The Infectious Nature of Misinformaton

[Jeffr2]

1 minute ago, WhiteBuffaloATM said:

not interested in your request Chomper. I’ll accept your apparent opinion that CNN are just peachy……

on all subjects…..though how people can follow their low grade presenters is beyond me ……

No one here said CNN was peachy. Just you. All media outlets are biased. Sadly Fox is a major purveyor of misinformation via their opinion hosts.

 

Hopefully you understand the difference between news and opinion hosts? And to say CNN are lower than Fox's is incorrect.

[LetsGoBrandon]

7 minutes ago, Jeffr2 said:

Trust in media outlets dropped by almost 50% after Trump's relentless lies about them. Mostly among his base.

I don't think you can blame everything on the orange man. Was just looking at some viewership figures

for all the cable news channels. All of them struggle to notch up even a million vowers a week.

I would say it's the media's fault as they've been caught lying and making up stories. It's the cry wolf story being played out...just about no thinking person believes them after all the lies they have told.

[WhiteBuffaloATM]

not a single specific criticism of CNN === Peachy !

[ozimoron]

2 minutes ago, LetsGoBrandon said:

I don't think you can blame everything on the orange man. Was just looking at some viewership figures

for all the cable news channels. All of them struggle to notch up even a million vowers a week.

I would say it's the media's fault as they've been caught lying and making up stories. It's the cry wolf story being played out...just about no thinking person believes them after all the lies they have told.

Sadly, it seems that there are enough non thinking people that it's highly profitable to lie and make up stories. Fox suffered a ratings drop after being to first in announcing that Trump lost Arizona. Since then, they have learned their lesson and gone full wingnut again in order to restore their ratings. The strategy appears to be working.

[LetsGoBrandon]

The pattern is to publish/broadcast a massive lie on the front page and create an absolute outrage.

Then get caught and three days later print a small retraction that no one sees.

And this is repeated on a  loop.

[LarrySR]

3 minutes ago, LetsGoBrandon said:

I don't think you can blame everything on the orange man. Was just looking at some viewership figures

for all the cable news channels. All of them struggle to notch up even a million vowers a week.

I would say it's the media's fault as they've been caught lying and making up stories. It's the cry wolf story being played out...just about no thinking person believes them after all the lies they have told.

Fox has spectacular ratings while the CNN, ABC, NBC, ETC  otherwise known as mainstream media have lower ratings.

A significant percentage of Republicans will only watch Fox or their right wing copycats like OAN, NewsMax, hence the high ratings.

Democrats on average view a dozen or more different news sources, otherwise known as fact checking, hence the low ratings for said networks.

 

 

[LetsGoBrandon]

I think they are all in the dumpster for ratings. Fox too.

Personally I don't think people want 24 hour news.

3 bulletins a day is more than enough

[Chomper Higgot]

1 hour ago, LetsGoBrandon said:

When The Lancet does it, it's a genuine mistake though. ????

 

https://theconversation.com/lancet-gate-in-the-covid-19-pandemic-era-is-it-alright-for-science-to-be-wrong-140715

Here we have a false equivalence.

 

An error made during conducting good faith research is not the same thing as deliberately creating and then disseminating misinformation.

 

Note too the response to criticism of the research, withdrawal and investigation.

 

Not doubling down or ignoring.

 

 

[LetsGoBrandon]

Just now, Chomper Higgot said:

Here we have a false equivalence.

 

An error made during conducting good faith research is not the same thing as deliberately creating and then disseminating misinformation.

 

Note too the response to criticism of the research, withdrawal and investigation.

 

Not doubling down or ignoring.

 

 

as noted previously, when a "credible" source on the green list does it, it's false equiwhatever.

[Chomper Higgot]

25 minutes ago, WhiteBuffaloATM said:

not a single specific criticism of CNN === Peachy !

The floor is yours.

 

Hive us some examples of CNN spreading misinformation on COVID, vaccines or the public health measures to combat COVID.

 

Or admit you’ve got nothing.

[Chomper Higgot]

3 minutes ago, LetsGoBrandon said:

as noted previously, when a "credible" source on the green list does it, it's false equiwhatever.

Does what?

