The Infectious Nature of Misinformaton

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24 minutes ago, frantick said:

For all you CNN/MSNBC lovers out there, try Breaking Points on YouTube. One anchor center left, one center right. Although they don't seem to be doing any investigative journalism, very few MSM outlets do anymore either. They at least can present a topic without all the Don Lemon, Rachelle Maddow hystrionics.

All those who depend on videos for their information should  read more, watch videos less. It's a lot easier to fact check the written word. 

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39 minutes ago, LetsGoBrandon said:

Wow!

 

If you have an afternoon to spare check out reddit (r/vaccinated) and read through the many

injuries reported there. 

 

Unless you think they're all lying and this is just a huge conspiracy.

 

Just because complicit media outlets and tech platforms throttle what's going on doesn't mean it isn't.

 

This should not devolve into a case of my truth matters and everyone else can go to hell. 

And this is your idea of statistically valid evidence? Self reported, unvetted claims of injuries?. Journals that publish scientific research are also media. Are they also part  of the  conspiracy?

[cdemundo]

59 minutes ago, LetsGoBrandon said:

Wow!

 

If you have an afternoon to spare check out reddit (r/vaccinated) and read through the many

injuries reported there. 

 

Unless you think they're all lying and this is just a huge conspiracy.

 

Just because complicit media outlets and tech platforms throttle what's going on doesn't mean it isn't.

 

This should not devolve into a case of my truth matters and everyone else can go to hell. 

If you take all the VAERS reports, completely unfiltered, and place it as the numerator over the number of vaccinations administered you get a vanishingly small number.

And since VAERS is completely unfiltered and unverified the actual adverse events are even fewer.

It's a case of comparative risk, there is a very small risk of adverse effects from vaccination, you have to compare to the risk of getting COVID.

 

[Jeffr2]

1 hour ago, LetsGoBrandon said:

Wow!

 

If you have an afternoon to spare check out reddit (r/vaccinated) and read through the many

injuries reported there. 

 

Unless you think they're all lying and this is just a huge conspiracy.

 

Just because complicit media outlets and tech platforms throttle what's going on doesn't mean it isn't.

 

This should not devolve into a case of my truth matters and everyone else can go to hell. 

 

54 minutes ago, frantick said:

For all you CNN/MSNBC lovers out there, try Breaking Points on YouTube. One anchor center left, one center right. Although they don't seem to be doing any investigative journalism, very few MSM outlets do anymore either. They at least can present a topic without all the Don Lemon, Rachelle Maddow hystrionics.

Get away from social media !!! Jeez. You guys really do fall for the lies.

[Chomper Higgot]

18 hours ago, LetsGoBrandon said:

I don't have a peer reviewed paper to back this but I think public trust in corporate media sources,

medical professionals, science figureheads and government officials is at an all-time low.

 

How do I know?

 

Just a wild guess.

It depends where you are looking and at which part of the society you are looking at.

 

The efforts to undermine faith in science, the media, government come from a particular source and have a particular following.

 

Those amongst that particular following who have chosen not to vaccinate are disproportionately being dealt with by the virus.

 

Dead is the new stupid.

[Chomper Higgot]

9 hours ago, codemonkey said:

A lot of covid deaths, you may have also noticed more people died so far in 2021 of covid than all of year 2020, and NO ONE was vaccinated in 2020.

You’ve heard about the very much more virulent COVID Delta Strain?

 

Look it up.

[Chomper Higgot]

5 hours ago, LetsGoBrandon said:

Wow!

 

If you have an afternoon to spare check out reddit (r/vaccinated) and read through the many

injuries reported there. 

 

Unless you think they're all lying and this is just a huge conspiracy.

 

Just because complicit media outlets and tech platforms throttle what's going on doesn't mean it isn't.

 

This should not devolve into a case of my truth matters and everyone else can go to hell. 

Like I said, if you had evidence, you’d post it.

[cdemundo]

17 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

I’ll ask you again.

 

Please provide examples of CNN and or any other left of center mainstream news source spreading misinformation wrt COVID, vaccines or the public health measures to combat COVID.

 

 

 

 

I don't have cable so I see the 3 US networks a lot, NBC, CBS, ABC.

They have bent over backwards to give a forum to anti-vaxxers as far as man-in-the street type interviews.

Also in the (unscripted?) anchor chatter they discuss the anti-vax crazy ideas as of they are reasonable.

There is a female anchor on CBS I find the worst at this.

They don't report falsehoods so much as cover opinions of unqualified anti-vaxxers with the same frequency and air time as actual knowledgeable people. 

I guess they gotta sell stuff to those idiots too so they want to kiss up to them.

 

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[LarrySR]

9 hours ago, codemonkey said:

A lot of covid deaths, you may have also noticed more people died so far in 2021 of covid than all of year 2020, and NO ONE was vaccinated in 2020.

 

Exponential growth of a virus accelerates over time. 

