It was reported that China had 11 covid-19 vaccines under development in 2020. The first to be given emergency approval was CanSino but only for domestic use. Could this be why China, in addition to stringent measures, were able to contain infections? It has only recently been offered outside China. https://www.reuters.com/world/americas/argentina-issues-emergency-approval-chinas-single-dose-cansino-covid-19-vaccine-2021-06-11/

They has also recently developed an inhaled version https://www.pharmaceutical-technology.com/news/cansino-trials-inhaled-vaccine/

 

"While the world was still figuring out the coronavirus, China led an ambitious scientific project by having the most vaccines under development (11 out of 42 vaccines in September 2020). It was among the first few countries which came up with a vaccine the fastest. Its immunisation initiative started as early as 25 June 2020, with CanSino’s single-dose vaccine’s emergency approval. By July 2020, the country already had two vaccines approved for emergency usage. Whilst researchers warned against using a vaccine without a large-scale randomised placebo-controlled trial, China had already begun vaccinating soldiers, government employees, aviation staff, and healthcare workers at home."

 

https://www.orfonline.org/expert-speak/diplomacy-gone-amiss-story-of-chinese-covid-19-vaccines/

https://www.voanews.com/east-asia-pacific/experts-warn-chinas-emergency-use-covid-19-vaccine

5 minutes ago, Caspersfriend said:

It was reported that China had 11 covid-19 vaccines under development in 2020. The first to be given emergency approval was CanSino but only for domestic use. Could this be why China, in addition to stringent measures, were able to contain infections? It has only recently been offered outside China. https://www.reuters.com/world/americas/argentina-issues-emergency-approval-chinas-single-dose-cansino-covid-19-vaccine-2021-06-11/

They has also recently developed an inhaled version https://www.pharmaceutical-technology.com/news/cansino-trials-inhaled-vaccine/

 

"While the world was still figuring out the coronavirus, China led an ambitious scientific project by having the most vaccines under development (11 out of 42 vaccines in September 2020). It was among the first few countries which came up with a vaccine the fastest. Its immunisation initiative started as early as 25 June 2020, with CanSino’s single-dose vaccine’s emergency approval. By July 2020, the country already had two vaccines approved for emergency usage. Whilst researchers warned against using a vaccine without a large-scale randomised placebo-controlled trial, China had already begun vaccinating soldiers, government employees, aviation staff, and healthcare workers at home."

 

https://www.orfonline.org/expert-speak/diplomacy-gone-amiss-story-of-chinese-covid-19-vaccines/

https://www.voanews.com/east-asia-pacific/experts-warn-chinas-emergency-use-covid-19-vaccine

China was willing to allow Phase 3 trials to be skipped or barely begun.

Edited July 24, 20214 yr by placeholder

3 hours ago, webfact said:

In this regard he stood by data from three provinces - Phuket, Chiang Rai and Samut Sakhon - that Sinovac was 90% efficacious in this regard against the Alpha variant.

Bit like saying this years flu jab is 90% effective against last years flu !

Efficacy against Alpha strain no longer matters given it's all gone...

 

https://mthai.com/news/185755.html

 

I would not expect other vaccines faring any better with Delta than Pfizer, and data being any better than one coming from single vaccine mass vaccinated Israel. And from their data, Pfizer is 39% effective against Delta.

 

• Israeli Health Ministry says Pfizer vaccine is effective against COVID-19 dropped to just 39 percent in Israel.
• The continued decline in efficiency coincides with the outbreak of the virus. mutant Delta species in the country
• Israel vaccination against COVID-19 The first dose is given to more than 5.75 million people, or 61.6 percent of the population.

90%? Hmmm. Show me the science.

 

I'd like to see an independent study from a country that isn't beholden to China.

31 minutes ago, placeholder said:

China was willing to allow Phase 3 trials to be skipped or barely begun.

Agreed, however:

 

Could this be why China were able to contain infections?