 

The false equivalence you brought up is not defined by who did what but by the fact one made a mistake and corrected the mistake while the second consistently purveys misleading information.

 

 

[Jeffr2]

3 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

The floor is yours.

 

Hive us some examples of CNN spreading misinformation on COVID, vaccines or the public health measures to combat COVID.

 

Or admit you’ve got nothing.

That was asked before. Crickets.

[Chomper Higgot]

Just now, Jeffr2 said:

That was asked before. Crickets.

And deserves to be asked again until he backs up his repeated assertions.

 

 

[Jeffr2]

27 minutes ago, LarrySR said:

Fox has spectacular ratings while the CNN, ABC, NBC, ETC  otherwise known as mainstream media have lower ratings.

A significant percentage of Republicans will only watch Fox or their right wing copycats like OAN, NewsMax, hence the high ratings.

Democrats on average view a dozen or more different news sources, otherwise known as fact checking, hence the low ratings for said networks.

 

 

Sad commentary on the intelligence of viewers in the US.

 

Stunning is that 60% of Republicans believe in the big lie. Not very smart people.

[LetsGoBrandon]

CNN hosts Fauci, Wallensky, Leana Wen and a whole bunch of others who issue

pronouncements. Then we find those statements are false and nothing is corrected.

They constantly carry on like all is well with the vax while heartbreaking stories of vax injury come to light almost every hour.

 

I think CNN's ratings prove how utterly poor they are at their job. People know.

Edited October 7, 2021 by LetsGoBrandon

[WhiteBuffaloATM]

not a single specific criticism of CNN or Equal === Peachy ! no other possible conclusion, is there ?

subject earlier closed from my side…..

tedious repeated requests I ‘ve already refused.

my requests ignored….asserted very little…. questioned much….mostly answered , thanks.

[ozimoron]

2 minutes ago, WhiteBuffaloATM said:

not a single specific criticism of CNN or Equal === Peachy ! no other possible conclusion, is there ?

They need to commit a fairly egregious breach to warrant criticism really. Could you imagine this happening at Fox?

 

https://money.cnn.com/2017/06/26/media/cnn-announcement-retracted-article/index.html

 

[Jeffr2]

18 minutes ago, LetsGoBrandon said:

CNN hosts Fauci, Wallensky, Leana Wen and a whole bunch of others who issue

pronouncements. Then we find those statements are false and nothing is corrected.

They constantly carry on like all is well with the vax while heartbreaking stories of vax injury come to light almost every hour.

 

I think CNN's ratings prove how utterly poor they are at their job. People know.

Fauci has not issued false statements. Unless you believe the lies from the fake news right wing media outlets.

 

You are 100% wrong here.  Did scientists make changes to their opinions with regards to the virus and the vaccine?  Yes. Because they learned more about it, and it changed. And in the beginning, the US administration did everything it could to down play things.

[Jeffr2]

18 minutes ago, WhiteBuffaloATM said:

not a single specific criticism of CNN or Equal === Peachy ! no other possible conclusion, is there ?

subject earlier closed from my side…..

tedious repeated requests I ‘ve already refused.

my requests ignored….asserted very little…. questioned much….mostly answered , thanks.

No links to backup your opinion. Crickets.

[Chomper Higgot]

5 hours ago, LetsGoBrandon said:

CNN hosts Fauci, Wallensky, Leana Wen and a whole bunch of others who issue

pronouncements. Then we find those statements are false and nothing is corrected.

They constantly carry on like all is well with the vax while heartbreaking stories of vax injury come to light almost every hour.

 

I think CNN's ratings prove how utterly poor they are at their job. People know.

There have been 723,683 deaths from COVID since the first COVID death on Feb 6 2020 (609 days ago).

 

That’s an average of 1,188 deaths per day or 50 per hour.

 

If you had evidence of verifiable hourly reports  of injury from the vaccine you’d post it.

 

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

 

 

[Chomper Higgot]

5 hours ago, WhiteBuffaloATM said:

not a single specific criticism of CNN or Equal === Peachy ! no other possible conclusion, is there ?

subject earlier closed from my side…..

tedious repeated requests I ‘ve already refused.

my requests ignored….asserted very little…. questioned much….mostly answered , thanks.

