ozimoron Posted November 18, 2021 Share Posted November 18, 2021 2 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said: The better quality video footage shows that Kyle was raising his arm in a friendly manor , rather than him raising and pointing his gun . To the police, not the protesters. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mac Mickmanus Posted November 18, 2021 Share Posted November 18, 2021 1 minute ago, ozimoron said: To the police, not the protesters. No, it was to the protestors outside the car lot before the shootings 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post ozimoron Posted November 18, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted November 18, 2021 Just now, Mac Mickmanus said: No, it was to the protestors outside the car lot before the shootings Such a friendly person was set upon by a angry mob of killers for no apparent reason or provocation? Nobody believes that except apologists for domestic terrorists and fascist vigilantes. 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albaby Posted November 18, 2021 Share Posted November 18, 2021 2 minutes ago, ozimoron said: To the police, not the protesters. To who is not an issue. He was not threatening anyone. Capisce? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuckAurelius Posted November 18, 2021 Share Posted November 18, 2021 3 minutes ago, ozimoron said: While the circumstances surrounding the video are controversial there is no doubt that it shows Rittenhouse pointing his rifle at the crowd as alleged by the prosecution. Whether fair or unfair, the truth is the truth. You're seeing something there because you want to see it. I've seen the footage and it's about as indubitable as a blackhole singularity. The original Super Mario Brothers had sharper resolution. It shows nothing meaningful, one way or the other, and people are just seeing something "definite" in it in the same way that all inkblots are butterflies to certain heads. There is certainly nothing even remotely "beyond a reasonable doubt" in it. That's pure self-delusion. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozimoron Posted November 18, 2021 Share Posted November 18, 2021 the Daily Show host Trevor Noah replied: “No one drives to a city with guns because they love someone else’s business so much.” He continued: “They do it because they are hoping to shoot someone. That’s the only reason people like him join these gangs in the first place – yes, I said it, a gang – because this is not the battle of Yorktown, it’s a bunch of dudes threatening people with guns.” https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/aug/28/vigilante-volunteer-terrorist-how-us-media-covers-kyle-rittenhouse 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mac Mickmanus Posted November 18, 2021 Share Posted November 18, 2021 3 minutes ago, ozimoron said: Such a friendly person was set upon by a angry mob of killers for no apparent reason or provocation? Nobody believes that except apologists for domestic terrorists and fascist vigilantes. You know very well why he got chased , as everyone does . Why pretend to be ignorant ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozimoron Posted November 18, 2021 Share Posted November 18, 2021 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said: You know very well why he got chased , as everyone does . Why pretend to be ignorant ? No person has provided any rationale with evidence as to why he was singled out and chased other than as I have explained. Edited November 18, 2021 by ozimoron 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mac Mickmanus Posted November 18, 2021 Share Posted November 18, 2021 3 minutes ago, ozimoron said: No person has provided any rationale with evidence as to why he was singled out and chased other than as I have explained. OK, lets go back to the beginning and let me explain . He got chased because he shot the first guy . First guy threatened to kill Kyle , Kyle shot him and then the mob chased him as he was running to the Police lines 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebike Posted November 18, 2021 Share Posted November 18, 2021 6 hours ago, Mac Mickmanus said: Very few sports disorder encompass burning property and looting , This wasnt a normal sports disturbance , it was mass prolonged civil disorder which was out of control It was as rare as any sports riot. And Kenosha was as long as any sports riot which gets out of control. The analogy is perfect, but your world-view won't let you see it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mac Mickmanus Posted November 18, 2021 Share Posted November 18, 2021 1 minute ago, mikebike said: It was as rare as any sports riot. And Kenosha was as long as any sports riot which gets out of control. The analogy is perfect, but your world-view won't let you see it. I do not follow USA sports riots , but if you are saying that USA sports rioters burn and loot and torch businesses for days/nights on end, I will have to take your word for it as I dont read about it on my news sources Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebike Posted November 18, 2021 Share Posted November 18, 2021 6 hours ago, BuckAurelius said: To create a false equivalence between the very occasional rioting that occurs at sports events, and the sort of destruction that typically results from them, and the widespread and repeated wonton destruction that has occurred in American neighborhoods in the last year or so--this seems a tad disingenuous to me. They are not equivalent, not even close. Have you seen the Kenosha footage? But I think we're getting off the original topic, so I'll leave it at that. But they are perfectly equivalent. They occur at about the same rate (actually, in the last decade violent sports riots have been MORE common). And the result in the same looting and destruction. Too bad your biased lens cannot see that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebike Posted November 18, 2021 Share Posted November 18, 2021 6 hours ago, Mac Mickmanus said: I haven't suggested that they should be treated differently Oh... Then I missed your outrage at the Eagles fans... My fault. