ICE vs EV, the debate thread

[KhunLA]

1 hour ago, Pib said:

I don't expect the leap from the typical  120KW or 150KW DC charger in Thailand to 1000KW (1MW) chargers like starting to be be installed in China (such as five hundred 1MW chargers in Apr 2025...see link below) to occur anytime soon in Thailand.   inutes.

We don't even need more than 76kw, as that is what our car will accept.   Charged 4X while O&A recently, from 22% - 67% when plugging in, and car was back to 90-95% before we were done, doing what ever needed to be done, while at the charging station.

 

From 3 of us using the toilet, to a meal, or just a simple P, coffee & pastry.

 

Might be different if we could actually drive somewhere, anywhere at 100+ kph, but since we average ~80 kph, if lucky, the 3+ hrs is more time than I want to spend in the car.  We average only 70 kph, so that's 4+ hrs before actually needing to charge, and still have a nice reserve, at 20%.

 

We're lucky if we make 2 hrs, before one of us needs a break for what ever reason.   And if having kids, good luck with that.

 

Nice that the tech is available, but I really doubt that most need.   Or willing to pay extra for, until it's standard, then will rarely be used, except long weekend in TH, when Qs are at the CS, or so I read.

[Fruit Trader]

12 hours ago, GroveHillWanderer said:

BYD’s new EV flash chargers are as fast as petrol pumps – here’s when they’re arriving in the UK

 

https://www.independent.co.uk/cars/electric-vehicles/byd-electric-car-fast-flash-charging-b2768732.html

 

Got to love the journalists enthusiasm. I can't wait to see this large scale entry into megawatt territory.
 

[JBChiangRai]

It’s a case of supply & demand.

 

Right now, Zero demand but that will change as cars with the capability hit the market.

 

Right now I think about what I would replace my BYD Seal with, there’s currently nothing I fancy other than an MG Cyberster.

 

A Seal Plaid would hit the spot, otherwise I’m waiting for Merc S-Class/BMW 7 series Chinese EV alternatives.

 

I definitely appprove of megawatt level charging, a speed increase is needed.

[Fruit Trader]

1 hour ago, JBChiangRai said:

I definitely appprove of megawatt level charging, a speed increase is needed.

 

Megawatt charging is easy when you have a state owned UHV AC-DC grid and state subsidised charging infrastructure.

[josephbloggs]

3 minutes ago, Fruit Trader said:

 

Megawatt charging is easy when you have a state owned UHV AC-DC grid and state subsidised charging infrastructure.

You do know how big the grant was that Tesla was given towards their supercharger network in the US, right?

[Fruit Trader]

3 minutes ago, josephbloggs said:

You do know how big the grant was that Tesla was given towards their supercharger network in the US, right?

No

[Purdey]

Maybe EV manufacturers could add a comparison meter to the dashboard showing how many liters of fuel they would have used in an ICE vehicle. I think it is only when people can see the savings easily will they convince their friends.

 

[KhunLA]

3 minutes ago, Purdey said:

Maybe EV manufacturers could add a comparison meter to the dashboard showing how many liters of fuel they would have used in an ICE vehicle. I think it is only when people can see the savings easily will they convince their friends.

I posted that, the savings more than a few times, and quite easy to figure out.   Especially since we owned both versions of our present car, MG ZS.

 

Petrol version got 14 kpL (using 91), so simply compare that to a full charge on our BEV version.

 

Highway at speed limit of 90 kph +/- and we're good for ~340 kms on full charge.

Local mixed driving, 30-60-90 kph, and we're good for ~360 kms on full charge.

 

Strangely, the WLTP rating is 320 kms range (NEDC 403 🙄)

 

46.3kWh usable of 50.3kWh battery, @ ฿5 per kWh at home charging equals:

BEV - 340 kms cost ฿232 (46.3 x ฿5)

ICEV - 340 ÷ 14 = 28.28 L X ฿33.28 = ฿941

 

941 ÷ 232 = 4X more expensive to drive a petrol MG ZS

 

https://www.bangchak.co.th/en/oilprice