 

Was their CanSino a vaccine that was aligned more to the covid-19 virus that [allegedly] started in China?

 

Never been suggested/considered/available here in Thailand

8 minutes ago, tomazbodner said:

Efficacy against Alpha strain no longer matters given it's all gone...

 

https://mthai.com/news/185755.html

 

I would not expect other vaccines faring any better with Delta than Pfizer, and data being any better than one coming from single vaccine mass vaccinated Israel. And from their data, Pfizer is 39% effective against Delta.

 

• Israeli Health Ministry says Pfizer vaccine is effective against COVID-19 dropped to just 39 percent in Israel.
• The continued decline in efficiency coincides with the outbreak of the virus. mutant Delta species in the country
• Israel vaccination against COVID-19 The first dose is given to more than 5.75 million people, or 61.6 percent of the population.

39% refers to its effectiveness against transmission, not against hospitalizations and deaths.

Alpha is so yesterday.  Get with the program.

7 minutes ago, Caspersfriend said:

Agreed, however:

 

Could this be why China were able to contain infections?

 

Was their CanSino a vaccine that was aligned more to the covid-19 virus that [allegedly] started in China?

 

Never been suggested/considered/available here in Thailand

I guess anything is possible. But it seems unlikely.

3 hours ago, FridgeMagnet1 said:

It literally says in the article that studies against Delta are ongoing.

 

 

Yes, I read that and thought immediately the medical authorities do not wish to divulge the truth . 

4 minutes ago, itsari said:

Yes, I read that and thought immediately the medical authorities do not wish to divulge the truth . 

Really? That’s what you immediately thought? 
 

not, “Delta is newer than Alpha and the study is still ongoing?”

 

Good lord….

7 minutes ago, itsari said:

Yes, I read that and thought immediately the medical authorities do not wish to divulge the truth . 

Actually they mention the word "stable" whatever that means???

 

"In May, when the Alpha variant was spreading, two jabs of Sinovac proved to be 71 per cent effective, the ministry said.
In June, when 20 to 40 per cent of Covid-19 cases were caused by the Delta variant, two Sinovac jabs indicted 75 per cent effectiveness.

“Therefore, two doses of Sinovac can provide 90 per cent protection against the Alpha variant and 85 per cent against lung infection. Its efficacy against Delta variant is also stable,” the ministry said."

 

The data for above is not a study its just numbers plucked from their database and posted on the Ministry of Public Health facebook page 

 

https://www.facebook.com/thaimoph/posts/358682282408348

Edited July 24, 20214 yr by Bkk Brian

24 minutes ago, placeholder said:

I guess anything is possible. But it seems unlikely.

Why?

3 hours ago, Taboo2 said:

Is this a joke?  Last time I heard, the Delta Variant was the issue, not the fuking Alpha!

South African Wuflu has now reached Thailand and is spreading fast

3 hours ago, FridgeMagnet1 said:

1 nurse, ONE

 

not 10, or 100, or 100,000

 

one

 

why are people here so weird about Sinovac?

Well, if so inconsequential, why have the government just recently authorized giving a booster of Pfizer vaccine to those medical workers who received two doses of sinovac?

 

is it because they feel no one else wants the Pfizer? Or perhaps they have so much vaccine and so little demand, that they might as well give a 3rd shot to medical workers?

 

a little bit of research on your part will reveal why the government have resolved to give medical workers a booster shot of an mRNA vaccine.. I will give you a clue, it has nothing to do with the effectiveness of sinovac vs Alpha Covid. A further clue, it has something to do with the delta variant now prevalent in many parts of Thailand.

Edited July 24, 20214 yr by wensiensheng

5 hours ago, webfact said:

In this regard he stood by data from three provinces - Phuket, Chiang Rai and Samut Sakhon - that Sinovac was 90% efficacious in this regard against the Alpha variant.

 

Studies to determine its efficacy againt the more virulent Delta variant are ongoing, he said.

