Thai health officials told to discover why many still refuse to get vaccinated

[webfact]

 

The Ministry of Public Health has instructed health officials across Thailand to find out why there are still so many people refusing to get vaccinated against COVID-19, so appropriate campaign strategies and incentives can be developed to encourage them to get inoculated, said Permanent Secretary Dr. Kiattibhoom Vongrachit.

 

The Public Health Ministry has set a target to have administered 100 million doses of vaccines by the end of this month, but there are still about 10 million people who are yet to get their first dose.

 

The ministry has launched a vaccination campaign by providing free vaccinations from November 27th to December 5th to members of the public, including foreign migrant workers and especially elderly people and bed-ridden patients.

 

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[Thailand]

If it begins with Sino something it's a no no, quite simple.

[tonray]

I don't know about this...there are always going to be some in any society that don't conform...I was in Central Westgate yesterday and they had lines snaking across 3 floors for vaccinations...the most I have ever seen queuing up....I think people are definitely willing except for a small minority that exists everywhere...it's just that Thailand is used to seeing 99.99 % conformist behavior among it's befuddled populace controlled thru religion and 'other' institutions. Maybe it's a good sign that Thai people are showing the same kind of independence and challenge to authority that is the hallmark of all true democracies.

[Eric Loh]

Just victims of misinformation from ill-intended people. 

[tomacht8]

Another reason is that there are not enough different vaccines available. China vax doesn't have the best reputation. It is also about the international recognition of vaccines, especially if you want to travel abroad. You can also ask aNutin, he has firsthand experience.

[mokwit]

13 minutes ago, Eric Loh said:

Just victims of misinformation from ill-intended people. 

What's your informed opinion on mRNA vaccines and Sino vaccines?

[sanuk711]

Offer them a T-Shirt....... 2 if they take Sinovac..................

 

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[webfact]

Find the missing TEN MILLION and get them jabbed - Thailand hunts the unvaccinated

 

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Thailand is determined to vaccinate what have been described as the missing ten million.

 

These are people who are either hesitant, outright anti-vaxxers or people who have been unable to get even a single Covid-19 jab. 

 

In order for the country to achieve its aim of 100 million doses by the end of the year and targets of as close to 100% first dose as possible, the Ministry of Public Health are mobilizing its forces to target the missing 10 million.

 

Official Kiatphoom  Wongjarit told TNN that persuasion would be used.

 

But there would also be a mild threat that those not vaccinated would be unable to do things that the vaccinated can.

 

This measure is been seen widely across Europe to get hesitant people and outright anti-vaxxers jabbed for the benefit of the majority. 

 

Austria is even going the full hog in demanding that everyone is vaccinated as a legal requirement after a huge spike in cases there. 

 

Thailand is yet to suggest such measures with persuasion still the buzzword. 

 

But as the country opens and cases of infection could reasonably be expected to spike again as in Europe and elsewhere, the Thai authorities may get more dynamic, suggest ASEAN NOW.

 

For now it's "softly-softly" but with a government that has been seen to unleash draconian measures on the people with extended curfews and emergency decrees, anything could be possible. 

 

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[tonray]

10 minutes ago, webfact said:

Find the missing TEN MILLION and get them jabbed - Thailand hunts the unvaccinated

 

File photo

 

Thailand is determined to vaccinate what have been described as the missing ten million.

 

These are people who are either hesitant, outright anti-vaxxers or people who have been unable to get even a single Covid-19 jab. 

 

In order for the country to achieve its aim of 100 million doses by the end of the year and targets of as close to 100% first dose as possible, the Ministry of Public Health are mobilizing its forces to target the missing 10 million.

 

Official Kiatphoom  Wongjarit told TNN that persuasion would be used.

 

But there would also be a mild threat that those not vaccinated would be unable to do things that the vaccinated can.

 

This measure is been seen widely across Europe to get hesitant people and outright anti-vaxxers jabbed for the benefit of the majority. 

 

Austria is even going the full hog in demanding that everyone is vaccinated as a legal requirement after a huge spike in cases there. 

 

Thailand is yet to suggest such measures with persuasion still the buzzword. 

 

But as the country opens and cases of infection could reasonably be expected to spike again as in Europe and elsewhere, the Thai authorities may get more dynamic, suggest ASEAN NOW.

 

For now it's "softly-softly" but with a government that has been seen to unleash draconian measures on the people with extended curfews and emergency decrees, anything could be possible. 

