Yellowtail Posted April 24 Share Posted April 24 18 minutes ago, Pogust said: Conversation with people who really know the facts around EVs and Hydrogen vehicles. Possibilities and limits. Take the time to listen. Would you please provide a summary? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yellowtail Posted April 24 Share Posted April 24 1 minute ago, JBChiangRai said: Sorry but I would need a synopsis, I am not watching 1 hour 40 minutes. Synopsis is a much better choice of words... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pogust Posted April 24 Share Posted April 24 Dreams contra reality. Calculations how much material would be needed to fulfil those electric dreams. And how much material there is available. Anything those 4 persons say is worth listening to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dhupverg Posted April 24 Share Posted April 24 (edited) Interesting to hear about Tesla and why their profits were down. "Tesla profits drop 55%, company says EV sales ‘under pressure’ from hybrids" "“The EV adoption rate globally is under pressure and a lot of other auto manufacturers are pulling back on EVs and pursuing plug in hybrids instead,” https://techcrunch.com/2024/04/23/tesla-profits-drop-55-company-says-ev-sales-under-pressure-from-hybrids/?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly9uZXdzLmdvb2dsZS5jb20v&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAKMkJvVQllV6pq8pqUPzWu5Ael96S7EEum-pfjem38gCqcCZIh5CEOrgKLsDJL8OE2dbMt7tqQvmIKcFt9ytEoEUJh40illH_z0dTp4pXs97gLTl7ns3zG03xtNKjUqk2OWBob3eELrBgD5Tl4Hm5TqTW_jJd-T26GPlUaEFJsRE Edited April 24 by dhupverg 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transam Posted April 24 Share Posted April 24 3 minutes ago, dhupverg said: Interesting to hear about Tesla and why their profits were down. "Tesla profits drop 55%, company says EV sales ‘under pressure’ from hybrids" "“The EV adoption rate globally is under pressure and a lot of other auto manufacturers are pulling back on EVs and pursuing plug in hybrids instead,” https://techcrunch.com/2024/04/23/tesla-profits-drop-55-company-says-ev-sales-under-pressure-from-hybrids/?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly9uZXdzLmdvb2dsZS5jb20v&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAKMkJvVQllV6pq8pqUPzWu5Ael96S7EEum-pfjem38gCqcCZIh5CEOrgKLsDJL8OE2dbMt7tqQvmIKcFt9ytEoEUJh40illH_z0dTp4pXs97gLTl7ns3zG03xtNKjUqk2OWBob3eELrBgD5Tl4Hm5TqTW_jJd-T26GPlUaEFJsRE Hybrids, best of both words, don't get stranded, you know it makes sense.......😋 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yellowtail Posted April 24 Share Posted April 24 All the really smart people are waiting for BYD to buy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GroveHillWanderer Posted April 24 Share Posted April 24 More promising battery development news - "zero-degradation" grid storage batteries. CATL Claims New Grid Battery Will Experience No Degradation In First Five Years OK, this is not being implemented in EV batteries just yet but if the principle behind it has been worked out, I dare say it will make its way into EV batteries eventually. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yellowtail Posted April 25 Share Posted April 25 18 hours ago, GroveHillWanderer said: More promising battery development news - "zero-degradation" grid storage batteries. CATL Claims New Grid Battery Will Experience No Degradation In First Five Years OK, this is not being implemented in EV batteries just yet but if the principle behind it has been worked out, I dare say it will make its way into EV batteries eventually. How many have they sold, and how much are they? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GroveHillWanderer Posted April 25 Share Posted April 25 9 hours ago, Yellowtail said: How many have they sold, and how much are they? According to the article, CATL only just announced availability on April 9th so my take would be a) not very many and b) not disclosed. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KhunLA Posted Wednesday at 01:31 AM Author Share Posted Wednesday at 01:31 AM They really say anything now to disparage EVs ... too funny 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KhunLA Posted Wednesday at 04:33 AM Author Share Posted Wednesday at 04:33 AM (edited) Maybe this would make them happy, and give Tesla & EVs a good review ... Edited Wednesday at 04:33 AM by KhunLA 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KhunLA Posted Wednesday at 07:36 AM Author Share Posted Wednesday at 07:36 AM (edited) Another day, more petrol price increases, more saving owning an EV Knocking on ฿40 a liter 😲 Edited Wednesday at 07:37 AM by KhunLA 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yellowtail Posted Wednesday at 10:15 AM Share Posted Wednesday at 10:15 AM 2 hours ago, KhunLA said: Another day, more petrol price increases, more saving owning an EV Knocking on ฿40 a liter 😲 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
