Getting back from NongKhai to BKK

[vinny41]

3 minutes ago, JBChiangRai said:

 

I sent lots of messages on facebook over the last 4 days, including MG HQ who said they have no more stock.  They all replied either with "only have X model" or asked my phone/line only to try and switch and bait because they have no more D model.

 

I prefer the MG4 it's a much more modern design with a lifetime battery warranty and I think buying one under a year old might be the best option.

 

I also have to be careful because we will have World War 3 in my household if I buy anything too nice.  MG4 X model would be ok providing it doesn't have body kit and upgraded alloy wheels.

 

 

IMHO, the moment a manufacturer discounts a car, all the used ones take an immediate hit.  Tents get stuck with cars that owe them too much.

 

The Chinese understand the model of buying market share.  We have seen them do it with air conditioners and other electrical goods.  If you price them similar to existing brands then people won't buy them.  I think the lowered prices are the new reality.

The problem I see is for cars with finance

The finance companies have a lending risk model based on total price of car %down payment and monthly repayments over X number of years and they insist on 1st class insurance while the car is subject to finance and that lending risk model is base on traditionally the car value is reduced only by 10% per year and if the car is written off they will see a large  return of the  loan amount or if the car is  repossessed they can sell on used market and get a large return of the loan amount

Using the 30% model must mean that finance companies will insist on larger downpayments shorter loan period and higher monthly installments

[JBChiangRai]

13 minutes ago, vinny41 said:

The problem I see is for cars with finance

The finance companies have a lending risk model based on total price of car %down payment and monthly repayments over X number of years and they insist on 1st class insurance while the car is subject to finance and that lending risk model is base on traditionally the car value is reduced only by 10% per year and if the car is written off they will see a large  return of the  loan amount or if the car is  repossessed they can sell on used market and get a large return of the loan amount

Using the 30% model must mean that finance companies will insist on larger downpayments shorter loan period and higher monthly installments

 

It would be nice to see gap insurance in Thailand, but it would just result in fraud.

[JBChiangRai]

I’ve always said Musk makes decisions on emotion often with appalling consequences.

 

He had a very public spat with the head of the company that licensed LIDAR to Tesla when he refused to drop the price and he said FU we’ll go camera based.

 

I always thought he was going down a blind alley and at some point legislation would make him backtrack. I do think that is coming, it will only take one death that could have been avoided.

 

Apparently it’s coming to a head with his robotaxi. I read the below this morning.

 

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Several AI and autonomous vehicle experts told InsideEVs that Tesla's technical approach to its self-driving cars is flawed. Tesla only uses cameras and AI on the Robotaxi whereas rivals like Waymo use a more comprehensive sensor suite including radar and LIDAR

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[Pib]

2 hours ago, JBChiangRai said:

I’ve always said Musk makes decisions on emotion often with appalling consequences.

 

He had a very public spat with the head of the company that licensed LIDAR to Tesla when he refused to drop the price and he said FU we’ll go camera based.

 

I always thought he was going down a blind alley and at some point legislation would make him backtrack. I do think that is coming, it will only take one death that could have been avoided.

 

Apparently it’s coming to a head with his robotaxi. I read the below this morning.

 

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Several AI and autonomous vehicle experts told InsideEVs that Tesla's technical approach to its self-driving cars is flawed. Tesla only uses cameras and AI on the Robotaxi whereas rivals like Waymo use a more comprehensive sensor suite including radar and LIDAR

UNQUOTE.

 

 Musk's robotaxi didn't impress investor's on 11 Oct 2034.

 

https://www.cnbc.com/2024/10/11/tesla-tsla-stock-drops-in-premarket-after-cybercab-robotaxi-reveal.html

Tesla shares drop 9% after Cybercab robotaxi reveal ‘underwhelmed’ investors

Tesla shares closed down nearly 9% on Friday after the electric vehicle company’s long-awaited robotaxi event failed to impress investors.

 

[KhunLA]

Not a status symbol, or 'look at me, I'm rich', just practical money management & enjoying like.

 

Wife & friend @ RTAF Wing 5, coming back from surfside vendors.   The Fomm One, local-sh neighbor having since they were released.  Always spotlessly clean.