Some people just aren't very good at math & may explain why they underestimate the dangers of coronavirus, shunning social distancing, masks and hand-washing.

 

If you invest just $1 today, and it doubles every 3 days, your balance in 3 months would be exactly $1,048,576.

Within a further 30 days, you’d have earned more than a $billion.

By the end of the year, you’d have more than $1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 – an “undecillion” dollars.

 

Are you getting it now?

[Chomper Higgot]

1 hour ago, cdemundo said:

I don't have cable so I see the 3 US networks a lot, NBC, CBS, ABC.

They have bent over backwards to give a forum to anti-vaxxers as far as man-in-the street type interviews.

Also in the (unscripted?) anchor chatter they discuss the anti-vax crazy ideas as of they are reasonable.

There is a female anchor on CBS I find the worst at this.

They don't report falsehoods so much as cover opinions of unqualified anti-vaxxers with the same frequency and air time as actual knowledgeable people. 

I guess they gotta sell stuff to those idiots too so they want to kiss up to them.

 

This is a problem with the idea of broadcasting ‘balanced opinion’.

 

Not all opinions are equal, some are utter nonsense, some border in lunacy and some are downright dangerous.

 

It is not ‘balance’ to air opinions that have no basis in fact or are for any other reason misinformed.

 

 

[frantick]

8 hours ago, Jeffr2 said:

 

Get away from social media !!! Jeez. You guys really do fall for the lies.

OK, I get it now. You're old. Go back to your Rachelle Maddow and The View. 

 

There are many fine podcasts covering news and other topics these days, as well as sites with the written word. These are the reason MSM are losing viewership. 

 

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14 minutes ago, frantick said:

OK, I get it now. You're old. Go back to your Rachelle Maddow and The View. 

 

There are many fine podcasts covering news and other topics these days, as well as sites with the written word. These are the reason MSM are losing viewership. 

 

Occasionally someone osts videos from those sites or links. Almost invariably, they are at odds with what scientific research actually show. Last night someone posted nonsense from someone who claimed that the mRNA vaccines actually damage the T cell system. He cited a study that only suggested as an outside possibility that vaccines might do this. The author of the study called this clown on his BS. A new study actually showed that the mRNA a vaccines primed the T cell system against covid. So, no, it's not the MSM where the real source of your problem is.. It's a thing called Science that's the real source of your difficulties.

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[frantick]

58 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Occasionally someone osts videos from those sites or links. Almost invariably, they are at odds with what scientific research actually show. Last night someone posted nonsense from someone who claimed that the mRNA vaccines actually damage the T cell system. He cited a study that only suggested as an outside possibility that vaccines might do this. The author of the study called this clown on his BS. A new study actually showed that the mRNA a vaccines primed the T cell system against covid. So, no, it's not the MSM where the real source of your problem is.. It's a thing called Science that's the real source of your difficulties.

Obviously you didn't check out my recommendation. They don't spew non-scientific diatribe. Don't attribute "someone posted" to what I posted. 

[cdemundo]

1 hour ago, frantick said:

 

 

1 hour ago, frantick said:

OK, I get it now. You're old. Go back to your Rachelle Maddow and The View. 

 

There are many fine podcasts covering news and other topics these days, as well as sites with the written word. These are the reason MSM are losing viewership. 

 

"There are many fine podcasts covering news and other topics these days"

 

You should check some out.

I recommend "Bill Gates and Rashida Jones Ask Big Questions".

 

Maybe you would learn not to make posts like "OK, I get it now. You're old. Go back to your Rachelle Maddow and The View." which show a tendency to make assumptions about people about whom you know nothing; and to make personal attacks instead of addressing the content of your disagreements.

[Jeffr2]

1 hour ago, frantick said:

OK, I get it now. You're old. Go back to your Rachelle Maddow and The View. 

 

There are many fine podcasts covering news and other topics these days, as well as sites with the written word. These are the reason MSM are losing viewership. 

 

What? Social media is known to be full of misinformation. Seems you've fallen for it.

 

If you follow my comments, you'll remember that I don't watch any opinion shows. None.

 

Ok. I'll bite. What's a good podcast? Name a few. I follow quite a few. Though rarely.

[Rimmer]

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52 minutes ago, frantick said:

Obviously you didn't check out my recommendation. They don't spew non-scientific diatribe. Don't attribute "someone posted" to what I posted. 

Which recommendations would those be? I tried clicking on this but nothing happened.  

"There are many fine podcasts covering news and other topics these days, as well as sites with the written word."

 

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[Jeffr2]

15 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Which recommendations would those be? I tried clicking on this but nothing happened.  

"There are many fine podcasts covering news and other topics these days, as well as sites with the written word."

 

Wouldn't doubt if he mentioned Joe Rogan. A total nutter.

[CharlieH]

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[LarrySR]

Fox continues it's relentless attacks on Dr. Faucci in their pandemic misinformation campaign. 

