Ivermectin

[suzannegoh]

Where can Ivermectin be purchased in Chiang Mai and how much should it cost?

I see on Lazada that they have veterinarian Ivermectin at dirt cheap prices.  But I checked at a seemingly legit pharmacy near Thapae Gate and for the human-approved name brand version they were asking 1250 baht for twelve 6mg pills.  I suspect that 1250 Baht is the special price for stupid farang, but maybe not.

[jojothai]

I do not know about Chiang Mai, but you will be lucky to find much in Bangkok.
Can other people please add comment from experience. Its likely that many people have tried to find some.

1250 is a rip off.
And Twelve 6mg pills will only give you one treatment which is for 3 or 4 days according to the dosages stated on medical websites that provide information relating to Covid.

[Harry Om]

I asked at a Pharmacy and was quoted the same price, and I've seen the same price mentioned elsewhere. They were out of stock but had it on order.

 

If there's a markup I don't think it's from the Pharmacies. My understanding is that it's only made in Thailand by one small company who makes limited amounts.

[suzannegoh]

12 minutes ago, Harry Om said:

I asked at a Pharmacy and was quoted the same price, and I've seen the same price mentioned elsewhere. They were out of stock but had it on order.

 

If there's a markup I don't think it's from the Pharmacies. My understanding is that it's only made in Thailand by one small company who makes limited amounts.

Maybe that the price then. 

As for who is marking it up, maybe it's not the pharmacies.  It seems like there is a problem with price rigging of pharmaceuticals in Thailand in general.  The US is known for it's high drug prices but yet I can't think of a single prescription drug that I've ever checked on that is cheaper in Thailand than in the US. 

[gamb00ler]

2 hours ago, suzannegoh said:

The US is known for it's high drug prices but yet I can't think of a single prescription drug that I've ever checked on that is cheaper in Thailand than in the US. 

My wife takes thyroid hormone that costs $10 for 3 months at Walmart.  Here it's about 260฿ for 100.  The downside is that Thailand only authorizes a few dosages with rather large gaps between them.  For best results she should take 80µ grams daily.  Only 50's and 100's are available here.  We're becoming very competent pill cutters.

[suzannegoh]

1 minute ago, gamb00ler said:

My wife takes thyroid hormone that costs $10 for 3 months at Walmart.  Here it's about 260฿ for 100.  The downside is that Thailand only authorizes a few dosages with rather large gaps between them.  For best results she should take 80µ grams daily.  Only 50's and 100's are available here.  We're becoming very competent pill cutters.

I'm not sure how to interpret that because you switched units of measure.  Is "3 months" the same number of pills as "100"?

[gamb00ler]

26 minutes ago, suzannegoh said:

I'm not sure how to interpret that because you switched units of measure.  Is "3 months" the same number of pills as "100"?

I think US always counts 30 pills as a 1 month supply.  I've never seen it any other value.  So $10 for 90 pills in US vs about $7.30 for the same amount in Thailand.

[fearless1]

I bought the cheap Chinese pet Ivermectin off of Lazada. It comes in 5 mg tablets of 100% Ivermectin. 100 tablets for 73 baht. I've been taking it for months with zero side effects. There are no other ingredients or fillers. I would guess it comes off the same assembly line as the human form.

 

Make sure you also take vitamin D and Zinc.

[canthai55]

You mean Big Pharma and their lackeys the medical establishment is lying ?

Say it isn't so ... 555

[suzannegoh]

1 hour ago, fearless1 said:

I bought the cheap Chinese pet Ivermectin off of Lazada. It comes in 5 mg tablets of 100% Ivermectin. 100 tablets for 73 baht. I've been taking it for months with zero side effects. There are no other ingredients or fillers. I would guess it comes off the same assembly line as the human form.

 

Make sure you also take vitamin D and Zinc.

That's good feedback.  How much Vit D and Zinc should be taken in addition Ivermectin, and how many of the 5mg Ivermectin pills do you take per day?