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mac Mickmanus Posted November 18, 2021 Share Posted November 18, 2021 1 minute ago, mikebike said: Oh... Then I missed your outrage at the Eagles fans... My fault. I have no idea about what happened with any Eagles fans.................I dont even know whether its a musical band or a sports team ...............or could even be people that like the birds Eagles Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebike Posted November 18, 2021 Share Posted November 18, 2021 11 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said: I do not follow USA sports riots , but if you are saying that USA sports rioters burn and loot and torch businesses for days/nights on end, I will have to take your word for it as I dont read about it on my news sources Kenosha did not last for days/nights on end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebike Posted November 18, 2021 Share Posted November 18, 2021 7 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said: I have no idea about what happened with any Eagles fans.................I dont even know whether its a musical band or a sports team ...............or could even be people that like the birds Eagles Too bad. You should educate yourself on how ALL different types of riots are responded to Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuckAurelius Posted November 18, 2021 Share Posted November 18, 2021 2 minutes ago, mikebike said: But they are perfectly equivalent. They occur at about the same rate (actually, in the last decade violent sports riots have been MORE common). And the result in the same looting and destruction. Too bad your biased lens cannot see that In the last "decade" that wouldn't surprise me, if sports riots were more common, since Antifa and the BLM didn't start their rioting frenzy until much later than that. The same looting and destruction? That's certainly not the case in America. I've no idea about football hooliganism since nobody watches football in America. But I seriously doubt that rioting at sports events, at least in America, has cost the country at least 1 billion dollars in damage, or even a fraction of that, and took place in over 140 cities, and lasted for days, even weeks on end. False equivalence, even absurd, move on. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WingFat Posted November 18, 2021 Share Posted November 18, 2021 At the very least, he should be found guilty of weapons charges. For the other charges, he went looking for trouble and he found it. Walking around with a weapon in a volatile setting is pretty stupid, unless he had a good reason for doing so, and it appears he didn't. I hope at least reckless endangerment or manslaughter. I don't think he went out looking to murder anyone but he sure needs to be held accountable for his very poor judgement. An important issue about all this is why are these riots allowed to go on ? Last summer was violent anarchy in many cities in the US and nothing much was done about it at the time. Using the excuse of bad cops shooting people does not justify it just as Rittenhouse is not justified in going around playing a pudgy Rambo. Law and order must apply to all sides. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mac Mickmanus Posted November 18, 2021 Share Posted November 18, 2021 4 minutes ago, mikebike said: Kenosha did not last for days/nights on end. The street disturbances/riots began on August 23 rd , continued on the 24 th and also on the 25 th when the shootings in question occurred 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WingFat Posted November 18, 2021 Share Posted November 18, 2021 46 minutes ago, ozimoron said: the Daily Show host Trevor Noah replied: “No one drives to a city with guns because they love someone else’s business so much.” He continued: “They do it because they are hoping to shoot someone. That’s the only reason people like him join these gangs in the first place – yes, I said it, a gang – because this is not the battle of Yorktown, it’s a bunch of dudes threatening people with guns.” https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/aug/28/vigilante-volunteer-terrorist-how-us-media-covers-kyle-rittenhouse Sorry...Trevor Noah is hardly an unbiased source. If one needs to be in a city that has a high crime rate, having a legal and properly handled weapon is justified. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WingFat Posted November 18, 2021 Share Posted November 18, 2021 On 11/16/2021 at 6:05 PM, Jeffr2 said: Doesn't seem you understand why they were protesting. I'm guessing you're a white guy. "I'm guessing you're a white guy."....I'm not guessing, but I am quite sure you are a racist. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fjb 24 Posted November 18, 2021 Share Posted November 18, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, Mac Mickmanus said: deleted Edited November 18, 2021 by fjb 24 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozimoron Posted November 18, 2021 Share Posted November 18, 2021 1 hour ago, sqwakvfr said: If the victims are white and the suspect is white then why is BLM there? Just maybe some white people support the BLM? It was a BLM protest march. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozimoron Posted November 18, 2021 Share Posted November 18, 2021 1 hour ago, Mac Mickmanus said: OK, lets go back to the beginning and let me explain . He got chased because he shot the first guy . First guy threatened to kill Kyle , Kyle shot him and then the mob chased him as he was running to the Police lines That fails to explain why the first guy threatened Rittenhouse much less any evidence to that effect. Where is it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozimoron Posted November 18, 2021 Share Posted November 18, 2021 1 hour ago, Mac Mickmanus said: OK, lets go back to the beginning and let me explain . He got chased because he shot the first guy . First guy threatened to kill Kyle , Kyle shot him and then the mob chased him as he was running to the Police lines That fails to explain why the first guy threatened Rittenhouse much less any evidence to that effect. Where is it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mac Mickmanus Posted November 18, 2021 Share Posted November 18, 2021 2 minutes ago, ozimoron said: That fails to explain why the first guy threatened Rittenhouse much less any evidence to that effect. Where is it? On the internet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozimoron Posted November 18, 2021 Share Posted November 18, 2021 Just now, Mac Mickmanus said: On the internet that's right, you got nothing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fjb 24 Posted November 18, 2021 Share Posted November 18, 2021 1 hour ago, ozimoron said: The defense has said they would have changed their story That's inaccurate. Can you show proof of this claim "defense...change their story...". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozimoron Posted November 18, 2021 Share Posted November 18, 2021 Just now, fjb 24 said: That's inaccurate. Can you show proof of this claim "defense...change their story...". try reading the links I provide Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mac Mickmanus Posted November 18, 2021 Share Posted November 18, 2021 2 minutes ago, ozimoron said: that's right, you got nothing I have knowledge of reading about the case online Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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