Spread of Delta Variant in Thailand Aggravates COVID-19 Situation

[Albert Zweistein]

9 hours ago, bkk6060 said:

They still have not placed the order?  Unbelievable.

An other day, an other dollar. 20 million Moderna, 20 million Pfizer, who is telling the truth ? No one.

[GrandPapillon]

9 hours ago, bkk6060 said:

They still have not placed the order?  Unbelievable.

don't think they could get delivered even if they wanted to, Europe and USA is first

 

you guys will have to wait for December when we are fully vaccinated,

[cyril sneer]

11 hours ago, Surelynot said:

With 50% of the UK double vaccinated new cases rose by 75% last week........what the hell is going to happen here?

It’ll mutate stronger and more lethal to fight the vaccine 

 

those that are vaccinated should be okay, but the next variant will carry a higher death rate to those not vaccinated

[Ralf001]

Isn't the AZ one made here ?

[daveAustin]

11 hours ago, JamesH said:

Real world data from Public Health England,  demonstrated two doses of COVID-19 Vaccine AstraZeneca are 92% effective against hospitalisation due to the Delta variant and showed no deaths among those vaccinated.

You've got more chance of winning the lottery than getting trollish numpties spinning spurious tat on the internet to accept reality. Just pass them by and pay them no mind. Waste of space. Good chance someone they know was saved by it.

 

11 hours ago, Surelynot said:

With 50% of the UK double vaccinated new cases rose by 75% last week........what the hell is going to happen here?

Jeez, are we still talking about this! Being vaccinated does not stop the transmission of COVID-19. It just means while it spreads, fewer get hurt. UK almost fully vaccinated, so time to accept it, open up and move on, so be it. We're all gonna die, right. The flu is spreading and changing all the time and killing people left, right and centre yet noone gives a monkeys. Nowt as queer as folk eh!

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4 hours ago, GrandPapillon said:

don't think they could get delivered even if they wanted to, Europe and USA is first

 

you guys will have to wait for December when we are fully vaccinated,

There are other vaccines that will soon be on offer.

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1 hour ago, daveAustin said:

Jeez, are we still talking about this! Being vaccinated does not stop the transmission of COVID-19. It just means while it spreads, fewer get hurt. UK almost fully vaccinated, so time to accept it, open up and move on, so be it. We're all gonna die, right. The flu is spreading and changing all the time and killing people left, right and centre yet noone gives a monkeys. Nowt as queer as folk eh!

If by stopping it, you mean 100% effectiveness. that's correct. But it's a fact that vaccines stop many from getting infected in the first place. So they won't be transmitting the disease. The effectiveness at stopping infection varies by the vaccine with the mRNA vaccines being the best at it.

[bluemoon58]

14 hours ago, snoop1130 said:

are to reduce mobility

What a joke!

[Surelynot]

2 hours ago, daveAustin said:

UK almost fully vaccinated

Do you not understand %'s and big numbers?

[TheFishman1]

I can’t understand why it would take over a year to get the good vaccine amazing Thailand TIT

[rickthompson]

14 hours ago, riclag said:

Ah yes ,the sinovaccians will surely being looking over their shoulders , with a false sense of security ,so to speak because of the spread of the variant  and its poor performance that's been repeatedly reported

I know I would !

We have a friend who is a big supporter of the government's procurement of Sinovac... she has had 2 shots of Sinovac already, but recently, she is looking to see if she can get a booster...  of Sinovac...  looking over their shoulders is right on.

[Surasak]

"He said the main measures, which can help contain the outbreak, are to reduce mobility, reduce travel and reduce the risk of getting infected in workplaces. Other measures include not eating at food outlets".

 

Such great insight and forethought of this man, its astounding!

When does the cherry get put on the cake and mass vaccination begin?

[hotchilli]

15 hours ago, snoop1130 said:

He said the main measures, which can help contain the outbreak, are to reduce mobility, reduce travel and reduce the risk of getting infected in workplaces. Other measures include not eating at food outlets.

Does he have a plan B ?

[hotchilli]

15 hours ago, Thailand said:

Fortunately it is not in Phuket.

Yet.

[hotchilli]

14 hours ago, connda said:

Bob's Your Uncle!

This is Thailand, "Guitar's" my uncle 

[Kaopad999]

15 hours ago, Surelynot said:

With 50% of the UK double vaccinated new cases rose by 75% last week........what the hell is going to happen here?

 

Having said that.....what is going to happen now in the UK with Bungling Bunter about to lift almost all restrictions.