 

Also, you say no side effects, which is great, but I was wondering if it's safe to drink alcohol when taking it.  I'm sure that it's not recommended to do that, but have you?

[Harry Om]

46 minutes ago, suzannegoh said:

That's good feedback.  How much Vit D and Zinc should be taken in addition Ivermectin, and how many of the 5mg Ivermectin pills do you take per day?

 

Also, you say no side effects, which is great, but I was wondering if it's safe to drink alcohol when taking it.  I'm sure that it's not recommended to do that, but have you?

If you're taking it as prophylactic, it's only suggested once a week.

 

https://covid19criticalcare.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/FLCCC-Alliance-I-MASKplus-Protocol-ENGLISH.pdf

[fearless1]

I take about 17 grams every one or two weeks (it's not an exact science and there are different prophylactic protocols). Generally, they all seem to involve taking approximately .2 mg/kg per dose which for me is about 3 and 1/2 pills.

 

I take 3000 to 5000 iu's of vitamin D per day and 30 mg of zinc per day. I take other supplements too but the vitamin D and Zinc are the most critical in terms of protection related to covid.

 

I generally drink a couple of glasses of wine per day and I have never noticed any problems with that. Keep in mind that over 4 billion doses of ivermectin have been administered over the last 30 years or so and the only side effects have generally been related more to the die-off of parasites than anything else. It's much safer than statins or ibuprofen.

[partington]

2 hours ago, fearless1 said:

I take about 17 grams every one or two weeks (it's not an exact science and there are different prophylactic protocols). Generally, they all seem to involve taking approximately .2 mg/kg per dose which for me is about 3 and 1/2 pills.

 

I take 3000 to 5000 iu's of vitamin D per day and 30 mg of zinc per day. I take other supplements too but the vitamin D and Zinc are the most critical in terms of protection related to covid.

 

I generally drink a couple of glasses of wine per day and I have never noticed any problems with that. Keep in mind that over 4 billion doses of ivermectin have been administered over the last 30 years or so and the only side effects have generally been related more to the die-off of parasites than anything else. It's much safer than statins or ibuprofen.

Yes, but what all you guys who think social media is a better guide to health matters than science seem totally unaware of, is that the prophylactic treatment for parasites is one dose of ivermectin, every 3 months to a year!

 

None of the 4 billion doses are taken by people every day or every week!

 

Additionally you don't actually know whether you are having side effects or not.  Just because you don't feel anything does not mean no harm is occurring, does it?

 

If it did, then everyone who has early cancer, high blood pressure, and many other diseases would be aware of it straight away, rather than realising it only when the damage done becomes serious enough to show symptoms.

See dosages  here https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/ivermectin-oral-tablet#dosage

 

Extract:

"Take as directed

Ivermectin oral tablet is used for short-term treatment. It comes with serious risks if you don’t take it as prescribed.

If you stop taking the drug suddenly or don’t take it at all: Your parasitic infection won’t be cured.

If you take too much: This is not likely because in many cases, you’ll take this drug one time only, as a single dose. However, if you take too much or your dose is too high, you could have dangerous levels of this drug in your body

 

Dosage for parasite infection in the intestinal tract

Adult dosage (ages 18–64 years)

Typical dosage: 200 mcg/kg of body weight taken as one dose. Most people won’t need more than one dose.

 

Dosage for parasite infection in skin or eyes

Adult dosage (ages 18–64 years)

Typical dosage: 150 mcg/kg of body weight taken as one dose.

Follow-up treatment: You’ll likely need follow-up care from your doctor and additional rounds of treatment with this drug. Your doctor will decide when you’ll receive your next dose of ivermectin. You may be treated again in as few as three months.

[connda]

10 hours ago, gamb00ler said:

My wife takes thyroid hormone that costs $10 for 3 months at Walmart.  Here it's about 260฿ for 100.  The downside is that Thailand only authorizes a few dosages with rather large gaps between them.  For best results she should take 80µ grams daily.  Only 50's and 100's are available here.  We're becoming very competent pill cutters.