liddelljohn Posted Thursday at 04:09 PM Share Posted Thursday at 04:09 PM The EV fanatics and Groans all bang on that Hydrogen is expensive and difficult to store and all that , but The big Oil companies and other energy companies including Nuclear, wind and solar are pouring Billions into solving the Hydrogen engineering ,production and storage issue in conjuntion with the vehicle manufactures and designers ,, along side compatible synthetic fuels the ICE engine will not die .... Its the massive elephant in the room ,, and the EV, fanatics, Groans, Politicians and vested interest know it and hate it ,,, but they are wrong ha ha The HYSE ICE hydrogen engine developed by Yamaha/Toyota is going into full production and has been licensed by others in The consortium including Honda, Stellantis,Kawasaki, Suzuki, Komatsu, Kubota Isuzu,Ford and Mazda ,2,4 & V8 variants for car M/c, bus etc . JCB already has its equivalent engine in production and others are in development or licensing negotiations with other heavy vehicle makers , and some of the big EV companies are also in on it Caterpiller are working on their version too so the end of EVs is coming 4 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HighPriority Posted Thursday at 11:33 PM Share Posted Thursday at 11:33 PM 7 hours ago, liddelljohn said: The EV fanatics and Groans all bang on that Hydrogen is expensive and difficult to store and all that , but The big Oil companies and other energy companies including Nuclear, wind and solar are pouring Billions into solving the Hydrogen engineering ,production and storage issue in conjuntion with the vehicle manufactures and designers ,, along side compatible synthetic fuels the ICE engine will not die .... Its the massive elephant in the room ,, and the EV, fanatics, Groans, Politicians and vested interest know it and hate it ,,, but they are wrong ha ha The HYSE ICE hydrogen engine developed by Yamaha/Toyota is going into full production and has been licensed by others in The consortium including Honda, Stellantis,Kawasaki, Suzuki, Komatsu, Kubota Isuzu,Ford and Mazda ,2,4 & V8 variants for car M/c, bus etc . JCB already has its equivalent engine in production and others are in development or licensing negotiations with other heavy vehicle makers , and some of the big EV companies are also in on it Caterpiller are working on their version too so the end of EVs is coming Sounds fantastic, do you have a link so I can break out the lube too ? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post JBChiangRai Posted yesterday at 01:11 AM Popular Post Share Posted yesterday at 01:11 AM 8 hours ago, liddelljohn said: The EV fanatics and Groans all bang on that Hydrogen is expensive and difficult to store and all that , but The big Oil companies and other energy companies including Nuclear, wind and solar are pouring Billions into solving the Hydrogen engineering ,production and storage issue in conjuntion with the vehicle manufactures and designers ,, along side compatible synthetic fuels the ICE engine will not die .... Its the massive elephant in the room ,, and the EV, fanatics, Groans, Politicians and vested interest know it and hate it ,,, but they are wrong ha ha The HYSE ICE hydrogen engine developed by Yamaha/Toyota is going into full production and has been licensed by others in The consortium including Honda, Stellantis,Kawasaki, Suzuki, Komatsu, Kubota Isuzu,Ford and Mazda ,2,4 & V8 variants for car M/c, bus etc . JCB already has its equivalent engine in production and others are in development or licensing negotiations with other heavy vehicle makers , and some of the big EV companies are also in on it Caterpiller are working on their version too so the end of EVs is coming Let’s take some of your points… pouring Billions into solving the Hydrogen engineering ,production and storage issue in conjuntion with the vehicle manufactures and designers Yes, they are, but and it’s a big BUT, green hydrogen is considered the future https://www.mckinsey.com/industries/oil-and-gas/our-insights/global-energy-perspective-2023-hydrogen-outlook and for long distance haulage and public service type infrastructure only. To make green hydrogen you start with green electricity, a third of it is wasted producing oxygen and there are more losses involved and ultimately to end up with electricity again forom you fuel cell or you run a H2 ICE which we have already engineered over the last 120 years to its wonderful 25% efficiency. No number of billions invested is ever going to change that. So, yes you are going to see H2 vehicles mostly in the sectors I have described but also perhaps in countries with little electricity infrastructure (quite how they will develop a H2 infrastructure is beyond me). But the end of EV’s is not coming, we at the dawn of EV adoption and it’s only going to accelerate. We will have some H2 alongside EV’s but market dynamics regarding cost and availability will take care of the rest. When I am faced with a H2 car that costs 5 times more per km and is likely slower than a similar EV, my choice as a consumer