1 hour ago, Isaan sailor said:

Might be a good time to bring in that Pfizer vaccine?  Not sure the SinoVac is up to it.

 

It is always a good time, but bring it from where? The only option at the moment is to leave Thailand in order to get it.

2 hours ago, jacko45k said:

So half were not vaccinated....and that half had most of the infections.

It does not go into detail as to whether the vaccinated ones where fully vaccinated,   nor when, nor which vaccine. My statement was relating to AZ and Pfizer. A bit surprised the measures being employed for passengers arriving from India are so loose. 

Actually those details were reported but I'm lazy to go track back but in general, Singapore only administer Pfizer in the begining then moderna came in late March. Most Front liners especially airport workers should have been fully vaccinated by February or March. I'm fully vaccinated in april as part of the general population vaccination schedule so front liners should have been inoculated way before me. As for whether measures being loose, those people interacting with passengers were already in full PPE so I'm not sure how much tighter it can be. 

On 5/21/2021 at 7:34 AM, ImageDude said:

 

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On 5/21/2021 at 2:27 PM, Sheryl said:

While it is true that the "Indian variant" is more infectious than the original viral strain it is not clear how much more infectious it is (if at all) than the so-called "UK strain" already prevalent here. Also not yet  clear if it is any more lethal.

Since the Indian variant is taking over from the UK variant rapidly in Bolton near Manchester, it's likely that it will take over in the rest of the UK unless serious lockdown measures are taken. There is little chance that there would be enough of a lockdown in Thailand to stop the Indian variant.

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On 5/21/2021 at 3:43 PM, ThailandRyan said:

Yet the Sinovac vaccine is not one of those authorized as of yet and not approved by the WHO, only China has approved its use, and the WHO has only approved the Sinopharm vaccine not CoronaVac as of now.

 

"the World Health Organization's Europe director warned on Thursday (May 20), but stressed that authorised vaccines do work against variants of concern."

Sinopharm is the government vaccine, so could that be a reason that WHO approved it?

17 minutes ago, placnx said:

Sinopharm is the government vaccine, so could that be a reason that WHO approved it?

 

It was approved because the panel of independent experts who reviewed the evidence found sufficient proof of efficacy and safety.

 

That same panel was satisfied with regard to the evidence for Sinovac in people under 60 but found insufficient data on its use in people over 60 and people with chronic illnesses. WHO has neither issued approval of Sinovac nor announced it is not approved i.e. the door is still open. They may be awaiting more data, rather than having to approve it only for younger ages.

47 minutes ago, placnx said:

Since the Indian variant is taking over from the UK variant rapidly in Bolton near Manchester, it's likely that it will take over in the rest of the UK unless serious lockdown measures are taken. There is little chance that there would be enough of a lockdown in Thailand to stop the Indian variant.

 

The race is still on here, if they can vaccinate the whole population before it erupts again then there won't be an issue.

 

The western vaccines all work against all known variants, the efficacy is slightly altered but not by much according to the research that I've read.

 

 

 

 

9 hours ago, lks7689 said:

14 days quarantine may not be enough. It's a fact some only test positive after 14 days. That's the reason some countries have extended to 21 days or even 28. 

Most people get infected, develop a mild illness and recover inside a week.

23 hours ago, Petey11 said:

Cases of the 'Indian variant' in the UK seem to doubling every 4-5 days. Surge testing and enhanced vaccination been done, good news is it seems to be held back by the vaccines as a lot of cases are in the 18-35 year old cohort, the unvaccinated ones. Still a variant if concern though and seems to be out competing the UK variant. Hopefully the Thai authorities will bear down on it quickly.

The testing which they are doing in Bolton should show whether AZ is up to task as some there have had that jab, no doubt.

They only just found it?

Tomorrow they will probably find the first stray cat in Thailand, next week the first soi dog in Thailand, and the following week the chief medical officer will find his first pube.

On 5/21/2021 at 7:41 AM, Surelynot said:

Indian variant arrives in Thailand..............okay, UK here we come.....had enough of this.....oh wait......???

Likely there before the UK as with the virus in general. Of course you wouldn’t know that due to apathy and incompetence, face blah blah.  

They can now add the South African B.1.351 variant.

 

https://twitter.com/BBCBreaking/status/1396077756715356162

They can now add the South African B.1.351 variant.

 

 

 

 

They can now add the South African B.1.351 variant.

 

https://twitter.com/ThaiNewsReports/status/1396080700349059082

 

 

 

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On 5/21/2021 at 7:06 PM, brewsterbudgen said:

Sorry, but I call you a "doomsday sayer".  I'm not a Covid-denier, but vaccinations are the solution not locking-down which causes more long-term damage.

Vaccinations could save, but they will be too late for the Indian variant.

1 hour ago, placnx said:

The testing which they are doing in Bolton should show whether AZ is up to task as some there have had that jab, no doubt.