You could go the other way around.  Lets talk Albendazole.  $1 USD here.  $200 to $800 in the US per 400mg dose.
Now tell me.  The pharmaceutical companies worldwide are not greedy, evil inhuman vile bastards?  They are.

[canthai55]

8 hours ago, connda said:

You could go the other way around.  Lets talk Albendazole.  $1 USD here.  $200 to $800 in the US per 400mg dose.
Now tell me.  The pharmaceutical companies worldwide are not greedy, evil inhuman vile bastards?  They are.

When I was undergoing treatment for Hep-C I was on two different pills once a day.

One of them cost the Gov't $1000 each

An entire course of treatment, with generic pills manufactured in India, was US $200. But you could not buy them in N. America - Hmmm I wonder why ?

555

[phetphet]

21 hours ago, suzannegoh said:

Maybe that the price then. 

As for who is marking it up, maybe it's not the pharmacies.  It seems like there is a problem with price rigging of pharmaceuticals in Thailand in general.  The US is known for it's high drug prices but yet I can't think of a single prescription drug that I've ever checked on that is cheaper in Thailand than in the US. 

I think that's why there are so many pharmacies in Thailand. Big mark up. Very profitable. 

[fearless1]

Partington,

 

100's of millions of people are taking doses of ivermectin right now that are greater and more frequent than what I outlined. This is happening all over in different areas of India, South America, etc. There have been zero reports of side effects and in every area it has been administered cases of covid have plummeted. I have looked at the graphs of multitude of countries and areas where it has been administered and it is remarkable.

 

Social media is not my guide to anything. The scientists that recommend these protocols have nothing to gain. They are not owned and they are not profiting in any way from their research. They have found, through science, that a nobel prize winning drug has unbelievable anti-viral properties in a lab and have repurposed it in the treatment of covid. I trust uncompromised science much more than science driven by profit.

 

 

[xylophone]

53 minutes ago, fearless1 said:

Partington,

 

100's of millions of people are taking doses of ivermectin right now that are greater and more frequent than what I outlined. This is happening all over in different areas of India, South America, etc. There have been zero reports of side effects and in every area it has been administered cases of covid have plummeted. I have looked at the graphs of multitude of countries and areas where it has been administered and it is remarkable.

 

Social media is not my guide to anything. The scientists that recommend these protocols have nothing to gain. They are not owned and they are not profiting in any way from their research. They have found, through science, that a nobel prize winning drug has unbelievable anti-viral properties in a lab and have repurposed it in the treatment of covid. I trust uncompromised science much more than science driven by profit.

 

 

What is remarkable is that someone could post such a crock and believe it:- "100's of millions of people are taking doses of ivermectin right now that are greater and more frequent than what I outlined. This is happening all over in different areas of India, South America, etc. There have been zero reports of side effects and in every area it has been administered cases of covid have plummeted. I have looked at the graphs of multitude of countries and areas where it has been administered and it is remarkable".

 

Perhaps try this...........

Eye of newt, and toe of frog,
Wool of bat, and tongue of dog,
Adder's fork, and blind-worm's sting,
Lizard's leg, and howlet's wing,--
For a charm of powerful trouble,
Like a hell-broth boil and bubble

[suzannegoh]

1 hour ago, xylophone said:

Perhaps try this...........

Eye of newt, and toe of frog,
Wool of bat, and tongue of dog,
Adder's fork, and blind-worm's sting,
Lizard's leg, and howlet's wing,--
For a charm of powerful trouble,
Like a hell-broth boil and bubble

Now, that's a real doctor!

[Yorkshire Tea]

3 hours ago, xylophone said:

What is remarkable is that someone could post such a crock and believe it:- "100's of millions of people are taking doses of ivermectin right now that are greater and more frequent than what I outlined. This is happening all over in different areas of India, South America, etc. There have been zero reports of side effects and in every area it has been administered cases of covid have plummeted. I have looked at the graphs of multitude of countries and areas where it has been administered and it is remarkable".

 

Perhaps try this...........