will be self evident. But please feel welcome to buy your H2 car, ha ha as you said. 3 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Gweiloman Posted yesterday at 02:17 AM Popular Post Share Posted yesterday at 02:17 AM 9 hours ago, liddelljohn said: The EV fanatics and Groans all bang on that Hydrogen is expensive and difficult to store and all that , but The big Oil companies and other energy companies including Nuclear, wind and solar are pouring Billions into solving the Hydrogen engineering ,production and storage issue in conjuntion with the vehicle manufactures and designers ,, along side compatible synthetic fuels the ICE engine will not die .... Its the massive elephant in the room ,, and the EV, fanatics, Groans, Politicians and vested interest know it and hate it ,,, but they are wrong ha ha The HYSE ICE hydrogen engine developed by Yamaha/Toyota is going into full production and has been licensed by others in The consortium including Honda, Stellantis,Kawasaki, Suzuki, Komatsu, Kubota Isuzu,Ford and Mazda ,2,4 & V8 variants for car M/c, bus etc . JCB already has its equivalent engine in production and others are in development or licensing negotiations with other heavy vehicle makers , and some of the big EV companies are also in on it Caterpiller are working on their version too so the end of EVs is coming You might well be right but I was reading that Shell recently closed some hydrogen filling stations in California I believe? And that some Toyota Mirai owners are suing Toyota for selling them a car that can’t work (as there is nowhere for them to fill it up). By the way, what are Groans? And why are EV owners fanatics? I own an EV mainly because it only costs me about Thb200 to drive 400+ kms (less if I’m able to charge using my solar setup) as compared to over Thb 600 for my Mazda 2. On top of that, I save money on consumables like engine oil, oil filters, servicing etc. Looking forward to hearing your further views about EVs. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Pib Posted yesterday at 02:19 AM Popular Post Share Posted yesterday at 02:19 AM 10 hours ago, liddelljohn said: The EV fanatics and Groans all bang on that Hydrogen is expensive and difficult to store and all that , but The big Oil companies and other energy companies including Nuclear, wind and solar are pouring Billions into solving the Hydrogen engineering ,production and storage issue in conjuntion with the vehicle manufactures and designers ,, along side compatible synthetic fuels the ICE engine will not die .... Its the massive elephant in the room ,, and the EV, fanatics, Groans, Politicians and vested interest know it and hate it ,,, but they are wrong ha ha The HYSE ICE hydrogen engine developed by Yamaha/Toyota is going into full production and has been licensed by others in The consortium including Honda, Stellantis,Kawasaki, Suzuki, Komatsu, Kubota Isuzu,Ford and Mazda ,2,4 & V8 variants for car M/c, bus etc . JCB already has its equivalent engine in production and others are in development or licensing negotiations with other heavy vehicle makers , and some of the big EV companies are also in on it Caterpiller are working on their version too so the end of EVs is coming Above post has received the Toyota seal of approval for more promises of cheap & efficient hydrogen-powered vehicles for the masses being just around the corner....just hang on a little longer...in the interim please continue to buy Toyota ICEV. 1 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KhunLA Posted yesterday at 04:04 AM Author Share Posted yesterday at 04:04 AM 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pib Posted yesterday at 04:47 AM Share Posted yesterday at 04:47 AM 34 minutes ago, KhunLA said: Yea...the explosion clearly shows it coming from the rear-end of the car...the trunk area of the car. And when I saw that I immediately thought that's a CNG cylinder exploding; not an EV which has its traction battery on the middle bottom portion of a car. Plus, an exploding EV traction battery would include plenty of flames...sustained flames...but no flames in this video...not even a brief amount of flames. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Gweiloman Posted 10 hours ago Share Posted 10 hours ago 1 hour ago, JetsetBkk said: I haven’t watched the video but I’m wondering why you would link it in this topic. Are you not aware that LFP batteries don’t contain cobalt? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post KhunLA Posted 10 hours ago Author Popular Post Share Posted 10 hours ago (edited) 1 hour ago, JetsetBkk said: Stated already, newer BEV don't need cobalt, and like ours, are using LFP chemistry. Your phone, laptop and other battery operated electronics are probably still using though. Hypocrisy - the practice of claiming to have moral standards or beliefs to which one's own behavior does not conform. Edited 10 hours ago by KhunLA 1 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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