing hands often, following CDC travel guidance, and following any applicable workplace or school guidance, including guidance related to personal protective equipment use or SARS-CoV-2 testing.  However, vaccinated persons with an exposure to someone with suspected or confirmed COVID-19 are not required to quarantine if they meet all of the following criteria^†:

- Are fully vaccinated (i.e., ≥2 weeks following receipt of the second dose in a 2-dose series, or ≥2 weeks following receipt of one dose of a single-dose vaccine)

- Are within 3 months following receipt of the last dose in the series

- Have remained asymptomatic since the current COVID-19 exposure

Persons who do not meet all 3 of the above criteria should continue to follow current quarantine guidance after exposure to someone with suspected or confirmed COVID-19.

 

Ok, so now that I have shown that you have posted false information, what is your response? 

 

No one is coming for an unnecessary vacation if they have to be vaccinated but then STILL have to wear masks and use tracking apps. What for? That's not a holiday, that's like an open air prison camp. Might as well stay home. It's not like it's mandatory to visit Thailand! 

[RR2020]

2 hours ago, polpott said:

It also confirms that it is very effective at preventing transmission. Near 90% which is high for any vaccine. High enough to provide "herd immunity" with a successful mass vaccination program.

 

 

So now your saying its fine if vaccinated people with Covid come in with no quarantine and infect millions of Thais with Covid ??????

 

Even a 0.000001% chance of a vaccinated foreigner infecting a Thai who then is a super spreader.................. is too high.

 

 

NO NO NO.

 

There should be no vaccine passport at all............vaccinated or not must be treated the same.