 

Few more neighbors have Atto 3s, a MG ZS, MG4, and a couple Haval H6s.  Couple also supplementing their PEA with solar 👍

 

Quite surprising, since all within 500 meters of the house (except Wing 5), and all of 50-75 households, as live kind of rural.  One guy surfside has a Tesla.

 

 

Edited Sunday at 06:55 AM by KhunLA

[KhunLA]

 

 

[KhunLA]

 

[phetphet]

I know more and more charging stations are coming online every day, but I was thinking;

Say the world goes 100% electric vehicle. No ICE at all. At the moment it takes say around  2-6 minutes to fill a car with petrol, then it drives off and the next one takes it's place at the pump. 

 

Even allowing that many cars will be able to charge at home, and that level 3 fast chargers can reduce the charge time, it will still take far longer to charge a car to say 80% capacity than an ICE. I think some of the fastest are approx 34 mins to 80%.

 

So even if you replaced for example 20 petrol pumps in every gas station with 100 EV charging points, would it even be enough capacity at quieter times, let alone peak times such as holiday getaways.

 

I am not knocking EV's here, it was just something i was thinking about.

Things seem pretty balanced out at the moment. but apart from having to build far more charging stations than gas pumps, am I missing something?

Because the longer time to charge must create a logjam somewhere once the number of EVs gets to a certain point.

 

[JBChiangRai]

7 minutes ago, phetphet said:

I know more and more charging stations are coming online every day, but I was thinking;

Say the world goes 100% electric vehicle. No ICE at all. At the moment it takes say around  2-6 minutes to fill a car with petrol, then it drives off and the next one takes it's place at the pump. 

 

Even allowing that many cars will be able to charge at home, and that level 3 fast chargers can reduce the charge time, it will still take far longer to charge a car to say 80% capacity than an ICE. I think some of the fastest are approx 34 mins to 80%.

 

So even if you replaced for example 20 petrol pumps in every gas station with 100 EV charging points, would it even be enough capacity at quieter times, let alone peak times such as holiday getaways.

 

I am not knocking EV's here, it was just something i was thinking about.

Things seem pretty balanced out at the moment. but apart from having to build far more charging stations than gas pumps, am I missing something?

Because the longer time to charge must create a logjam somewhere once the number of EVs gets to a certain point.

 

On the face of it, that’s a very valid concern.

 

The reality is most owners of EV’s will never use a charging station.

 

I’ve had EV’s for five years and I’ve used a charging station en-route once because I needed to, I was there for 12 minutes only and a few times because charging was free thanks to BYD.

 

Unless I travel more than 400 km I will never need to use a charging station.

 

 

[Pib]

Yeap....for those folks who have wall chargers and not doing daily trips exceeding the range of their EV (which is probably going to be at least 300Km...and a lot more for many EVs and newer EV coming out) there is no need to use a DC Fast Charger.   

 

Since I got my BYD Atto EV almost one year ago I've only needed to use a DC Fast Charger on a western Bangkok to Ban Chang/Pattaya round trip where I added 25% charge over 20 minutes at Pattaya to ensure I had enough battery charge to get back to Bangkok.  This was my first long trip with my EV.  And as it turns out if I had "not" add that extra 25% charge I would have still made it back to my western Bangkok home with about 5% charge left.

 

But I have used DC Fast Chargers to just ensure the 6 charging network/app I registered with really works...or like I doing right now since 1 Aug in getting "free electrons" at BYD ReverSharger DC chargers thru 2 Jan 2025....haven't used my wall charger since early August.  But come 3 Jan 2025 when the current free electrons promotion ends I will once again only be using  my home wall charger except when I need to make a long trip that exceeds my Atto's range (a real world range of around 375-400Km at above 90KmH highway speeds...but around 420-440Km at lower speeds).

[Yellowtail]

Once all cars are EV it would make more sense to just have pickups in the road like bumper-cars such that the car is powered (and charged) on the road and only uses batteries on small roads. 

 

Then you could run trucks, busses and taxies and whatnot 24/7