If you can’t produce evidence of CNN spreading misinformation on COVID, vaccines or public health measures to combat COVID quit your baseless bleating.

 

 

[codemonkey]

1 hour ago, Chomper Higgot said:

There have been 723,683 deaths from COVID since the first COVID death on Feb 6 2020 (609 days ago).

 

That’s an average of 1,188 deaths per day or 50 per hour.

 

If you had evidence of verifiable hourly reports  of injury from the vaccine you’d post it.

 

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

 

 

A lot of covid deaths, you may have also noticed more people died so far in 2021 of covid than all of year 2020, and NO ONE was vaccinated in 2020.

[Jeffr2]

1 hour ago, Chomper Higgot said:

There have been 723,683 deaths from COVID since the first COVID death on Feb 6 2020 (609 days ago).

 

That’s an average of 1,188 deaths per day or 50 per hour.

 

If you had evidence of verifiable hourly reports  of injury from the vaccine you’d post it.

 

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

 

 

And we know that number is low. As confirmed by most nations. Along with the several that don't even report.

[Jeffr2]

2 minutes ago, codemonkey said:

A lot of covid deaths, you may have also noticed more people died so far in 2021 of covid than all of year 2020, and NO ONE was vaccinated in 2020.

Umm....it didn't really take off globally in the first part of 2020. The delta variant wasn't around. And most countries admitted that initially,they couldn't test for covid, so couldn't classify the deaths as such.

 

A very small percentage of the global population is currently vaccinated.

[ozimoron]

36 minutes ago, codemonkey said:

A lot of covid deaths, you may have also noticed more people died so far in 2021 of covid than all of year 2020, and NO ONE was vaccinated in 2020.

does that mean the vaccines cause more deaths?

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10 hours ago, WhiteBuffaloATM said:

“Many conservative media outlets are spreading misinformation. That's a proven fact.”

 

This keeps repeating.Never disputed that. But not everything they say is a Lie, is it ?

And Fox etc.admit their politics, unlike the dishonest CNN etc, who insidiously claim to be “Impartial”.

Left wing media “clean as a whistle” then, are they ?

They do admit it? Where would that be? Like the time they came clean when they fired the guy  who called Arizona for Trump and others involved in that call?

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1 hour ago, codemonkey said:

A lot of covid deaths, you may have also noticed more people died so far in 2021 of covid than all of year 2020, and NO ONE was vaccinated in 2020.

Vaccinations started in mid December. Only a very small percentage of the population had been vaccinated when the biggest surge peaked. And what don't you understand about the fact that the overwhelming majority of covid deaths now are among the unvaccinated? Why is that so difficult for you? Ideologically blinded much?

[cdemundo]

12 hours ago, LetsGoBrandon said:

I don't have a peer reviewed paper to back this but I think public trust in corporate media sources,

medical professionals, science figureheads and government officials is at an all-time low.

 

How do I know?

 

Just a wild guess.

It does seem like that, but there are some things to consider.

 

In the past it was your grouchy older relatives or the bloviating know-it-all at work or in the pub that you heard from.

So your exposure was limited and the person's audience was limited.

 

Now with social media every loudmouth has an audience bigger than Abraham Lincoln ever had.

 

I do think your original observation is true but these factors make it seem worse.

 

 

 

[LetsGoBrandon]

5 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

If you had evidence of verifiable hourly reports  of injury from the vaccine you’d post it.

Wow!

 

If you have an afternoon to spare check out reddit (r/vaccinated) and read through the many

injuries reported there. 

 

Unless you think they're all lying and this is just a huge conspiracy.

 

Just because complicit media outlets and tech platforms throttle what's going on doesn't mean it isn't.

 

This should not devolve into a case of my truth matters and everyone else can go to hell. 

[frantick]

For all you CNN/MSNBC lovers out there, try Breaking Points on YouTube. One anchor center left, one center right. Although they don't seem to be doing any investigative journalism, very few MSM outlets do anymore either. They at least can present a topic without all the Don Lemon, Rachelle Maddow hystrionics.

Edited October 7, 2021 by frantick
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