 

Visa-compliant insurance plans that meet the minimum requirement of medical treatment, including COVID-19, up to THB 3m

 

 

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I know one lady (mother of GF)....i'll drop a dime on her for 10,000 baht but not less than that....a man has got expenses

[Eric Loh]

1 hour ago, mokwit said:

What's your informed opinion on mRNA vaccines and Sino vaccines?

Whether mRNA or inactivated vaccines, they are efficacious against serious illness and hospitalization. The vaccines will not alter your DNA nor have microchips or other surveillance features which many ill-intended provocateurs are peddling. 

[mokwit]

18 minutes ago, Eric Loh said:

Whether mRNA or inactivated vaccines, they are efficacious against serious illness and hospitalization. The vaccines will not alter your DNA nor have microchips or other surveillance features which many ill-intended provocateurs are peddling. 

How about inflammation of the heart endothelial membrane?

[ikke1959]

You don't need to investigate, you know already.. How many people wanted to have Moderna, or Johnson and Johnson. And what does the Government do?? First jab Sinovac ordering more and more, second Astra because good for the wallet too and than as a booster Pfizer and maybe later next year more Moderna available... The people who don't want 3 kinds of vaccine they will wait and therefor they are not vaccinated yet

[RafPinto]

Please find out, why nobody wants this quality first class product form our chinese friends.

[mahtin]

Wife reports mass vaccination event at the temple across the road today.

Doctor came over and gave bedridden MIL her first jab. FIL double jabbed with AZ already.

[mokwit]

1 hour ago, ikke1959 said:

You don't need to investigate, you know already.. How many people wanted to have Moderna, or Johnson and Johnson. And what does the Government do?? First jab Sinovac ordering more and more, second Astra because good for the wallet too and than as a booster Pfizer and maybe later next year more Moderna available... The people who don't want 3 kinds of vaccine they will wait and therefor they are not vaccinated yet

I don't want mRNA vaccine. AZ is an acceptable risk profile. Sino is not...

Edited November 23, 2021 by onthedarkside
vaccine miisinfo comment removed

[Eric Loh]

15 minutes ago, mokwit said:

How about inflammation of the heart endothelial membrane?

Hundreds of millions of mRNA vaccines have been administered safely in the world. There is no evidence to indicate that the spike proteins generated by human cells following vaccination are a toxin or that they circulate in the body and damage tissues contrary to to what a Canadian virus immunologist claimed. This  claim was picked up by anti-vaxxer organization and widely spread. 

[richard_smith237]

2 hours ago, tomacht8 said:

Another reason is that there are not enough different vaccines available. China vax doesn't have the best reputation. It is also about the international recognition of vaccines, especially if you want to travel abroad. You can also ask aNutin, he has firsthand experience.

SinoPharm and Sinovac are accepted internationally (in most countries).

 

Anutin's 'first hand experience' was a ruse to avoid going to a meeting in Switzerland. 

 

He’s had two doses of Sinovac and an AstraZenica booster. It was claimed by Anutin that this would not be accepted and he would have to quarantine for two weeks if he entered Switzerland so he chose not to go to the ‘WHO meeting’....  

 

However, a Thai Actress *(Ariya A Hargate) was soon targeted by social media asking how she could get into Switzerland (for a personal visit) with only a dual Sinopharm vaccination when Anutin couldn’t, her response was to post the entry requirements of Switzerland online. 

 

Turns out there was nothing official preventing entry for Anutin - he needed to apply for a EU Digital Covid Pass.....  

 

After initial online ridicule that he [Anutin] was ‘refused’ entry things suddenly went quiet in the news and media.

 

Some one has been telling big porkie pies !!!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[RafPinto]

12 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

Anutin couldn’t, her response was to post the entry requirements of Switzerland online. 

 

Turns out there was nothing official preventing entry for Anutin - he needed to apply for a EU Digital Covid Pass.....  

 

After initial online ridicule that he [Anutin] was ‘refused’ entry things suddenly went quiet in the news and media.

No need to go in person to a Swiss bank to  deposit funds.

Can do it online.

 

Or use them.

SCB-Julius Baer Securities Co., Ltd.

[richard_smith237]

1 hour ago, mokwit said:

1 hour ago, Eric Loh said:

Whether mRNA or inactivated vaccines, they are efficacious against serious illness and hospitalization. The vaccines will not alter your DNA nor have microchips or other surveillance features which many ill-intended provocateurs are peddling. 

How about inflammation of the heart endothelial membrane?