Eye of newt, and toe of frog,
Wool of bat, and tongue of dog,
Adder's fork, and blind-worm's sting,
Lizard's leg, and howlet's wing,--
For a charm of powerful trouble,
Like a hell-broth boil and bubble

I'm having trouble sourcing Adder's fork.

Can anyone point me in the right direction?

[Harry Om]

I'm not anti-vax.

 

However, it's well documented that people have died because of covid vaccines, that have been in use for less than a year

 

"Sadly two people with confirmed TTS following the first dose of the AstraZeneca vaccine died in the last week."

 

https://www.tga.gov.au/periodic/covid-19-vaccine-weekly-safety-report-22-07-2021

 

Ivermectin has been used for over 40 years. Can someone please point me to the evidence that shows me where people have died because of Ivermectin.

 

[Habbo]

There are many companies and countries researching Ivermectin. One is Finnish company, but how knows do they ever

have product for sale.

 

https://yle.fi/uutiset/osasto/news/finnish_firm_earns_us_patent_for_covid_drug_containing_ivermectin_and_hydroxychloroquine/11946611

 

 

[xylophone]

16 minutes ago, Harry Om said:

I'm not anti-vax.

 

However, it's well documented that people have died because of covid vaccines, that have been in use for less than a year

 

"Sadly two people with confirmed TTS following the first dose of the AstraZeneca vaccine died in the last week."

 

https://www.tga.gov.au/periodic/covid-19-vaccine-weekly-safety-report-22-07-2021

 

Ivermectin has been used for over 40 years. Can someone please point me to the evidence that shows me where people have died because of Ivermectin.

 

All vaccines carry some risk, and going back to the days when I was a boy, I was at risk in the vaccines I had then, and then later on when I went to work overseas in Africa I was also at risk in the vaccines I had then, so this is nothing new and has happened before.

 

It's not just because it's a Covid vaccine, it's happened before and it will happen again. It's a risk we all take when we become vaccinated for something or another.

 

As for ivermectin, well as its primary use is for animals, and I don't know that anyone's been keeping a log of animals that have died because of it.

 

In addition as has been already mentioned, it is not meant for everyday use, and it can cause death and also serious side effects, so just a few links for you: –

 

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(05)62668-2/fulltext
http://www.dar.emory.edu/pi/ivermectin.pdf
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5929173/

[Harry Om]

42 minutes ago, xylophone said:

All vaccines carry some risk, and going back to the days when I was a boy, I was at risk in the vaccines I had then, and then later on when I went to work overseas in Africa I was also at risk in the vaccines I had then, so this is nothing new and has happened before.

 

It's not just because it's a Covid vaccine, it's happened before and it will happen again. It's a risk we all take when we become vaccinated for something or another.

 

As for ivermectin, well as its primary use is for animals, and I don't know that anyone's been keeping a log of animals that have died because of it.

 

In addition as has been already mentioned, it is not meant for everyday use, and it can cause death and also serious side effects, so just a few links for you: –

 

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(05)62668-2/fulltext
http://www.dar.emory.edu/pi/ivermectin.pdf
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5929173/

Over 4 billion doses have been given doses of Ivermectin, so to suggest it's just for animals is ridiculous.

 

As for the studies you posted, you either didn't read them or you can't understand them.

 

The Lancet study you posted actually says;

 

"administration of ivermectin to geriatric patients does not produce an excess of deaths. This finding accords with several other reports in the published research noting a high degree of safety for this drug in both animals and human beings."

 

Then you linked to an info sheet, about animals, that says those with have abnormal P-glycoprotein can have bad reactions. It has nothing to do with humans. Nonetheless, it does say, "ivermectin has a wide margin of safety in most mammalian species"

 

The final study says that after searching the literature (and remember over 4 billion doses given) that they found 28 potentially suspect cases, but this is a paper which says that this is only with " a correlation between pre-ivermectin treatment L. loa microfilarial density", So in other words, if you have a certain type of african worm it could cause it to get through the blood brain barrier. However, They conclude the study with "the total number of reported cases suggests that such events are likely rare."

