Germany locks down unvaccinated people, as leaders plan to make shots compulsory

[nobodysfriend]

12 minutes ago, Jeffr2 said:

You answered a troll question.  I'm guessing you're a covid denier?  Anti vaxxer?

The opposite . Covid exists and is an existential threat to humanity . Vaccinations do protect against becoming sick and death from it . Getting a vaccination is a good thing to do for the ones who do not want to become a burden to the hospital system and society .

I think , Vaccines should be made easily available in Thailand even to people who live in remote areas .

I live on an island near Takuapa , and there was no vaccine available in that region for a farang . Only my thai wife could get a sinovac shot at the local hospital .

I was offered a Pfizer shot in Phang Nga , but that would be a 300km round trip , and my driving license is expired . I asked them to notify me when a vaccination for a farang becomes available locally , but never got an answer ...

 

Edited December 3, 2021 by nobodysfriend

[Rimmer]

Some off topic posts and replies have been removed

[bkk6060]

Wow, what a country..

[BritManToo]

42 minutes ago, Dene16 said:

Tesco have now finally forced the issue this week by declaring that no one will be allowed in without a mask so that my ageing mother can shop in safety???? 

Wouldn't it be safer for your ageing mom to stay at home and you do the shopping for her?

Edited December 3, 2021 by BritManToo
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[thaibeachlovers]

5 hours ago, JaydenL said:

I believe this is a flawed logic. Citizenship determines that, and the right to vote and elect one's government depends on their citizenship. Not the vaccination status. As a result, governments serve their voters who elected them, and not those who are vaccinated and/or not.

I think that truth got lost to us many years ago. Seems to me the only thing they care about now is getting re elected. Statesmen are an extinct species now IMO. If they think mandating vaccines will get them votes I fully expect it to be brought in. Not that it'll concern me, but something so fundamental shouldn't be done just to get votes.

[Jeffr2]

25 minutes ago, nobodysfriend said:

The opposite . Covid exists and is an existential threat to humanity . Vaccinations do protect against becoming sick and death from it . Getting a vaccination is a good thing to do for the ones who do not want to become a burden to the hospital system and society .

I think , Vaccines should be made easily available in Thailand even to people who live in remote areas .

I live on an island near Takuapa , and there was no vaccine available in that region for a farang . Only my thai wife could get a sinovac shot at the local hospital .

I was offered a Pfizer shot in Phang Nga , but that would be a 300km round trip , and my driving license is expired . I asked them to notify me when a vaccination for a farang becomes available locally , but never got an answer ...

 

Getting a vaccine in your area seems to be hard. Congrats to your wife for getting one and best of luck getting yours. Hopefully. Very soon, there will be more available.

 

I ended flying to the US in June just to get a jab. But I travel extensively, so it was necessary.

 

Again, best of luck!

[Jeffr2]

4 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

I think that truth got lost to us many years ago. Seems to me the only thing they care about now is getting re elected. Statesmen are an extinct species now IMO. If they think mandating vaccines will get them votes I fully expect it to be brought in. Not that it'll concern me, but something so fundamental shouldn't be done just to get votes.

It's not about votes. It's about saving people's lives and ending this pandemic so economies can start getting back on track.

[thaibeachlovers]

31 minutes ago, nobodysfriend said:

Covid exists and is an existential threat to humanity .

Seriously? Google "death percentage from covid worldwide" and it tells me total cases are 264 million and deaths 5.23 million. Considering world population is about 8 billion that's hardly a threat to humanity, IMO.

[thaibeachlovers]

9 minutes ago, Jeffr2 said:

It's not about votes. It's about saving people's lives and ending this pandemic so economies can start getting back on track.

Perhaps politicians are different where you live.

 

BTW, do you actually think it's going to "end"? Nothing wrong with being optimistic I suppose.

I reckon it will be like the flu and booster shots annually. The flu isn't going away, and IMO corona isn't either.

Edited December 3, 2021 by thaibeachlovers

[Jeffr2]

2 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Perhaps politicians are different where you live.

 

BTW, do you actually think it's going to "end"? Nothing wrong with being optimistic I suppose.

It will end. And be like the Spanish flu, which is still around today, only not as deadly. Killing thousands every year still.

 

It will end quicker if more get vaccinated. And more stop spreading misinformation.

[thaibeachlovers]

2 minutes ago, Jeffr2 said:

It will end. And be like the Spanish flu, which is still around today, only not as deadly. Killing thousands every year still.

 

It will end quicker if more get vaccinated. And more stop spreading misinformation.

IMO a significant part of the 8 billion humans on earth will not be vaccinated ( too poor, live in poor countries etc ), but continue to move around the world to find work/ better life. Unless countries do more to stop illegal migration IMO it's just going to keep bringing in new infected cases and new variants. So how will it "end quicker"?

[ozimoron]

6 minutes ago, thvima said:

yes, just like you, it will end if you stop your useless ridiculous propaganda. Even in north korea they don't push as much as you do. you are ridiclous and you have lost the war anyway, millions will never vaccinate and avoid the troubles of a useless vaccine.

 

Millions will become dozens.

[Jeffr2]

9 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

IMO a significant part of the 8 billion humans on earth will not be vaccinated ( too poor, live in poor countries etc ), but continue to move around the world to find work/ better life. Unless countries do more to stop illegal migration IMO it's just going to keep bringing in new infected cases and new variants. So how will it "end quicker"?

Thailand did mass vaccinations in migrant camps here to stop the spread.

[Jeffr2]

4 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

Millions will become dozens.

Don't feed the troll, just report and let the mods deal with them.

[Dene16]

31 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

Wouldn't it be safer for your ageing mom to stay at home and you do the shopping for her?

