Save our Sandbox! MoPH send crisis team to Phuket as migrants blamed for infections

[ifmu]

1 minute ago, champers said:

In Thailand News section.

thanks champers   i was after overall stats thailand      the news is great for local areas tho  wish they had one for chiangdao   ..

[d2b2]

Race bating and scapegoating seems to be the go to whenever there is a failure in Thai government 

[NeoDinosaw]

10 hours ago, smedly said:

Thais rarely accept blame for anything - it is infantile, from RTA's to vaccine procurement there is always something or someone to blame - in Phuket the buck stops with the Governor, he is ultimately responsible for everything that goes on - no one else

IT COULD NOT POSSIBLY BE THE FAULT OF ANY THAI PERSON !

Since we cannot blame the dirty farang now (because we want their money) -  ergo  IT MUST BE MIGRANT WORKERS

[sbf]

6 hours ago, kiwikeith said:

Don't breath! that will stop spread 100% guaranteed, caution this may cause serious illness or death.

 

1 person caused NZ to go into it's latest Delta lockdown.

 

13 cases detected today. 19 in hospital, 4 in ICU nearly 1000 cases since the first detection (case 1)

 

1 death sadly a 99 yr old.

 

1 country in serious depression and economic hardship, they call this lockdown kiwi style.

 

Sadly the uncontrolled slave labor market has not been noted by Thai media as causing outbreaks of Delta.

1 thing is certain, it travels through the air, so if you can control breathing then you control Delta.

Not quite the full story, Auckland is still in level 4 full lockdown, the rest of the country only level 2 which is much less restrictive. Yes they did lock down at one case, but the total number of people infected is pretty close to 1,000 now. 

 

Great that they have controlled it enough to get back down to 13 new confirmed cases today. I hope it continues to reduce, as NZ is just about the least vaccinated population of the OECD countries. 

[cncltd1973]

 

 

7 hours ago, flyfrog said:

The meaning of a sandbox is attract foreigners for holidays, so all 2 x vaccinated are welcome, with a 2 weeks beach quarantine, means NO migrant workers NO inland workers who are not vaccinated, that's the reason for the new infections, they will NEVER learn.

More Thai double standard. To enter the Sandbox farang has to jump through Hoops 1-8 and pay $$$, meanwhile, Thai goes to the immigration entry with an envelope.

[phills2k1]

14 hours ago, smedly said:

Thais rarely accept blame for anything - it is infantile, from RTA's to vaccine procurement there is always something or someone to blame - in Phuket the buck stops with the Governor, he is ultimately responsible for everything that goes on - no one else

Seriously, the fact that an entire nation of people were able to create the notion of saving face, where they never have to admit responsibility or be called out for anything, is truly something special 

[Stargeezr]

Before the COVID pandemic, there were thousands or maybe close to a million migrants from

other neighboring countries working in Thailand. House maids, street workers, constructions

workers, many laborers in the Hotel and guest house industries.  There are some up country

Thai people who also worked some of the restaurant and hotel cleaning jobs, but  suspect that

the out of country migrants were paid the least amount of wages.  I was told by my Thai relatives

that without the real migrants, from Burma, or Cambodia, and even some Vietnamese migrants

Thailand would not be in as good of development shape as they were before COVID.  Within my own Thai family there were 

over 8 Burmese migrants who had been in Thailand for years and most had their Thai IDS and immigrant status.

  Many others were general laborers who just lived under the government radar.

    The real Thailand that most expats either do not know about, or know but do not talk about.

Geezer

[Albert Zweistein]

Of course, those damned migrant workers !

[Albert Zweistein]

14 hours ago, Bluespunk said:

Nope, I was saying that when certain politicians refer to migrants they mean foreign migrants.

 

Hope that's clear to you.

Isn't a migrant always a foreigner ?

[stevenl]

4 hours ago, Albert Zweistein said:

Isn't a migrant always a foreigner ?

No. A worker moving from isaan to Phuket for work is for Phuket a migrant worker. He is migrating for his work.

Edited September 17, 2021 by stevenl

[superal]

19 hours ago, kiwikeith said:

Don't breath! that will stop spread 100% guaranteed, caution this may cause serious illness or death.

 

1 person caused NZ to go into it's latest Delta lockdown.

 

13 cases detected today. 19 in hospital, 4 in ICU nearly 1000 cases since the first detection (case 1)

 

1 death sadly a 99 yr old.

 

1 country in serious depression and economic hardship, they call this lockdown kiwi style.

 

Sadly the uncontrolled slave labor market has not been noted by Thai media as causing outbreaks of Delta.

1 thing is certain, it travels through the air, so if you can control breathing then you control Delta.

There are more and more virologists subscribing to this theory  . Once described as droplets and then aerosoles , now micro organisms that are carried in the wind for great distances . In some places where clusters have occurred , previous weather and winds have shown that the wind / breeze was blowing in that direction . 

Heard today that in the UK there was a significant spike in people falling down steps and escalators because they did not want to touch the hand rails 

Finally , the Thai authorities have really shot themselves in the foot with putting the blame on immigrant workers as you would think the immigrants would have been quarantined / tested / double jabbed before being admitted to covid  protected island . Thai authorities are responsible for who they allow on to their super sandbox project of Phuket .