The reported cases of temporally associated possible myocarditis/pericarditis were evaluated, many found to be an overestimate of the incidence. IF all the events WERE confirmed as likely vaccination complications the occurrence is 13.5 per million vaccine doses administered.

 

Meanwhile Viral infections are a common cause of acute myocarditis (inflammation of the heart).

Inflammation of the heart endothelial membrane can be caused by several conditions, including diabetes or metabolic syndrome, hypertension, smoking, and physical inactivity.

 

 

 

The point I wish to make here is that concentrating on and cherry picking the rarest of vaccine risk aspects as a reason to avoid a vaccine when the risks from the disease itself by far outweighs the vaccine risk is somewhat myopic, particularly when lifestyle choices weigh in as a far greater risk.

 

 

 

 

 

[mokwit]

12 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

The point I wish to make here is that concentrating on and cherry picking the rarest of vaccine risk aspects as a reason to avoid a vaccine

Appreciate your information, but surely I have the personal right to avoid a certain vaccine? I want to get vaccinated, but would be more comfortable with AZ

[Thaifly88]

It's time for the stick approach now. The carrot approach and explanations as to why people need to be vaccinated has run it's course. All those people are now vaccinated. The remaining recalcitrants need the proverbial stick applied applied to their nether regions to bring them into line with what the community expects of them. If they still choose not to be vaccinated it's absolutely time for ostracism. No access to any public areas including gyms, cinemas, shopping centres, condominiums. They can live like lepers outside the city areas and buy their food at designated roadside stalls. No further extensions to any type of visa's to the unvaccinated needs to be implemented ASAP.  

[Thaifly88]

6 minutes ago, mokwit said:

Appreciate your information, but surely I have the personal right to avoid a certain vaccine? I want to get vaccinated, but would be more comfortable with AZ

whats stopping you getting AZ ?

[connda]

Start here:

If they could truthfully tell the public that the Covid vaccines stop transmission of Covid in its tracks, ends contagion, and paves the path to a return to a full Old Normal society where Covid has been eradicated?  Most people including myself would be lining up.

But that's not the case.  Here is what the population is told:
"The Prime Minister has expressed satisfaction with Thailand’s vaccination rollout and its vaccine regimens that can help reduce severe symptoms and deaths from COVID-19."
The CDC, WHO, and other health agencies no longer claim that vaccination stop transmission or contagion (I personally know people fully vaccinated with mRNA shots who were extremely ill), they are not 'sterilizing vaccines', as such they promote immune escape, the so called "protection" wanes in a short period of time (less than 6 months) and boosters will be required forever - and even if 100% of the population is vaccinated - this never ends and there will never be any going back to Old Normal.
Oh - and then the increase risk of coronary damage: https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/abs/10.1161/circ.144.suppl_1.10712  <shhhh>  Perfectly healthy, fully vaccinated footballers and athletes keeling over with heart issue don't help picture.  That wasn't happening prior to Covid vaccine rollout.  Of course it can be argued that correlation isn't causation - but tell that to the average citizen who simply sees what they see.  Oh - and the perception that the Thai government habitually lies to its citizens (I've no dog in that fight, but I live with Thais and know their views).  And when the government reaches a Covid milestone, they move the goalposts:
(70% vaccinated and we'll have herd immunity; 95% vaccinated and we'll have herd immunity; herd immunity is impossible so 100% need to be vaccinated) or
(The vaccines will stop transmission and contagion, the vaccines will stop you from getting sick, the vaccines "can help reduce severe symptoms and deaths.")
So what changes next?  Keep pushing those goal-posts.
My guess is that the government will eventually go full coercion: "Get the shot or we will lock you in your homes and then hunt you down house by house and jab it into your arms."  Although not publicized on main-stream news, there are currently massive protests globally pushing back against the authoritarian approach that is beginning to rhyme with totalitarian.  And in Thailand there will be a sub-set of the population who will probably explode if it comes down to forced vaccinations.  Just saying.