Yes it would but it’s a long way to go from Thailand to the UK every week and works out very expensive.

Even whilst in the UK,It was hard enough to convince her to stop shopping for everyone  else (half her age) even before she was vaccinated. My mother is and always will be very independent. Still driving now at 84.
I only but wish she would listen to your own advice and let me do it
 

[Rimmer]

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[nobodysfriend]

33 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Seriously? Google "death percentage from covid worldwide" and it tells me total cases are 264 million and deaths 5.23 million. Considering world population is about 8 billion that's hardly a threat to humanity, IMO.

Yeah , right .

But , if that is the case , why all this excitement and lockdowns etc ... ? Just to avoid hospitalisations ? Or to remote control the population ?

Why not just continue ' normal living ' then ?

Who will die , will die ... sooner or later everybody will , anyway ...

[Chomper Higgot]

59 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

I think that truth got lost to us many years ago. Seems to me the only thing they care about now is getting re elected. Statesmen are an extinct species now IMO. If they think mandating vaccines will get them votes I fully expect it to be brought in. Not that it'll concern me, but something so fundamental shouldn't be done just to get votes.

Whereas, politicizing COVID, masks, social distancing, lockdowns and vaccines was not done to garner votes?

 

The one aims to protect health and life, the other aims to give COVID a free run (with predictable result).

 

 

Edited December 3, 2021 by Chomper Higgot

[thaibeachlovers]

1 minute ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Whereas, politicizing CIVID, masks, social distancing, lockdowns and vaccines was not done to garner votes?

Of course they were, IMO. Why would you think any different?

[thaibeachlovers]

11 minutes ago, nobodysfriend said:

Yeah , right .

But , if that is the case , why all this excitement and lockdowns etc ... ? Just to avoid hospitalisations ? Or to remote control the population ?

Why not just continue ' normal living ' then ?

Who will die , will die ... sooner or later everybody will , anyway ...

Some of us wanted to do exactly that, but we don't get a say.

Sweden had a go at it.

[Chomper Higgot]

3 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Of course they were, IMO. Why would you think any different?

So why are you so actively backing the side of the debate that directly increases illness and deaths?

[Chomper Higgot]

1 hour ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Seriously? Google "death percentage from covid worldwide" and it tells me total cases are 264 million and deaths 5.23 million. Considering world population is about 8 billion that's hardly a threat to humanity, IMO.

Perhaps a little more humanity is required.

 

5.23 million human beings, mothers, fathers, children, brothers, sisters, husbands wives.

 

5.23 million people who loved and were loved.

 

Go ahead, minimize this vast human suffering, doing so really does help your arguments.

 

Some ‘Humanity’ would be an improvement.

 

Edited December 3, 2021 by Chomper Higgot

[Danderman123]

6 hours ago, sungod said:

For those of us who are vaccinated, we want people to have the freedom of choice.

Freedom to infect others, you mean.

[nobodysfriend]

1 minute ago, Danderman123 said:

Freedom to infect others, you mean.

   There is no choice in that matter ... Vaccinated or not , both are infectious .

[Virt]

As for locking down certain activities for the unvaccined i say yes.

 

As for mandatory vaccines, i'm a bit divided.

My heart say no, my brain says yes.

The longer this pandemic runs, the more i lean towards mandatory vaccines, but off course it's not optimal if we start to force people into taking their shots.

So start making restrictions for the unvaccinated, and let's see how that goes.

 

The vaccines has been tested quite some time now, and the serious adverse effects are really rare,

and it's not like the vaccines stays for years in your body.

 

So i think it's safe to say the vaccines are safe compared to what covid throws at us.
 

https://theconversation.com/no-covid-vaccines-dont-stay-in-your-body-for-years-169247

 

"Covid vaccines show your body's natural defenses how to recognize and kill the virus, then they disappear. They don't stay with you, they don't change your DNA, and serious adverse effects from vaccination are extraordinarily rare"

[nobodysfriend]

1 minute ago, Virt said:

The longer this pandemic runs, the more i lean towards mandatory vaccines, but off course it's not optimal if we start to force people into taking their shots.

That raises another question ... :

What will be the consequences on the human immune system by regularly becoming exposed to booster shots ?

What is the effect of regularly being infected with the inactivated variant of Covid that is contained in the vaccines ? Nobody can tell ... yet .

[Chomper Higgot]

16 minutes ago, nobodysfriend said:

   There is no choice in that matter ... Vaccinated or not , both are infectious .

The unvaccinated very much more so.

[ozimoron]

8 minutes ago, nobodysfriend said:

That raises another question ... :

What will be the consequences on the human immune system by regularly becoming exposed to booster shots ?

What is the effect of regularly being infected with the inactivated variant of Covid that is contained in the vaccines ? Nobody can tell ... yet .

A speculative hypothetical based on no data at all, let alone any published theory by any scientific expert. Aka FUD.

Edited December 3, 2021 by ozimoron

[Chomper Higgot]

7 minutes ago, nobodysfriend said:

That raises another question ... :

What will be the consequences on the human immune system by regularly becoming exposed to booster shots ?

What is the effect of regularly being infected with the inactivated variant of Covid that is contained in the vaccines ? Nobody can tell ... yet .

Dreaming up more bogeymen outcomes as we go.

[Bkk Brian]

10 minutes ago, nobodysfriend said:

That raises another question ... :

What will be the consequences on the human immune system by regularly becoming exposed to booster shots ?

What is the effect of regularly being infected with the inactivated variant of Covid that is contained in the vaccines ? Nobody can tell ... yet .

Its being done for years with the yearly flu shots.