 

It is creeping closer.....just received a notice from Juristic.......building to be sanitized......infected person awaiting collection and removal to hospital....third one in a week

well, we're going to have to learn to live with it by the looks of things. It's obvious now that vaccines  alone are not going to completely prevent it from spreading like we were first made to believe. What are we all going to do, hide under a rock for the rest of our lives?  I don't think that is at all healthy or feasible. 
Life must go on... 

[Surasak]

There is very little a thief can steal after their hands are cut off. However, the second hand industry is thriving in the L.O.S.

[fdbob]

16 hours ago, internationalism said:

don't blame delta, it was in thailand already before songran, with migration from india and the region going on till 1st of april, when consulates stopped issuing permits.

Do blame the government which allowed for songran to go on despite the third wave started in march by the very same government officials in thonglor clubs. It was purely face saving operation. And do blame their corruption for acute shortage of choice of vax - in march was already known from an India experience, that AZ don't work that well

Can you show the link AZ doesn’t work. Tell that to people who have had it

[Kaopad999]

15 hours ago, 2 is 1 said:

Europe start to order third dose for citizen's. So LOS not going to get it any time soon if they not fast!

Now is the time money really not count!

Yep, it's going to drag on for a long, long time here in the LOS. 
My bet is for at least another year and a half.

[Surelynot]

Just now, Kaopad999 said:

well, we're going to have to learn to live with it by the looks of things. It's obvious now that vaccines  alone are not going to completely prevent it from spreading like we were first made to believe. What are we all going to do, hide under a rock for the rest of our lives?  I don't think that is at all healthy or feasible. 
Life must go on... 

I would agree...."at some point".......but with only half the UK population fully vaccinated many people are horrified at the steps being taken to remove all mitigating factors.............

 

Simply keeping the requirement for masks on public transport would be a big plus.......hopefully the general public will have more sense than Bunter.

 

 

[Stargeezr]

placeholder, sorry but you are so misinformed. you can still get COVID and spread it 

even after you have had your 2 shots.  Ignorance is a dangerous thing, just like the internet if you do not use it

and do research with it.  Please educate yourself and spread the real news,   After you have your 2 shots you may only                                                                           feel sick, and not die, but do not think for one minute that you will not spread the stuffr.  Thanks.

Geezer

[Kaopad999]

2 minutes ago, Surelynot said:

I would agree...."at some point".......but with only half the UK population fully vaccinated many people are horrified at the steps being taken to remove all mitigating factors.............

 

Simply keeping the requirement for masks on public transport would be a big plus.......hopefully the general public will have more sense than Bunter.

 

 

You have to remember though, in countries like the UK that have a fairly normal functioning democracy, the government can actually be held accountable to some degree. 

My feeling is that, people in the UK, have started to become very suspicious of the governments motive. For example, many of those that have been fully vaccinated were promised 'freedom' by the summer, yet there are still restrictions in place. So, you can imagine the potential consequences that may occur if the government  do not stick to their word. 

i'm all for vaccines being rolled out for those who are vulnerable, or feel that they may be in danger of the virus, but there has to come a point where people get back to their normal functioning daily lives in order to survive & pay their bills. It's only the very wealthy that can benefit financially from long term lock-downs 

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12 minutes ago, Stargrazer9889 said:

placeholder, sorry but you are so misinformed. you can still get COVID and spread it 

even after you have had your 2 shots.  Ignorance is a dangerous thing, just like the internet if you do not use it

and do research with it.  Please educate yourself and spread the real news,   After you have your 2 shots you may only                                                                           feel sick, and not die, but do not think for one minute that you will not spread the stuffr.  Thanks.

Geezer

But you are less likely to spread it if you've been vaccinated.

[Guderian]

16 hours ago, snoop1130 said:

He said the main measures, which can help contain the outbreak, are to reduce mobility, reduce travel and reduce the risk of getting infected in workplaces. Other measures include not eating at food outlets.

 

In other words, a strict lockdown is required. Go on man, don't be shy, just say it!

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6 hours ago, GrandPapillon said:

don't think they could get delivered even if they wanted to, Europe and USA is first

 

you guys will have to wait for December when we are fully vaccinated,

Actually Pfizer and Moderna are producing far more vaccine than the USA can consume. So no, the supply of vaccines from these companies doesn't depend on fully vaccinating the USA. And considering the resistance to vaccination, especially from areas that vote red, it's unlikely that the USA will ever be fully vaccinated.

Also, the Biontech vaccine, which is what Pfizer is producing in the USA, is also made in Europe.

[chang1]

14 hours ago, connda said:

Those who don't get shots are virus mutation factories.

Here: 10 stages of genocide as outlined by academic Gregory H. Stanton.  Stanton stated that the stages may not follow a linear progression and may occur concurrently.
Prevention can occur by interrupting the process at any stage.