 

I doubt many of the people on this forum are infected with l.loa, and even if they are, it's 28 cases out of 4 billion doses.

[talahtnut]

1 hour ago, Yorkshire Tea said:

I'm having trouble sourcing Adder's fork.

Can anyone point me in the right direction?

It was a common brew in 17th century England used by Mr. Macbeth,

and currently sold worldwide by Mr. Gates.

 

 

[Harry Om]

Here's a study on Ivermectin at doses far exceeding what is recommended for covid;

 

" Ivermectin was generally well tolerated, with no indication of associated CNS toxicity for doses up to 10 times the highest FDA-approved dose of 200 microg/kg. All dose regimens had a mydriatic effect similar to placebo. Adverse experiences were similar between ivermectin and placebo and did not increase with dose. "

 

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/12362927/

[xylophone]

42 minutes ago, Harry Om said:

Over 4 billion doses have been given doses of Ivermectin

Link to this fact that 4 billion doses have been given please..............and plenty of other info out there regarding the safety of Ivermectin in humans.

 

https://www.fda.gov/consumers/consumer-updates/why-you-should-not-use-ivermectin-treat-or-prevent-covid-19

 

Also: 

There’s a lot of misinformation around, and you may have heard that it’s okay to take large doses of ivermectin. That is wrong. 

Even the levels of ivermectin for approved uses can interact with other medications, like blood-thinners. You can also overdose on ivermectin, which can cause nausea, vomiting, diarrhea, hypotension (low blood pressure), allergic reactions (itching and hives), dizziness, ataxia (problems with balance), seizures, coma and even death. 

 

Here is some more research and info to consider......

https://theconversation.com/a-major-ivermectin-study-has-been-withdrawn-so-what-now-for-the-controversial-drug-164627

 

Ivermectin, another bogus COVID treatment, becomes a darling of conspiracy-mongers.

 

Say hello to ivermectin.

 

Like the anti-malarial, ivermectin has been around for years as a known remedy for certain diseases. In hydroxychloroquine’s case, it was effective against malaria and some auto-immune conditions such as lupus.

 

Ivermectin is commonly prescribed by veterinarians to deworm dogs, cats and farm livestock. It also has been prescribed for humans suffering from some parasitic infections.

 

The drug was initially injected into the COVID treatment debate in mid-2020, thanks to a paper by Australian researchers who determined that at extremely high concentrations it showed some efficacy against the SARS-CoV-2 virus, which causes COVID, in the lab.

 

As pharmacological experts pointed out from the start, because of ivermectin’s particular properties, it would be almost impossible to achieve the same concentrations of the drug in the human bloodstream that were used in the lab tests.

 

Nevertheless, ivermectin was soon being promoted as a magic bullet against COVID, in part by anti-vaccine activists and advocates of alternative medicine. The drug quickly became something of a political darling.

 

That wouldn’t be a surprise to the World Health Organization, the Food and Drug Administration or, indeed, Merck, a manufacturer of ivermectin. The drug company says there is “no scientific basis for a potential therapeutic effect against COVID-19 from pre-clinical studies; no meaningful evidence for clinical activity or clinical efficacy in patients with COVID-19 disease, and; a concerning lack of safety data in the majority of studies.”

[Harry Om]

37 minutes ago, xylophone said:

Link to this fact that 4 billion doses have been given please..............and plenty of other info out there regarding the safety of Ivermectin in humans.

 

https://www.fda.gov/consumers/consumer-updates/why-you-should-not-use-ivermectin-treat-or-prevent-covid-19

Mectizan is Ivermectin.

 

"Today, the MDP is the longest-running, disease-specific drug donation program of its kind and has been influential in the development of a number of other drug donation programs. And, the MDP’s community-directed strategy used to distribute Mectizan has enabled add-on health services to be introduced in remote communities where health services are limited. The program reaches more than 300 million people in the affected areas annually, with more than 4 billion treatments donated since 1987."

https://www.merck.com/stories/mectizan/

 

As for your FDA link, it basically says it's not approved by them for Covid. They don't say it doesn't work. It's basically a disclaimer.