[Albert Zweistein]

6 hours ago, stevenl said:

No. A worker moving from isaan to Phuket for work is for Phuket a migrant worker. He is migrating for his work.

You only mention HE so for a SHE it's different ? Besides what is he for Isaan if he is a migrant worker for Phuket ?

[stevenl]

7 minutes ago, Albert Zweistein said:

You only mention HE so for a SHE it's different ? Besides what is he for Isaan if he is a migrant worker for Phuket ?

Pedantic. For Isaan he would be a home worker, worker, call it anything you want, except migrant.

[Albert Zweistein]

10 hours ago, stevenl said:

Pedantic. For Isaan he would be a home worker, worker, call it anything you want, except migrant.

Pedantic ? no. Curiuos ? yes, about your wisdom. So I did some research :

 

EU migrant workers definition :

 

Every member of a member state has the right to work in another member state.

 

So obvious that member working in another member state is a foreigner there.

[stevenl]

20 minutes ago, Albert Zweistein said:

Pedantic ? no. Curiuos ? yes, about your wisdom. So I did some research :

 

EU migrant workers definition :

 

Every member of a member state has the right to work in another member state.

 

So obvious that member working in another member state is a foreigner there.

EU definition in Thailand. Sure mate.

Better use a general accepted source like the Oxford dictionary:

'a person who moves to another country or area in order to find employment, in particular seasonal or temporary work.'

 

Pedantic about pointing out this also applies to women, 100%.

Edited September 17, 2021 by stevenl

[Eibot]

21 minutes ago, Albert Zweistein said:

Pedantic ? no. Curiuos ? yes, about your wisdom. So I did some research :

 

EU migrant workers definition :

 

Every member of a member state has the right to work in another member state.

 

So obvious that member working in another member state is a foreigner there.

EU????????

[Albert Zweistein]

23 hours ago, stevenl said:

EU definition in Thailand. Sure mate.

Better use a general accepted source like the Oxford dictionary:

'a person who moves to another country or area in order to find employment, in particular seasonal or temporary work.'

 

Pedantic about pointing out this also applies to women, 100%.

I don't see much difference SIR between the EU definition and the Oxford dictionary, in both cases foreigners are involved.

[WhiteBuffaloATM]

“Migrants” in thailand are ASEAN Laborers & Servants with Work Permits but without thailand settlement PR rights. “Immigrants” are All Foreigners with Permanent Resident or Naturalized Citizen Rights. Native Thais are Thai Citizens so are not Migrants or Immigrants !

 

A British carpenter from Hull who relocates to Devon is not any type of “Migrant”.! Migrants are all Foreigners. Natives & Immigrants are all Citizens.

[Gandtee]

On 9/17/2021 at 10:21 AM, superal said:

There are more and more virologists subscribing to this theory  . Once described as droplets and then aerosoles , now micro organisms that are carried in the wind for great distances . In some places where clusters have occurred , previous weather and winds have shown that the wind / breeze was blowing in that direction . 

Heard today that in the UK there was a significant spike in people falling down steps and escalators because they did not want to touch the hand rails 

Finally , the Thai authorities have really shot themselves in the foot with putting the blame on immigrant workers as you would think the immigrants would have been quarantined / tested / double jabbed before being admitted to covid  protected island . Thai authorities are responsible for who they allow on to their super sandbox project of Phuket .

The usual blame game. Have you ever heard someone admit blame here? Loss of face is paramount.

[stevenl]

9 hours ago, Albert Zweistein said:

I don't see much difference SIR between the EU definition and the Oxford dictionary, in both cases foreigners are involved.

Sorry to see you missed the word 'area', so migrants can be but are not necessarily foreigners. Here it looks like the spread came from non foreign migrant workers.

Edited September 19, 2021 by stevenl

[stevenl]

8 hours ago, WhiteBuffaloATM said:

“Migrants” in thailand are ASEAN Laborers & Servants with Work Permits but without thailand settlement PR rights. “Immigrants” are All Foreigners with Permanent Resident or Naturalized Citizen Rights. Native Thais are Thai Citizens so are not Migrants or Immigrants !

 

A British carpenter from Hull who relocates to Devon is not any type of “Migrant”.! Migrants are all Foreigners. Natives & Immigrants are all Citizens.

Incorrect, see e.g. earlier definition. For Phuket migrant workers are workers coming from other areas than Phuket. A foreigner living and working on Phuket would not be considered a migrant worker, a Thai moving to Phuket for work from isaan would be considered a migrant worker.

Here it looks like the spread came from non foreign migrant workers.

Edited September 19, 2021 by stevenl

[Jai Dee]

Several posts containing petty bickering have been removed.

[ChipButty]

Is it spreading even more? I know 3 Thai people this week to test positive in the area I live all 3 have been double jabbed 

[Taboo2]

I do hope they take action on this surge...especially for Pregnant women.  So many are dying.  

[3NUMBAS]

LOS will become the HUB of variants one day soon