The USAs chief expert on pandemics has had to employ security for himself and even his family have been threatened by the goofballs that watch Fox and believe the nonsense they are being fed.

 

 

[Odysseus123]

1 hour ago, LarrySR said:

Fox continues it's relentless attacks on Dr. Faucci in their pandemic misinformation campaign. 

Yes....sadly one has to conclude that Rupert Murdoch is probably the most powerful man on the planet.

It is not the first time that media barons have wielded excessive power..one thinks of Hearst,Northcliffe,Beaverbrook et al in their day but not right across the entire media board on such a grand scale.

Of Alfred Harmsworth,Lord Northcliffe it has been said,"presenting stories as entertainment and by blurring the difference between news and views, Northcliffe titillated, if he did not debouch, the public mind; he polluted, if he did not poison, the wells of knowledge.^[36]

^{Piers Brendon,Wikipedia.}

 

Sound familiar?

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[cdemundo]

20 hours ago, Jeffr2 said:

Wouldn't doubt if he mentioned Joe Rogan. A total nutter.

Right, an entertainer who says controversial stuff to get listeners.

[WhiteBuffaloATM]

focus on what we DO know. we know Enough already to determine near zero “ long term effects”, etc earths core may stop spinning today.

we don’t “ wait” to progress science, we dont die when the prevention means is to hand.

[Chomper Higgot]

2 minutes ago, WhiteBuffaloATM said:

focus on what we DO know. we know Enough already to determine near zero “ long term effects”, etc earths core may stop spinning today.

we don’t “ wait” to progress science, we dont die when the prevention means is to hand.

Unfortunately many don’t so much ‘wait’ as completely forgo vaccines and they do so in the basis of lies and other misinformation.

 

Remember the nativity of only worrying about what the internet was doing to the minds of our children?!

[WhiteBuffaloATM]

word “vaccine” is defined by current consensus of specialist scientists.

not by your dusty 1970s  version of Websters. 

also note that vax is “ experimental” only until conclusion of mandated clinical trials.

these trials all long since done so now so vax is “ approved” .

these are scientific processes which I know are confusing to all you pseudo science anti- vaxx nutters out there…..note that QAnon and Joe Rogan’s Podcast are not recognized scientific institutes…..

[Chomper Higgot]

Here’s how Facebook users can take a peep into the misinformation bubble many are living in.

 

Scroll through comments to fb posts (below news items is a good place to look) until you find posts that are clearly anti-vaccine and/or are on the far right wing, now visit the fb page of the people making these posts.

 

You’ll find yourself in a twisted idea of reality.

 

But that’s where millions of people live and that’s where millions get their views and have their views validated.

 

 

 

 

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[cdemundo]

14 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Here’s how Facebook users can take a peep into the misinformation bubble many are living in.

 

Scroll through comments to fb posts (below news items is a good place to look) until you find posts that are clearly anti-vaccine and/or are on the far right wing, now visit the fb page of the people making these posts.

 

You’ll find yourself in a twisted idea of reality.

 

But that’s where millions of people live and that’s where millions get their views and have their views validated.

 

 

 

 

The picture can be seen of anti-vaxxers mindset going through vaccine denial, anti-vax memes and jokes, to hospitalization and application of paralytics and organ failures, to begging for prayers from prayer warriors, to family begging for gofundme contributions for funeral and hospital expenses. Look for the Herman Cain awards on reddit. If you wonder what a bad case of COVID is like look at this reddit you can see what people go through.

[codemonkey]

Misinformation is pretty routine these days. It's everywhere.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/associated-press-strikes-out-in-school-board-domestic-terrorists-fact-check/ar-AAPfLsW

 

[Chomper Higgot]

2 hours ago, codemonkey said:

Misinformation is pretty routine these days. It's everywhere.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/associated-press-strikes-out-in-school-board-domestic-terrorists-fact-check/ar-AAPfLsW

 

A bunch of anti mask, rightwing  anti-people blue health measures lunatics make statements claiming school boards have requested Biden label parents who campaign for rightwing anti-mask, anti-public health measures lunacy to be labeled ‘Domestic Terrorists’.

 

AP Publish this as fact without checking the truth.

 

That’s poor editorial control, and while it’s shoddy journalism it is not the same thing as rightwing media outlets themselves continuously inventing and disseminating false information under editorial policy.

[Jeffr2]

17 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

A bunch of anti mask, rightwing  anti-people blue health measures lunatics make statements claiming school boards have requested Biden label parents who campaign for rightwing anti-mask, anti-public health measures lunacy to be labeled ‘Domestic Terrorists’.

 

AP Publish this as fact without checking the truth.

 

That’s poor editorial control, and while it’s shoddy journalism it is not the same thing as rightwing media outlets themselves continuously inventing and disseminating false information under editorial policy.

It's a fake news report from a super dodgy website. It's a link through. Misleading as heck. Stunning so many fall for that, believe it, and apparently, like this junk. Boggles my mind.