"The FDA has not reviewed data to support use of ivermectin in COVID-19 patients to treat or to prevent COVID-19; however, some initial research is underway. "

 

As for safety in humans, the two that discovered Ivermectin got a Nobel Prize;

"The consequences in terms of improved human health and reduced suffering are immeasurable."

 

https://www.nobelprize.org/prizes/medicine/2015/press-release/

 

Just google it if you want more info (I'm going out for dinner), but if it was toxic it wouldn't have got a Nobel. It's also being investigated as a treatment for dengue, malaria and it may have anti cancer properties, among others.

 

Look, I think people should get vaxed if they want to, and I don't care if people take Ivermectin or not, but to paint it as a dangerous drug if taken sensibly is IMO morally wrong considering a) it's not, and b) it could save lives.

[xylophone]

21 minutes ago, Harry Om said:

Mectizan is Ivermectin.

 

"Today, the MDP is the longest-running, disease-specific drug donation program of its kind and has been influential in the development of a number of other drug donation programs. And, the MDP’s community-directed strategy used to distribute Mectizan has enabled add-on health services to be introduced in remote communities where health services are limited. The program reaches more than 300 million people in the affected areas annually, with more than 4 billion treatments donated since 1987."

https://www.merck.com/stories/mectizan/

 

As for your FDA link, it basically says it's not approved by them for Covid. They don't say it doesn't work. It's basically a disclaimer.

"The FDA has not reviewed data to support use of ivermectin in COVID-19 patients to treat or to prevent COVID-19; however, some initial research is underway. "

 

As for safety in humans, the two that discovered Ivermectin got a Nobel Prize;

"The consequences in terms of improved human health and reduced suffering are immeasurable."

 

https://www.nobelprize.org/prizes/medicine/2015/press-release/

 

Just google it if you want more info (I'm going out for dinner), but if it was toxic it wouldn't have got a Nobel. It's also being investigated as a treatment for dengue, malaria and it may have anti cancer properties, among others.

 

Look, I think people should get vaxed if they want to, and I don't care if people take Ivermectin or not, but to paint it as a dangerous drug if taken sensibly is IMO morally wrong considering a) it's not, and b) it could save lives.

You are being very selective and mixing things up to suit your case, because research does show that ivermectin can be dangerous, and even if it's discoverer has been awarded the Nobel prize, it wasn't awarded because of the fact it was efficacious against Covid!

 

I will listen to the virologists and specialists/doctors worldwide who have basically said that there is no evidence whatsoever that ivermectin is useful against Covid, and even when one research paper put forward results that showed it could, this research paper was shown to be totally flawed.

 

Sure, it can be used to treat worms and parasites, but no evidence whatsoever that it is useful in treating Covid.

 

And as for being a dangerous drug, well there is no specific dosing regimen offered for ivermectin against Covid, so people are free to do what they want with it and in that case, it can be dangerous.

 

I will listen to the experts and I don't consider somebody on a forum here to be one of those, although I will say that Partington, a long-time poster, has a lot of knowledge in this area because it is his field of expertise.

 

AGAIN..........

Even the levels of ivermectin for approved uses can interact with other medications, like blood-thinners. You can also overdose on ivermectin, which can cause nausea, vomiting, diarrhea, hypotension (low blood pressure), allergic reactions (itching and hives), dizziness, ataxia (problems with balance), seizures, coma and even death. 

 

That wouldn’t be a surprise to the World Health Organization, the Food and Drug Administration or, indeed, Merck, a manufacturer of ivermectin. The drug company says there is “no scientific basis for a potential therapeutic effect against COVID-19 from pre-clinical studies; no meaningful evidence for clinical activity or clinical efficacy in patients with COVID-19 disease, and; a concerning lack of safety data in the majority of studies.”

[david555]

I gave Ivermectin to my horses before , it was in a paste mint taste , ( plastic tube form ) in their mouth to swallow ,  and now humans go try it ...? remember a horse is about 450 kilo at least , compare it .... 

 

It was used against any worms