Coronavirus latest news: Two doses of AstraZeneca vaccine provide over 80 per cent protection against Indian variant, PHE study finds

Two doses from either the AstraZeneca or the Pfizer Covid-19 vaccine are over 80 per cent effective in preventing infection from the Indian variant, a new Government study has found. 

Coronavirus latest news: Two doses of AstraZeneca vaccine provide over 80 per cent protection against Indian variant, PHE study finds (telegraph.co.uk)

21 hours ago, ukrules said:

 

Yes, that's what I read too, if you breathe it in then you will become infected but that's not really the issue here.

 

Being vaccinated reduces it to either an asymptomatic case or a 'mild cold like' illness.

 

But you will still test positive on a PCR test regardless of how mild it is.

With Pfizer & Moderna, chances are better that you will not be infected, due to more powerful neutralizing antibodies.

11 hours ago, lks7689 said:

Singapore using Pfizer and moderna but still people get infected by the B1617 variant. When they say effective it mean reduce but not 100% prevent. The 1 breakthrough infection was enough to spread to 100 in a matter of two weeks in Singapore. 

If that's true, it's already time for a booster, or better update their vaccines pronto!

10 hours ago, pizzachang said:

Doesn't this simply mean that a 'expected mutation' occurred? The virus is never "going away" - like any other corona virus. isolation is only a delay and a vaccine (that really isn't a vaccine) likely carries a higher risk than immunity (even partial) acquired from recovering. Until a long-term proof is available from inoculated humans, this seems the most logical way to think about this. Testing to see if you already have antibodies, also seems like a rational, pre-vaccination procedure. IMO

This erroneous thinking has been denounced in the Lancet since last October. Waiting for herd immunity from infection is a non-starter, will lead to reinfection with more variants than we already have, many more deaths. A totally unethical proposition.

30 minutes ago, placnx said:

With Pfizer & Moderna, chances are better that you will not be infected, due to more powerful neutralizing antibodies.

Interesting, I'd like to lean more about antibody power levels, have you got any links?

2 hours ago, Sheryl said:

 

It was approved because the panel of independent experts who reviewed the evidence found sufficient proof of efficacy and safety.

 

That same panel was satisfied with regard to the evidence for Sinovac in people under 60 but found insufficient data on its use in people over 60 and people with chronic illnesses. WHO has neither issued approval of Sinovac nor announced it is not approved i.e. the door is still open. They may be awaiting more data, rather than having to approve it only for younger ages.

Are you aware that a third jab of Sinopharm is being offered in UAE & Bahrain?

https://www.scmp.com/news/china/science/article/3134084/immunity-induced-sinopharm-jab-questioned-after-uae-offers

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2021/05/19/uae-sinopharm-third-dose-booster/

5 minutes ago, ukrules said:

Interesting, I'd like to lean more about antibody power levels, have you got any links?

Perhaps needs a rephrase: higher level of neutralizing antibodies. OK?

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8 hours ago, RR2020 said:

Vaccination does not stop spread.

 

Airport workers in Singapore vaccinated..........but around half of the Changi cluster were "Fully Vaccinated"........but still got and spread Covid. 

 

Singapore's largest active Covid-19 cluster: What went wrong at Changi Airport?, Health News & Top Stories - The Straits Times

 

Vaccine Passports........................ Hahahahahahahaha.............laod of nonsense.  

 

The article did not state that the airport workers were vaccinated.

17 hours ago, lks7689 said:

Singapore using Pfizer and moderna but still people get infected by the B1617 variant. When they say effective it mean reduce but not 100% prevent. The 1 breakthrough infection was enough to spread to 100 in a matter of two weeks in Singapore. 

It’s not clear the 100 were vaccinated.

mark my words. Thailand will be the new India.

21 hours ago, Millcx said:

It’s the plane with all the rich Indians TAT has had flying about for past 18 months .. They brought it in .. Must have been “;0)

it is the Same reason that the UK is worried the 3 plane loads arriving every day with no covid-19 checks   

3 hours ago, Danderman123 said:

It’s not clear the 100 were vaccinated.

THE good news PFIZER can now be stored in a fridge for 31 day;s after thawing just announced and approved  this will now be a big help in the vaccine process all around the World

12 hours ago, RR2020 said:

Vaccination does not stop spread.

 

Airport workers in Singapore vaccinated..........but around half of the Changi cluster were "Fully Vaccinated"........but still got and spread Covid. 

 

Singapore's largest active Covid-19 cluster: What went wrong at Changi Airport?, Health News & Top Stories - The Straits Times

 

Vaccine Passports........................ Hahahahahahahaha.............laod of nonsense.  

 

Vaccination does stop you from dying or ending up in the ICU with a tube jammed down your throat.  Hardly a load of nonsense.

3 hours ago, Danderman123 said:

The article did not state that the airport workers were vaccinated.

The airport worker was fully vaccinated.  As we all should know by now, just because your vaccinated doesn't mean you can't get the virus and pass it along.  One reason to keep wearing masks, especially around unvaccinated people.