Studies have already been done in other countries... we know Delta is posing a problem.

Sinovac is not the answer

2 minutes ago, wensiensheng said:

Well, if so inconsequential, why have the government just recently authorized giving a booster of Pfizer vaccine to those medical workers who received two doses of sinovac?

 

is it because they feel no one else wants the Pfizer? Or perhaps they have so much vaccine and so little demand, that they might as well give a 3rd shot to medical workers?

 

a little bit of research on your part will reveal why the government have resolved to give medical workers a booster shot of an mRNA vaccine.. I will give you a clue, it has nothing to do with the effectiveness of sinovac vs Alpha Covid. A further clue, it has something to do with the delta variant now prevalent in many parts of Thailand.

This is such a wretched post on many levels

Of course it needs a booster shot, it’s the least effective vaccine available (but it is available) and will form part of many countries vaccine programs when mixed with other vaccines. 

51 minutes ago, Caspersfriend said:

Why?

Because there are simpler explanations.

Just now, placeholder said:

Because there are simpler explanations.

And also because that's not the only vaccine being used in China.

Anything made in China gives up after two weeks the only good thing is that they replace the broken item without any questions I know as I have great experience of it whilst buying for my new build 

15 million doses.... I suppose that include 1st & 2nd doses... Well you have a long way to go to vaccinate 120 million shots (thats excluding under 18s at this stage) 

I don't think that's anything to be proud of to say you have been at it for over a year... 

 

17 minutes ago, Soikhaonoiken said:

15 million doses.... I suppose that include 1st & 2nd doses... Well you have a long way to go to vaccinate 120 million shots (thats excluding under 18s at this stage) 

I don't think that's anything to be proud of to say you have been at it for over a year... 

 

At what for over a year? Vaccinations via vaccines that passed phase 3 trials only began in December.

5 hours ago, webfact said:

In this regard he stood by data from three provinces - Phuket, Chiang Rai and Samut Sakhon - that Sinovac was 90% efficacious in this regard against the Alpha variant.

Since this is far from being the prevalent strain here now I am afraid this is irrelevant and very misleading to even bring it up.

2 minutes ago, jacko45k said:

Since this is far from being the prevalent strain here now I am afraid this is irrelevant and very misleading to even bring it up.

You understand that Apha came months before Delta so therefore they have been able to work with Apha for longer and complete the study?

So 5 months of study under the Alpha variant?

 

I don't see any comparison results of AZ and Sinovac to give a more objective view.

1 minute ago, FridgeMagnet1 said:

You understand that Apha came months before Delta so therefore they have been able to work with Apha for longer and complete the study?

Yes... I know Alpha is the first in the Greek alphabet......

But we haven't got Alpha to worry about do we.... what use is an old study on a variant discovered last year when we have a more serious one that has been around since May.... if only to justify the use of a vaccine that is in the news for the wrong reasons lately.

As of yesterday Thailand was 76th country worldwide from the bottom of vaccines "delivered into arms" at 5.1 Million which roughly is around 7% of population

So where 15 million is coming from God alone knows !

Edited July 24, 20214 yr by Chivas

6 hours ago, webfact said:

Sinovac was 90% efficacious in this regard against the Alpha variant.

Yes, and thw 2018 flu vaccine probably did OK in 2018, but we're not using the same one now for a good reason.

 

Wrong forum

Edited July 24, 20214 yr by Caspersfriend

1 hour ago, FridgeMagnet1 said:

This is such a wretched post on many levels

Of course it needs a booster shot, it’s the least effective vaccine available (but it is available) and will form part of many countries vaccine programs when mixed with other vaccines. 

Not quite so wretched as this one Mr Magnet

 

“1 nurse, ONE

 

not 10, or 100, or 100,000

 

one

 

why are people here so weird about Sinovac?”

 

on account of, it’s not just one nurse, and if it was, there would be no need to trivialize her death. THAT is wretched on every level.