 

We're at number 4:  Dehumanization: People equated to animals, vermin, or disease.  ^{<-- (you are here)}

Keep a close eye on this as Apartheid of those unvaccinated is being called for by members of governments and funneled to the general public by main-stream media world-wide.  Then read the 10 stages of genocide.  See where it can leads. If it's seen for what it is quickly enough, "it may be prevented."  Wake up and smell the coffee.  Very disturbing.

1. Classification:  Vaccinated / Unvaccinated
2. Symbolisation: Unvaccinated force to wear masks
3. Discrimination: Unvaccinated are targeted and refused essential goods and services.
4. Dehumanization:  The Unvaccinated are variant mutation factories (CNN says 'experts' say so, so it must be 100% true)
5. Organization:  Planning to implement apartheid of unvaccinated citizens
6. Polarization:  Implementing those plans.

Steps 7 through 10 are messy.  Just look at the results by remembering a little Khmer history just a few decades ago in our SE Asian neighbor. 
"But it's not the same!"
But it's never the same.  As a quote attributed to Mark Twain so aptly states, "History doesn't repeat, but it does rhyme."

"But the unvaccinated just need to get vaccinated!"
Yeah, past victims just needed to accept Communism (insert your own -ism), they just needed to accept (insert religion), they just need to accept (insert ideological viewpoint), they just needed to <insert some action>. All for "the better good of mankind", of course.
"Just do what we say to do and we won't oppress or kill you.  Promise!  Just submit."

IF allowed to continue this will not be any different this time around. Well, it will rhyme. Just saying.  Study history and "heads-up!"  This could get ugly.

"Unvaccinated force to wear masks" - Since when just the unvaccinated? Although they are usually the ones who refuse to wear masks. 

"3. Discrimination: Unvaccinated are targeted and refused essential goods and services" - Just keep them away from people especially close contact such as on planes.

4. Dehumanization:  The Unvaccinated are variant mutation factorie4. Dehumanization:  The Unvaccinated are variant mutation factories (CNN says 'experts' say so, so it must be 100% true) - Not just CNN, we are all mutation factories when infected but far more efficient when unvaccinated. 

5. Organization:  Planning to implement apartheid of unvaccinated citizens - If only that was possible. 

"Study history and "heads-up!"  This could get ugly." - Which bit of history shows being vaccinated is "ugly"? January in the UK was ugly, vaccines have saved thousands of lives and prevented a lot of long covid here and around the world. Ugly is what happens when people are refused access to vaccines. Ugly is a hospital at breaking point due to too many covid patients. Ugly is stupid politicians who think covid19 is no worse than flue. Ugly is places like Brazil with half a million grieving families. Ugly will be a new vaccine resistant strain. That's evened up the scare mongering. 

 

Personally I think anti vaxxers should just have their passports taken from them and then left alone. They know the risks. Like smokers - keep them away from me and let them risk their own lives. Shame they can't be taxed the same to cover the extra costs from hospitalizations. Just pity those who unfortunately have to live with them. 

[Surelynot]

30 minutes ago, Kaopad999 said:

You have to remember though, in countries like the UK that have a fairly normal functioning democracy, the government can actually be held accountable to some degree. 

My feeling is that, people in the UK, have started to become very suspicious of the governments motive. For example, many of those that have been fully vaccinated were promised 'freedom' by the summer, yet there are still restrictions in place. So, you can imagine the potential consequences that may occur if the government  do not stick to their word. 

i'm all for vaccines being rolled out for those who are vulnerable, or feel that they may be in danger of the virus, but there has to come a point where people get back to their normal functioning daily lives in order to survive & pay their bills. It's only the very wealthy that can benefit financially from long term lock-downs 

Wouldn't argue with that.....other than to reinforce the fact that to extend some 'minor' infringements on liberties, like masks on public transport, might have remained a powerful mitigating factor.

[chang1]

52 minutes ago, Kaopad999 said:

vaccines  alone are not going to completely prevent it from spreading like we were first made to believe.

This is a problem  - people are told one thing and believe something different.  No-one with an once of common sense would say "completely". Reduce is as good as it will ever get. Same as they won't completely stop you getting, transmitting or even dying from covid. They may, however, reduce those happening and allow us to return to a normal life albeit with a few restrictions. 

[chang1]

6 minutes ago, Surelynot said:

Wouldn't argue with that.....other than to reinforce the fact that to extend some 'minor' infringements on liberties, like masks on public transport, might have remained a powerful mitigating factor.

BoJo said they are likely to remain in such places.

[Surelynot]

Just now, chang1 said:

BoJo said they are likely to remain in such places.

I think he has come under some pressure..........particularly from the London, Birmingham and Manchester Mayors