The question being asked is "Why are people refusing to get the shot?"  Well, there's an answer from someone who will only take the shot under duress.  I'm sure there are more reasons than that.  People have their own reasons.  Mine actually has more to do with my innate distrust of any institutions that seek to silence and censor any and all voices in the scientific community who don't accept the single narrative proposed by the CDC, WHO, and other EU agencies all of which are revolving doors between government regulation and pharmaceutical corporations.  Foxes in the hen-house.
https://fablesofaesop.com/the-hen-and-the-fox-barn.html

In the meanwhile I suggest that the PM read the following old fable by a wise fellow named Aesop.  Just that would probably give him a good start toward what he wishes to know.
https://fablesofaesop.com/the-boy-who-cried-wolf.html


 

[cyril sneer]

there's some old woman that roams around my partner's village with some sort of connection to the local hospital 

 

6 months ago she advised both parents not to get the vaccine because they had health problems

 

last week she came again advising them now to get it, and if they said no then they would be refused any future vaccines

 

parents said 'no' so now they think they are no longer eligible 

[johnmcc6]

6 minutes ago, Thaifly88 said:

It's time for the stick approach now. The carrot approach and explanations as to why people need to be vaccinated has run it's course. All those people are now vaccinated. The remaining recalcitrants need the proverbial stick applied applied to their nether regions to bring them into line with what the community expects of them. If they still choose not to be vaccinated it's absolutely time for ostracism. No access to any public areas including gyms, cinemas, shopping centres, condominiums. They can live like lepers outside the city areas and buy their food at designated roadside stalls. No further extensions to any type of visa's to the unvaccinated needs to be implemented ASAP.  

you would make one hellava dictator.

[connda]

25 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

The reported cases of temporally associated possible myocarditis/pericarditis were evaluated, many found to be an overestimate of the incidence. IF all the events WERE confirmed as likely vaccination complications the occurrence is 13.5 per million vaccine doses administered.

 

Meanwhile Viral infections are a common cause of acute myocarditis (inflammation of the heart).

Inflammation of the heart endothelial membrane can be caused by several conditions, including diabetes or metabolic syndrome, hypertension, smoking, and physical inactivity.

 

 

 

The point I wish to make here is that concentrating on and cherry picking the rarest of vaccine risk aspects as a reason to avoid a vaccine when the risks from the disease itself by far outweighs the vaccine risk is somewhat myopic, particularly when lifestyle choices weigh in as a far greater risk.

 

But new research is constantly surfacing.  As their are no long-term studies for the safety of mRNA vaccines, it will be literally years before the metadata shows causation.  In the meanwhile there is a full-court press to silence all but the 'officially accepted narrative."  Unfortunately, that is not how scientific inquiry works.

https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/abs/10.1161/circ.144.suppl_1.10712

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

For anyone (farang or Thai) who hasn't received any vaccine doses yet and is willing to be vaccinated with a mixed regimen Astra and Pfizer combo, this online registration via AIS is an easy route.

 

You don't have to be an AIS customer to use the website for registration. The website has a very good EN version with lots of clear supporting information and details. And you can live anywhere, as long as you're willing to come to BKK for the shots.

 

https://vaccineforthais.ais.th/Reserve/Login

 

The same website can also be used to register for a third booster dose of Astra for those who've already had two doses of either of the Sino vaxes.

 

 

 

[allanos]

In my simplistic world view in these plague-ridden times, published research and analysis from around the world, and taken at face value, purport to show that the vaccines, of whatever stripe, are effective in limiting the number of deaths and hospitalisations from a serious onset of the disease, although not eradicating transmission or infection.

 

For the time being, that's good enough for me.

[stephenterry]

23 minutes ago, Thaifly88 said:

It's time for the stick approach now. The carrot approach and explanations as to why people need to be vaccinated has run it's course. All those people are now vaccinated. The remaining recalcitrants need the proverbial stick applied applied to their nether regions to bring them into line with what the community expects of them. If they still choose not to be vaccinated it's absolutely time for ostracism. No access to any public areas including gyms, cinemas, shopping centres, condominiums. They can live like lepers outside the city areas and buy their food at designated roadside stalls. No further extensions to any type of visa's to the unvaccinated needs to be implemented ASAP.  

Total rubbish. Anyone can and does contract infection even those who have been vaxxed threefold.

Edited November 23, 2021 by onthedarkside
misinfo comments removed

[userabcd]

19 minutes ago, Thaifly88 said:

It's time for the stick approach now. The carrot approach and explanations as to why people need to be vaccinated has run it's course. All those people are now vaccinated. The remaining recalcitrants need the proverbial stick applied applied to their nether regions to bring them into line with what the community expects of them. If they still choose not to be vaccinated it's absolutely time for ostracism. No access to any public areas including gyms, cinemas, shopping centres, condominiums. They can live like lepers outside the city areas and buy their food at designated roadside stalls. No further extensions to any type of visa's to the unvaccinated needs to be implemented ASAP.  

Should rather be no further extensions to any types of visas for posters issuing their personal controlling diktats on others.